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Cumulus Cincinnati chief engineer arrested

"The engineers at radio stations are in a position that requires absolute trust. They have the keys and passwords to everything, and are expected to keep track of every asset on the inventory sheet.

This person has to be absolutely trustworthy and dependable or utter mayhem may ensue causing huge loss of revenue or assets, including intellectual property, by the broadcasting company." All we have to sell as engineers is our time, talents, and reputation. The last part, reputation in many ways is actually more important than anything else. As a group we are very carful to NOT be like this guy (if it's as it appears). Our reputation over the years is well in excesss of what was taken. "That's why these guys are paid such handsome salaries." Actually, many engineering guys aren't paid all that well and treated like crap. I realize you are joking, but the truth is management needs to wake up and understand that retaining good engineering help is about like retaining a great GSM or legal council, etc. You want someone you can trust that will be there when you need them and look after your intrests first. That's actually a pretty tall order. Broadcast engineers are the final defense, council, and firewall between station ownership and a mulitude of problems and issues. A good engineer keeps those problems at bay. A bad one doesn't. Many managers mistake "we don't seem to have many problems" for a lack of a need for a staff engineer, when in reality it's just the opposite. If things are running smooth, keep paying the guy. There's a reason the manager can sleep at night like a baby! LOL!
 
As a broadcast engineer I detest anyone that violates ownership's trust by pulling something like this. I realize that Cumeless is a terrible company that truely is a posterchild for bad broadcasting, but if that's the reason for taking their assets and feeling good about it. Any time someone pulls this kind of crap it damages the overall profession. I detest it. We need more trust from our owners as a whole to do our jobs properly, not less.
 
The trust issue goes a step further for contract engineers who carry the keys to multiple stations that compete with each other in the same market. Even repeating things that are common public knowledge can be viewed unfavorably. Trust is a long time being earned but can quickly be destroyed. I'd say this guy had better learn to flip burgers...guilty or not, his future in radio has likely just went up in smoke. And with as few good engineers as there are today, that's a shame.
 
Has a radio broadcast engineer ever been accused of stealing this much from his employer?
Is a story of this magnitude unheard of in broadcasting industry until now?
 
gabigley1 said:
Has a radio broadcast engineer ever been accused of stealing this much from his employer?
Is a story of this magnitude unheard of in broadcasting industry until now?

It was probably an old dead 1960's gray ATC rack mounted cart machine that has been recapitalized a bizillion times due to all the buyouts and is now on the books for that amount.

http://www.bobmayben.com/images/atc_play_500x300.jpg
 
Without accounting for personal integrity ( or lack of ), it would certainly behoove employers
to pay those entrusted well enough that such temptation does not lead them into this behavior to try to make ends meet.

This in no way excuses such behavior, but starving people are less culpable for sneaking food when
they're serving up the food at a catered meal.

Likely there is someone farther up the food chain on company time managing their "investments" while this poor soul struggles.
 
Tom Wells said:
Likely there is someone farther up the food chain on company time managing their "investments" while this poor soul struggles.

WTF

Is this justification to steal? They didn't pay him enough? Bullcrap!

Theft is never ok or justified. If you don't like what you're being paid, go somewhere else
of start your own contracting business and charge what you think best.

I've sent many old pieces of gear to the big dumpster out back. I cringe at the thought
of all the tube gear that went to the scrapper. I've sold old items on Ebay as well.
And I was given a few pieces over the years. But the owner/manager made the decisions on these items- not me.

mb
 
markbohach said:
Tom Wells said:
Likely there is someone farther up the food chain on company time managing their "investments" while this poor soul struggles.

WTF

Is this justification to steal? They didn't pay him enough? Bullcrap!

Theft is never ok or justified. If you don't like what you're being paid, go somewhere else
of start your own contracting business and charge what you think best.

I've sent many old pieces of gear to the big dumpster out back. I cringe at the thought
of all the tube gear that went to the scrapper. I've sold old items on Ebay as well.
And I was given a few pieces over the years. But the owner/manager made the decisions on these items- not me.

mb

We are in agreement. It is a very difficult distinction I was trying to make.

There is no justification for stealing.
In the case of actual starving families, where a person is actually serving food in a catering job, "shrinkage"
can hardly be considered the fault of of the "starvee". especially if a handsome profit margin is being enjoyed
well up the food chain, and the "starvee" is not paid a living wage or even a legal minimum wage.

I'm issued a "1A" master key at my place of employment, and could not fathom the idea of taking the property
of my employer.

When the 25" x 56" 5-ply rubber press blankets are worn out and thrown in the dumpster, I grab them
so I can use them to keep the roof on my garage in servicable condition until such day as I can get a job where
I can afford to re-roof my garage properly.
Even if I'm teased about garbage picking, it doesn't lessen the need to do so.

This doesn't make one bit of difference in inequity, but it does keep the garage dry inside.
When the day comes for me to leave this employer, I will find a proper way to express the inequities respectfully
and wish them well as I hand the 1A key back.
 
markbohach said:
Is this justification to steal? They didn't pay him enough? Bullcrap!

Theft is never ok or justified. If you don't like what you're being paid, go somewhere else
of start your own contracting business and charge what you think best.

I've sent many old pieces of gear to the big dumpster out back. I cringe at the thought
of all the tube gear that went to the scrapper. I've sold old items on Ebay as well.
And I was given a few pieces over the years. But the owner/manager made the decisions on these items- not me.

I'll have to agree... Stealing is never justified, and there is generally enough gear being thrown out, broken, given, junked, or just plain put in the "please haul it away" category. There'a also the surplus auction, and places that are out there, I remember seeing a bunch of Potomac stuff at a computer recycling place not to long ago, it was probably from the state or something. Regardless, there is little reason to steal.

I remember a long time ago, when a station owner and I had a dispute, he said that I stole thousands of dollars worth of stuff from him, and called the police. They called me, and I promptly went downtown, and offered to show them where all the equipment was, like the missing turntable preamps, remote controls, punch blocks, and stuff like that. (yes, the turntables did work quite well, btw). I just said that I wasn't going to go into that station with the owner there, as he had chased me down one of the main streets of the city with a gun...

needless to say, that was easily dismissed, by me, the police, and the other engineer who was brought in to verify the stuff was there.

And I don't know Ben, and what, if any circumstances there might be, but based on what I know can happen, I might not be quick to accuse anyone, cause, we all know the people in broadcasting are REALLY SANE!
 
Add another stealing is never justified. But the lack or abundance of money does seem to amplify people's character failings.
 
I don't know the guy so he might just be the kind of guy who does this sort of thing. But I do think it's sad that so many people feel like theft is justified whether it's because of how they're treated or the hole the economy has so many people in.
 
I always try to be nice to the engineers. Don't piss off the people who know how deal with high voltage equipment.
 
greg.hahn said:
chapr said:
I knew one who had a hook on the end of a wooden pole in case he needed pulled away.

That was the grounding stick. Don't believe everything you hear. ::)

I had to fire a guy because our weather radar had been down for days and he couldn't get it back on the air. After I arrived on site; I determined that holes were blown into the transmitter shorting stick. He later admitted that he had used it on the operating modulator drawer to see the "arcs and sparks."
 
chapr said:
Yeah, I know. But he actually told me once, "If I get stuck, knock me loose."

as nobody is mentioning this...and if you ever find yourself in this position....

IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT BREAKER... AND YOU SHOULD IF YOU ARE THERE TO ASSIST...FIND THE BIGGEST ONE ON THE WALL..AND TURN THAT OFF...

THEN WORRY ABOUT GETTING THE AFFECTED PERSON LOOSE...

CAUSE IF YOU DON'T YOU CAN EASILY GET ELECTROCUTED, TOO!!!
 
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