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CUMULUS keeps ignoring "Super Bass" !

CHRles said:
It's got nothing to do with customization or the whole soccer mom theory. There are plenty of soccer moms who listen to 106.1 Kiss FM Dallas, or Z-107.7 St. Louis, or Kiss 98.5 Buffalo, or B-97 New Orleans, or 98 PXY Rochester, or K-92 Roanoke, or 101.3 KDWB Minneapolis. All these stations are playing "Super Bass" in heavy rotation in all dayparts.

None of those stations have Hot ACs which are skyrocketing in 18-34 ratings - they don't have to worry as much about their "soccer moms" flipping to Hot AC, and I don't think any of them have the Hot ACs in their markets running constant ads against them

And BTW I do think Q100 is customized for Atlanta (and cloned for other markets) - I know it can't be proven, but the Cumulus playlist seems to react significantly to Star 94's playlist, so I do think the Cumulus currents are Atlanta-centered, similarly to how a few years back Clear Channel essentially cloned its Kiss station in Cincinatti for about 10-12 other rhythmic-leaning "Kiss" stations nationwide
 
atlantaboy said:
CHRles said:
It's got nothing to do with customization or the whole soccer mom theory. There are plenty of soccer moms who listen to 106.1 Kiss FM Dallas, or Z-107.7 St. Louis, or Kiss 98.5 Buffalo, or B-97 New Orleans, or 98 PXY Rochester, or K-92 Roanoke, or 101.3 KDWB Minneapolis. All these stations are playing "Super Bass" in heavy rotation in all dayparts.

None of those stations have Hot ACs which are skyrocketing in 18-34 ratings - they don't have to worry as much about their "soccer moms" flipping to Hot AC, and I don't think any of them have the Hot ACs in their markets running constant ads against them

Minneapolis doesn't have a successful Hot AC??? What about St. Louis? Or Buffalo?

Q-100 has had to deal with its national-based corporate driven playlist or a while now, long before Star 94's recent resurgence.
 
I don't have anything against Q100 and their programming, if that's what it takes for them to be competitive. My issue is that they clone it in other markets where they may not have the situation as Atlanta (Q100 vs Star).
 
CHRles said:
atlantaboy said:
CHRles said:
It's got nothing to do with customization or the whole soccer mom theory. There are plenty of soccer moms who listen to 106.1 Kiss FM Dallas, or Z-107.7 St. Louis, or Kiss 98.5 Buffalo, or B-97 New Orleans, or 98 PXY Rochester, or K-92 Roanoke, or 101.3 KDWB Minneapolis. All these stations are playing "Super Bass" in heavy rotation in all dayparts.

None of those stations have Hot ACs which are skyrocketing in 18-34 ratings - they don't have to worry as much about their "soccer moms" flipping to Hot AC, and I don't think any of them have the Hot ACs in their markets running constant ads against them

Minneapolis doesn't have a successful Hot AC??? What about St. Louis? Or Buffalo?

Can you read?

"None of those stations have Hot ACs which are skyrocketing in 18-34 ratings"
 
atlantaboy said:
Can you read?

"None of those stations have Hot ACs which are skyrocketing in 18-34 ratings"

You might want to take some of your own advice and check the 18-34 success stories of the Hot ACs in the markets I've mentioned
And again let me reiterate that Q-100 and the Cumulus philosophy started before Star 94's recent success with both 18-34 and 25-54 year olds.

BTW, Wild is also doing well with 18-34 year olds.
 
I know most people do not analyze things in this type of way, and it may not have a high level of importance when it comes to the business / revenue aspect of radio, but I'm almost 100% positive that Q100 has not only been as successful as a chr due to a lack of any direct chr competition - in addition to the fact that this adult chr style sound has pretty much been all that was bottle fed to Atl'iens for many years now, but (I'm also almost 100% positive that) if given time, a pop leaning rhythmic (or even a well programmed slightly urban leaning rhythmic) could also be just as successful as Q100. Just because it has never happened doesn't mean it couldn't work if tried. ...

Many people who have a strong to moderate dislike of hip hop or the urban format will, of course, choose Q100 or Star 94 to get as close to top 40 (or even rhythmic) as possible rather than tune in to the urbans that feature basically 1 to 2 types of music.

The only problem I see with WWVA or the format style suggestions I mentioned above in my first paragraph is that it will take people a while to discover, get used to, and even develop a like for the new format, especially if the format starts out as unstable and untrustworthy as WWVA's first few months of chr! Some of the things that could hold back a new Atlanta chr format from having faster success, are;

A lot of people may flip through, hear the new station, but if it's playing hip hop (or something they don't like), they'll just quickly assume "oh it's another rap station we don't need" and just pass it off without giving it further chance.

If an urban fanatic tunes in to hear one song, then the next song that comes on is "weird" to them, they, of course, will also not stick around.

Atlanta has had a long history of lacking hits, so imagine if people tune in, hear some extra stuff they are unfamiliar with, then tune out because the station is playing "weird music"...

And with the history and unstableness WWVA has had, I could see why people would not immediately "trust" the station enough to get hooked on it now that it's fixed up (hence, why the ratings are slowly rising) in addition to its weak signal and the other reasons I mentioned above.

So, just like what happened in the Phoenix section with KZON and all the rhythmic haters that used to talk a lot, I believe that WWVA can and will also be just as successful in Atlanta as KZON eventually became in Phoenix! Even with KZON's huge, powerful, clear signal, it still took it a while to "get recognized" and start charting well in ratings! WWVA, despite its signal, has been gaining steady success, and seems to (now) even be rising at a slightly faster rate than KZON did! (If I remember correctly, it took KZON about two years to surpass being in the middle of the ratings sheet and actually look like a top performer on paper.)

I know, I could've explained all this with better wording, but... despite my laziness to put more effort into this post, I'm sure most of you understand what I'm trying to say. The current WWVA is actually the FIRST proper rhythmic pop chr to be tried since the early days of 95.5 The Beat. I'm sure it will find solid success in ATL and eventually give Q100 another thing to be worried about. If I don't die or get banned from the internet or something, I will be back in two years to post on whether or not I was right. ;)
 
KDM 7000 said:
I'm almost 100% positive that Q100 has not only been as successful as a chr due to a lack of any direct chr competition

If this were true, and a Rhythmic-leaning CHR could be getting better ratings in Atlanta than Q100 is currently getting, Clear Channel or CBS would've flipped a full signal station by now (Clear Channel has had the past ten years to do it)

Also, I can't think of two more opposite markets than Phoenix and Atlanta - politically, demographically...

The West Coast has huge Hispanic influence, and (from what I hear) dance clubs are huge - Atlanta has huge African-American influence, but that demographic tends to listen extremely loyally to Urban radio, leaving CHR with a very "white" audience

Again, I'm sure Clear Channel and CBS have studied the situation - if CBS thought a rhythmic-leaning CHR could beat Q100 in ratings (and we're talking about #1 or #2 in the market), it would flip Dave-FM in a heartbeat - and same with Clear Channel and Project 96.1
 
Q100 has had direct competition in Star 94 before Star decided to go hot AC. Q has had a ratings surge the last couple of years or so due to moving to a much more powerful frequency. Previously being on the weaker 100.5 signal held them back from reaching their full potential.
 
atlantaboy said:
Again, I'm sure Clear Channel and CBS have studied the situation - if CBS thought a rhythmic-leaning CHR could beat Q100 in ratings (and we're talking about #1 or #2 in the market), it would flip Dave-FM in a heartbeat - and same with Clear Channel and Project 96.1

I'm not so sure who does these studies, because

* I could've told anybody (and I did) that a rhythmic ac/Groove format was one of the dumbest ideas to do in Atlanta, especially when no one had even filled the WWVA format yet. That, ... I don't think I will ever fully understand why that happened. I place this mystery on the same list with "how did the universe begin" and "what happens after you die".

* There are quite a few times when something finally happens in radio and is successful, and people can only wonder "It took THAT long to figure that out / think of this?".

Honestly, I don't know what took ClearChannel themselves so long to convert WWVA into a rhythmic chr, and even more baffling was why they let it be programmed as awfully and disastrous as it was for as long as it did before finally finding a replacement PD / MD. So, it's hard for me to believe they'd flip any station in a heartbeat regardless of how sensible or nonsensible the idea was. Maybe they'll eventually do it, but most likely not in a "heartbeat". It took them long enough to realize that Groove was not such a bright idea....
 
I agree with Atlantaboy on this one...How is it that when people discuss AMP in LA not playing all the hits...they are catering to the market...but when it is Q100 in atlanta not playing all the hits...there is something wrong. I don't live in Atlanta...but it seems clear as day that Atlanta must be a hot ac market...Star has been florishing ever since switching to Hot Ac...Star 94 also appears to be one of the few pure Hot AC Stations around while most others around the nation are trying to compete with CHR. Q-100 is being programmed accordingly to compete...and it's ratings are going up as well.
 
I had to stop typing prematurely because I was being rushed to come on and take my aunt down the street.

But as I was driving, I thought of a few other factors. Maybe ClearChannel didn't see a hole in the Atlanta market because 95.5 and their funny format had it partially covered. I'm assuming that ClearChannel must've thought 95.5 The Beat was that good that they didn't dare try to come in and compete because as soon as 95.5 flipped to news talk and WWVA (very slowly, and not in a heartbeat) started transitioning to rhythmic top 40, what did they do? TAKE THE OLD PD OF THE BEAT just as soon as ratings were on a rise and let them drop down to a 1.9!

So, .... I'm not sure who's doing these studies, but if they were doing studies like this in meteorology or other things, we probably wouldn't be alive right now to have this discussion. I mean, I guess if you're mostly successful, then that's what counts overall in the end, but that whole WWVA move they made prior to recently was dumb. Not only that, but the whole transition and name change timing...etc. were all horrible as well. No wonder the ratings had to basically restart from fresh! They would've just been better off doing a full quick & sudden format flip rather than that craziness that occurred. And whoever decided to remove "hey baby" by Pitbull, "rocketeer" by Fareast Movement and let BOB "airplanes" play 3 or 4 times an hour for days... you know what, there's really no point on dwelling on all that past stuff anymore.

All that counts is that they finally got it together and got rid of the people they needed to.

I should retire from this topic because in reality, this topic isn't going to make any difference in what happens in the real world. I doubt Cumulus will change their top 20 currents style playlist and that's just the way it is. If it doesn't reach the top 20, then it's most likely just not a hit on Q100. At least there's WWVA to play everything else that otherwise would've never been heard in Atl. radio.
 
By the way, the KAMP and KIIS regular playlists aren't really all that.... My main issue with Q100 is how they are forced to only have a top 20 to 23  currents playlist. They don't really lean hot ac too much. They just play less newer music. I doubt there would be as many complaints if WWWQ stayed how they were, but just operated under a full top 40 playlist. I wonder if they had more than 20 slots available for current hits, how would they compete against Star? Or would they just be doomed if that were the case?
 
KDM 7000 said:
My main issue with Q100 is how they are forced to only have a top 20 to 23 currents playlist. They don't really lean hot ac too much. They just play less newer music. I doubt there would be as many complaints if WWWQ stayed how they were, but just operated under a full top 40 playlist.

I can't think of many major market CHRs that have a 40-slot current playlist - most, if not all large market CHRs play 20-30 currents at one time (including Z100)

And I'm not sure Q100 is getting a lot of "complaints" from anyone except for people on this message board, most of whom don't even live in Atlanta - they don't care if people who live in Phoenix don't like their station

I also really don't understand how the stations in Phoenix are that much more "current" than Q100...

Q100 has 23 currents on its Top 50 playlist this week

For comparison in Phoenix,
KMVA has 24 currents in its Top 50 playlist
KZON has 28 currents in its Top 50 playlist
KZZP has 29 currents in its Top 50 playlist

The only difference is the Phoenix stations are basically picking out the rhythmic ones
 
Great, so we're back to seeing a few people on here get all defensive about Q-100 Atlanta, and somehow compare it to the situation with the always innovative, extremely influential 97.1 Amp Radio L.A. Yeah, we know Amp leans Rhythmic, but f*ck they are super relevant to the CHR demos, and charts. Nobody in the industry gives two sh*ts if it's "fair" that they're not playing some Midtempo Rock/Pop songs.
Besides, its parent company, CBS, doesn't dictate its playlist. There are other CBS owned stations that are more Adult friendly, Rock friendly, or Dance friendly.

Sh*t soup people, it's not about Q-100 - this is about Cumulus CHR radio as a whole forced to ignore a Top 6 CHR/Pop hit.
There, I've written it plain and simple, and out in the open.

Yes, the Premium Choice CC philosophy wasn't much better, although those 5-6 stations actually did play all the songs inside the Top 20 of the CHR/Pop charts. They were also counted just once, as in one station.
With Cumulus you've got like 10-20 stations playing the same exact currents not due to market competition, or research, but b/c they have to. Whether their ratings suck (I-93 Dallas) or not appears to be irrelevant.
 
CHRles said:
Great, so we're back to seeing a few people on here get all defensive about Q-100 Atlanta, and somehow compare it to the situation with the always innovative, extremely influential 97.1 Amp Radio L.A.

Mmm Hmmm...Rhythmic-leaning stations are "innovative", and Hot AC-leaning stations are not

Lol
 
CHRles said:
Yes, the Premium Choice CC philosophy wasn't much better, although those 5-6 stations actually did play all the songs inside the Top 20 of the CHR/Pop charts. They were also counted just once, as in one station.

That's not true at all - those "Kiss" playlists ignored most rock and pop/rock songs inside the CHR Top 20

And BTW, Amp Radio is ignoring Tonight Tonight, which is now #3 on ITunes (While Super Bass is #7) - but apparently it's "innovative" to skip Tonight Tonight, while skipping Super Bass is abominable
 
If it was just Q-100 iggying "Super Bass" it'd be one thing, but it's pretty much all the Cumulus CHRs.
This is completely different from talking about what an individual station like Amp out in L.A. is ignoring and playing.
BTW, bringing up the Itunes chart alone is not always sufficient. There's only 4 CHRs playing Demi Lovato's "Skyscraper" right now, and it's had a huge opening week on Itunes and the Billboard Hot 100.

As for the Kiss stations, most of them did NOT ignore the big crossover Rock songs that made the Top 10. Some of those Pop/Rock songs you speak of were mainstays of small and medium sized CHRs in the Midwest and the South. That's always been the case with such records.
Go back and look at the playlists of CHRs in Middle America in the mid 80s or mid 90s, and you'll find dozens of acts and songs that are a replica of the Journey, REO Speedwagon, and Chicago type of sound. Sometimes these songs perform well in the big cities (as was the case with Richard Marx) and along the coasts, and sometimes they don't.
Anyways, I don't remember most Kiss stations skipping out on Creed, Maroon 5, or Hoobastank when they hit big.
 
CHRles said:
If it was just Q-100 iggying "Super Bass" it'd be one thing, but it's pretty much all the Cumulus CHRs.
I really don't have a dog in the fight, but this is my complaint also. If Q100 can't play certain songs because they want to be competitive with Star 94, more power to them. However, should the other CHR's do it also?
 
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