One thing I don't understand is why can't Cumulus be current at least during prime listening hours? It may be different on Q-100 but on KKWD and other Cumulus stations I've heard there is absolutely no difference in their playlist with the time of day, period. If they don't want to play anything recent the rest of the day more power to them, but during the afternoon drive I don't want to listen to the most overplayed hits of 2008 and 2009. That way they could get the 'At Work' listeners during the day but actually sound good for the drive home.
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Cumulus CHR's are the worst I've ever heard
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jason1589 said:
It's also DOWN 20 SPINS to Medium Rotation on Power 96.1 - It obviously doesn't test as well in Atlanta
Ok, let's accept that it might not test well in Atlanta (which is highly unlikely since it is at no1 and it tests well everywhere), what about all the other Cumulus stations in other markets? Just because a song might not test weel in Atlanta it is not good for Houston, Dallas, Kansas City etc. either?
Thank god a few ex-Citadel stations are a little quicker and flexible. Especially KKMG in Colorado.
Thank god a few ex-Citadel stations are a little quicker and flexible. Especially KKMG in Colorado.
^Again, it would've been nice if about 10 more stations, most owned by CBS, had been more flexible and progressive, and then "Ho Hey" and "Some Nights" would've hit #1
Those songs tested well everywhere, so I guess CBS must've been crazy...
Thank God most stations aren't programmed by CBS - and are quicker and more flexible than the stale CBS stations
Those songs tested well everywhere, so I guess CBS must've been crazy...
Thank God most stations aren't programmed by CBS - and are quicker and more flexible than the stale CBS stations
Cumulus is quicker than CBS?
LMAO
LMAO
We could see the same for the screwjob Cumulus gave to "Thrift Shop" and "Empire State of Mind". CBS owns far less stations to block pop-rock songs than Cumulus has owned to screw over rhythmics throughout the years.atlantaboy said:
Thank God Clear Channel actually programs decent CHRs (minus Power, which sounds bad) that balance rhythmic, bubblegum, and pop-rock.
Come on please. CBS' CHRs are great. My local CBS CHR WDZH had Ho Hey and Some Nights in power for many weeks. Just because AMP in LA did not put Some Nights in power does mean that it screwed up the song on the charts. They even have Wanted by Hunter Hayes right now in power and Little Talks is at no7. CBS' playlist vary a lot from station to station.
jason1589 said:
...is getting destroyed and likely to change formats this year unless the incompetent programming department is replaced.
Wow! Now that's digging deep for Cumulus! That's actually one of my favorites from that band, but I agree that it did not do well. If it didn't do all that well then, why would any station think that audience would remember/want to hear that song now?wxman76 said:
Jan must like it.
Cumulus has always had this fascination with MB20 and Rob Thomas, more than any other group. Jan sure couldn't wait to add "She's So Mean" to CHR. I like the song, but we see where that went...
Cumulus has always had this fascination with MB20 and Rob Thomas, more than any other group. Jan sure couldn't wait to add "She's So Mean" to CHR. I like the song, but we see where that went...
carolinaradio said:
Do you all really believe that he programs his stations based on his own musical taste? I just couldn't imagine that anyone would be that stupid
I'm assuming the Cumulus stations playing, say, "Disease" by Matchbox 20 are doing so during the workday, when they function as Hot ACs - would you have a problem with Hot ACs playing that song?
In the case of Jan it really does sometime feel like stations play what he wants
Some of the MB20 songs weren't that big on Hot AC, Modern AC, or Rock radio yet still end up almost exclusively on the playlists of Cumulus CHRs
He was a better CHR prorammer in the 80s when he was the PD at WLS-FM Chicago, and Hot Hits 106 Baltimore, but then he did some weird things at 94 Q Atlanta. He made it an Adult friendly station by day....and a Smooth Jazz station at night!!!
I'm curious though Atlantaboy why do you mainly post on the CHR/Pop board when you're clearly more of a Rock fan?
You're passionate about Triple A radio, Modern Rock, and Modern AC stations.
Are you a fan of any Dance stations? Rhythmic stations? Hip Hop stations? CHR/Pop stations that don't lean Rock?
Would you prefer to listen to Star 94 Atlanta or 102.7 KIIS-FM Los Angeles? 95.5 PLJ New York or 93.3 FLZ Tampa?
Also, what are your current Top 10/20 favorite records at the moment?
Some of the MB20 songs weren't that big on Hot AC, Modern AC, or Rock radio yet still end up almost exclusively on the playlists of Cumulus CHRs
He was a better CHR prorammer in the 80s when he was the PD at WLS-FM Chicago, and Hot Hits 106 Baltimore, but then he did some weird things at 94 Q Atlanta. He made it an Adult friendly station by day....and a Smooth Jazz station at night!!!
I'm curious though Atlantaboy why do you mainly post on the CHR/Pop board when you're clearly more of a Rock fan?
You're passionate about Triple A radio, Modern Rock, and Modern AC stations.
Are you a fan of any Dance stations? Rhythmic stations? Hip Hop stations? CHR/Pop stations that don't lean Rock?
Would you prefer to listen to Star 94 Atlanta or 102.7 KIIS-FM Los Angeles? 95.5 PLJ New York or 93.3 FLZ Tampa?
Also, what are your current Top 10/20 favorite records at the moment?
CHRles said:
No, I'm one of the few people who post in this forum that actually listen to CHR/Pop - most people (including you) like Dance, Rhythmic, Hip-Hop, and that's it
Look at all the threads people start for "CHR songs" - nearly every single one is for a Dance/Rhythmic track - and we have people like you explaining your love for songs by posting "This is my Jam!!!" :
If a song is "your Jam," then jam on over to the Rhythmic station...
Not every market has a rhythmic station these days, most don't (outside of most large markets). Those rhythmic/dance songs are hits and the CHR stations are the only place to hear them. Just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean there is anything wrong with other people liking them. They're hits on the CHR format so they're going to be discussed here. That's the point of the board.
Rhythmic/dance is as big (well, bigger) of a part of CHR than rock at the moment - but, it's ok to discuss rock tracks here, but not rhythmic, I'd guess?
Again, not everybody shares your tastes. Why are you always so combative?
Rhythmic/dance is as big (well, bigger) of a part of CHR than rock at the moment - but, it's ok to discuss rock tracks here, but not rhythmic, I'd guess?
Again, not everybody shares your tastes. Why are you always so combative?
He has his biases, but we all do, so he's more than welcome to post on these threads. After all, CHR encompasses just about everything, so I'd say anyone who at least cares somewhat for the format, or at least about how to run one if you don't like the format, should post here. I'd have a different opinion of it if he said, "All this pop radio is crap, take it all off. Stupid whippersnappers" or other nonsense complaining about how he just hates the format and that's it.
Back on topic, I wouldn't expect even a Hot AC to play this track and I'd even advise most to stay away from it, as the Hot AC/CHR crowd doesn't tend to listen to "deep" (in the CHR/Hot AC sense) cuts. Even Hot ACs won't play many songs over five years old unless they were a BIG hit on Hot AC (Say, a #1 or #2 single) or had a large impact on another chart or were a breakout hit for a star (Think, "Yeah!" by Usher or "No Such Thing" by John Mayer). "Disease" wasn't a memorable song, unless you happen to like Matchbox 20, so I'm baffled that a Cumulus station would even play it on Hot AC, let alone CHR. (If I was listening, I'd crank the volume, but my tastes represent a very small sample) If Cumulus wants to stick by Matchbox 20 on Hot AC, I'd think they'd be better off playing "Unwell", "How Far We've Come", or the new stuff (at least for now, I expect to never hear anything from North again in a year or two), though older-leaning Hot ACs could/are play/playing tracks like "Real World", "3 A.M", and "Bent".atlantaboy said:
carolinaradio said:
Hmmm...dance music is about 30% of the CHR chart right now, yet YOU and others act like dance music and pop music are synonyms :
- and 90% of the threads in this forum are about dance tracks, or mixshows, or people's favorite "Jam"And lol I don't remember saying I don't like them - it's just that you, in particular, have absolutely no clue what pop music is about, since you automatically diminish anything that can't be danced along with
The "point of this board" is to discuss all types of CHR music equally, but instead you and others (especially you) have turned it in to one long thread about how dance music is better than any other type, and how the more dance tracks stations play, the better they are - Cumulus doesn't load up on dance music, so you've created a 28-page thread on how awful they are
Your personal taste in music represents about 5% of the population - wake up and get with it
atlantaboy said:carolinaradio said:
Hmmm...dance music is about 30% of the CHR chart right now, yet YOU and others act like dance music and pop music are synonyms :
And lol I don't remember saying I don't like them - it's just that you, in particular, have absolutely no clue what pop music is about, since you automatically diminish anything that can't be danced along with
The "point of this board" is to discuss all types of CHR music equally, but instead you and others (especially you) have turned it in to one long thread about how dance music is better than any other type, and how the more dance tracks stations play, the better they are - Cumulus doesn't load up on dance music, so you've created a 28-page thread on how awful they are
Your personal taste in music represents about 5% of the population - wake up and get with it
I definitely understand having a pop/rock preference over dance/rhythmic. CHR today though still has a rhythmic lean. Is not as much as it was a couple of years ago but it's still there. Cumulus handles rhythmic horribly. They neglect recent stuff yet they keep playing stuff from several years ago that hasn't aged well. As for pop/rock, Cumulus destroyed one of the best rock-leaning CHRs in the country, Alice 107.7.
It would not surprise me if Jan Jeffries simply programs the stations according to his own musical taste. There is simply no logic in the way he programs them. Out of all the companies and independents doing CHR Jan's formula is completely unique but inferior.
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