jason1589 said:
I hope this song falls flat in it's face
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Cumulus CHR's are the worst I've ever heard
- Thread starter bchristi
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I hope this song falls flat in it's face
^I mean, whatever works for them - Q100 is winning, against Power and against Star
It's no different than WKTU or KAMP refusing to support high charting, and even #1, pop/rock tracks
It's no different than WKTU or KAMP refusing to support high charting, and even #1, pop/rock tracks
jason1589 said:KAMP and all CBS CHRs have never ignored like this songs that have broken the spin record on Mediabase.
KAMP wouldn't play Pink when "Perfect" was #1 on the CHR chart, and the CBS CHRs prevented "Ho Hey" and "Some Nights" from hitting #1
Look at the Atlanta ratings - Q100 is up 4.6-5.1, while Power is down 3.7-3.5
Whatever we may think of it personally, restricting Macklemore to evenings was the right decision - I think that if any other company owned Q100, they'd probably have it classified as Hot AC - I feel like your frustration comes from the fact that they're probably reporting to the wrong panel - but that's not a clear call either IMO because they skip songs that hit #1 on the HAC chart
"CUMULUS has decided to take a page from its Country operations, and has moved to upstream all music recommendations in Top 40/Mainstream, Top 40/Rhythmic, AC, and Hot AC through VP/Label Relations JOHN KILGO. They will then be signed off on by co-COO JOHN DICKEY's office in ATLANTA, changing the longtime practice of having these decisions run through SVPP Corporate Programming JAN JEFFERIES' office."
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atlantaboy said:KWYL/Reno is playing Drop City Yacht Club, Drake "Started From The Bottom", Daft Punk "Get Lucky", J. Cole "Power Trip", Miguel "Adorn", Trey Songz "2 Reasons", also John Hart and Wiz Khalifa
One gets the feeling that KWYL is returning to full-blown Rhythmic now that KLCA has moved into the Top 40/CHR picture.
jason1589 said:"CUMULUS has decided to take a page from its Country operations, and has moved to upstream all music recommendations in Top 40/Mainstream, Top 40/Rhythmic, AC, and Hot AC through VP/Label Relations JOHN KILGO. They will then be signed off on by co-COO JOHN DICKEY's office in ATLANTA, changing the longtime practice of having these decisions run through SVPP Corporate Programming JAN JEFFERIES' office."
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It's about time. Maybe we'll see some changes at the Cumulus stations in the next few weeks.
^I really hope so - here's my feeling...
Jan did an excellent job programming Q100 - ratings right now are the highest they've ever been (I think), and that's even now with a competitor in the market - He's also done a great job with KKOB/Albuquerque
KRBE is clearly beating its competitor, but I feel like it could be rating a lot higher
KLIF is an embarassment - KCHZ/Kansas City should be doing a lot better than it is
WPRO is a big problem (IMO this is possibly a large reason why the changes are happening) - although it's now 2nd in the market, ratings have been dropping steadily since Cumulus took over, and now, for the first time in years I think, the station which has been #1 in the market for so long has now dropped to #2
KSZR/Tucson is very close to the bottom of that market, so is WZRR/Birmingham (although it's new)
Hopefully this change will allow underperforming stations more flexibility in reshaping their station for their market, especially stations in liberal parts of the country that are being programmed like conservative Southern stations
Jan did an excellent job programming Q100 - ratings right now are the highest they've ever been (I think), and that's even now with a competitor in the market - He's also done a great job with KKOB/Albuquerque
KRBE is clearly beating its competitor, but I feel like it could be rating a lot higher
KLIF is an embarassment - KCHZ/Kansas City should be doing a lot better than it is
WPRO is a big problem (IMO this is possibly a large reason why the changes are happening) - although it's now 2nd in the market, ratings have been dropping steadily since Cumulus took over, and now, for the first time in years I think, the station which has been #1 in the market for so long has now dropped to #2
KSZR/Tucson is very close to the bottom of that market, so is WZRR/Birmingham (although it's new)
Hopefully this change will allow underperforming stations more flexibility in reshaping their station for their market, especially stations in liberal parts of the country that are being programmed like conservative Southern stations
KCHZ is doing poorly because of its limited playlist in comparison to KMXV and the fact that they don't play as wide of variety as KMXV (they leave off Mumford, Hunter Hayes, ect.) and the fact that KMXV will play older songs like Third Eye Blind which people like to hear from time to time.
mrtallman said:KCHZ is doing poorly because of its limited playlist in comparison to KMXV and the fact that they don't play as wide of variety as KMXV (they leave off Mumford, Hunter Hayes, ect.)
That's Jan Jeffries at work, there - hopefully this new change will start the fix that...
That formula worked for Q100 against Star 94/Power in ATL (i. e. leaving out Mumford, Hunter Hayes, OM&M, etc.), and for KRBE against KHMX/KKHH in Houston - but I feel like, in general, the further North a station is located, the less Jan's formula works
IMO Changes have to be made at WPRO/Providence (i. e. back to the way it was before), since it's been trending down ever since Jan took over
BTW another issue I think is Hot AC, which Jan is programming similar to his adult-leaning CHRs - it looks like his formula is working at WPLJ, since I don't remember ratings above a 3.0 since the 90s (and it's now ahead of Fresh FM), but not working as well at WRQX/Washington, where the opposite situation is true, and CBS has pulled ahead in that market with a more diverse playlist
jason1589 said:"CUMULUS has decided to take a page from its Country operations, and has moved to upstream all music recommendations in Top 40/Mainstream, Top 40/Rhythmic, AC, and Hot AC through VP/Label Relations JOHN KILGO. They will then be signed off on by co-COO JOHN DICKEY's office in ATLANTA, changing the longtime practice of having these decisions run through SVPP Corporate Programming JAN JEFFERIES' office."
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This is great news. I don't think it can get much worse than Jan. Maybe KKWD will be listenable again once this goes into effect. As of yesterday, they were still playing "Get Busy" by Sean Paul, "Tonight" by Enrique Iglesias, and "Be On You" by Flo Rida.
Cumulus' stations really aren't that terrible in other formats besides CHR. I am hoping we see some significant changes.
EDIT: I just read Jan is still going to be a significant part of the process so I expect things to not completely turn around but we can hope there is at least some improvement. I still don't understand why Jan doesn't get that people turn to CHR stations for TODAY's music, not music from 2003 or 2009.
Providence is a pretty progressive, liberal market that likes new music. PRO was a cutting edge/modern CHR under Citadel. Jan's strategy, IMO, is an absolute joke at that station.atlantaboy said:IMO Changes have to be made at WPRO/Providence (i. e. back to the way it was before), since it's been trending down ever since Jan took over
carolinaradio said:Providence is a pretty progressive, liberal market that likes new music. PRO was a cutting edge/modern CHR under Citadel. Jan's strategy, IMO, is an absolute joke at that station.atlantaboy said:IMO Changes have to be made at WPRO/Providence (i. e. back to the way it was before), since it's been trending down ever since Jan took over
Does any market actually want to hear outdated hip-hop from the middle of the last decade on a Top-40 station? Regardless of how its politics are, in markets where Jan's formula works, it probably isn't working with the demographic the format is targeted towards.
bchristi said:I still don't understand why Jan doesn't get that people turn to CHR stations for TODAY's music, not music from 2003 or 2009.
Because his large Southern stations are winning - in the case of Q100, winning decisively
bchristi - Q100 is 3rd 18-34, and the two stations above it are Urban, so it's essentially #1 with its target audience
Using this same formula in Providence RI is insane, though, so I hope changes will be made so that Pro-FM can go back to its cutting-edge status
atlantaboy said:bchristi said:I still don't understand why Jan doesn't get that people turn to CHR stations for TODAY's music, not music from 2003 or 2009.
Because his large Southern stations are winning - in the case of Q100, winning decisively
bchristi - Q100 is 3rd 18-34, and the two stations above it are Urban, so it's essentially #1 with its target audience
Using this same formula in Providence RI is insane, though, so I hope changes will be made so that Pro-FM can go back to its cutting-edge status
Maybe Atlanta is simply a Hot AC market. A lot of the CHR crowd bleeds over into urban these days anyways as well especially people at the higher end of the 18-34 demographic segment. Most Mainstream Urban stations are very cutting edge as well. From my observations markets that are heavy Urban markets have a little more difficulty with mainstream CHR (Little Rock for instance). Phoenix was that way back in the '90s when they had an urban and a couple of rhythmics but no mainstream CHR.
I wouldn't necessarily equate Republican and politically conservative with preferences for older music vs new music though. Oklahoma City is about as Republican as you can get for a large city and cutting-edge ClearChannel KJYO is dominating the market vs gold-based Cumulus KKWD, one of the worst in the market.
^Rhythmic and CHR are completely different formats, man, at least in 2013 - KJYO has no competition, so it can do whatever it wants to
atlantaboy said:^Rhythmic and CHR are completely different formats, man, at least in 2013 - KJYO has no competition, so it can do whatever it wants to
KKWD has always been a pop-leaning rhythmic, on the very edge of being CHR even in the Citadel days. They even added a few rock songs back in the mid 2000s such as Green Day, Hinder, and Fall Out Boy, which no other rhythmic I can think of did. KKWD and KJYO have always been considered competitors. KKWD used to beat KJYO on its measly 6kw signal by being extremely cutting edge. Rimshot independent KVSP is the true urban/rhythmic station in OKC.
^Looking at both playlists (in 2013), I don't think many "conservative" listeners would switch from KJYO to KKWD just to hear songs that are more familiar, since most CHR tracks aren't played on KKWD - if you want to hear CHR hits, KJYO, at least currently, is really your only choice
BTW I'm not sure "Republican" vs. "Democrat" is the defining issue here - I think it's more the cultural differences between Southern culture and Northern culture, just in terms of how Jan Jeffries built up his programming background with nearly all of his original CHR stations in the South, especially the small market South
I know this is a big generalization, but I think that, in general, white Southerners feel more comfortable with what's familiar, while white Northerners get bored with what's familiar and want to hear something new - I also think that, though, as Southerners build up loyalty to stations they've listened to and their families have listened to for decades, the stations can become more cutting-edge musically, since the public "trusts them"
I only used the word "white" because IMO it doesn't seem like that same pattern applies to Hispanics or African-Americans (i. e. Southern Rhythmic and Urban stations don't seem any more conservative to me than Northern Rhythmic and Urban stations)
BTW I'm not sure "Republican" vs. "Democrat" is the defining issue here - I think it's more the cultural differences between Southern culture and Northern culture, just in terms of how Jan Jeffries built up his programming background with nearly all of his original CHR stations in the South, especially the small market South
I know this is a big generalization, but I think that, in general, white Southerners feel more comfortable with what's familiar, while white Northerners get bored with what's familiar and want to hear something new - I also think that, though, as Southerners build up loyalty to stations they've listened to and their families have listened to for decades, the stations can become more cutting-edge musically, since the public "trusts them"
I only used the word "white" because IMO it doesn't seem like that same pattern applies to Hispanics or African-Americans (i. e. Southern Rhythmic and Urban stations don't seem any more conservative to me than Northern Rhythmic and Urban stations)
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