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D&Z in the AM

J

JustaFan

Is it just me or does Drake seem even more testy in the morning drive time than he was in the afternoon? I've tried to listen since his return to the airwaves, but he gets so worked up about some topics that it makes me uncomfortable. Maybe that's the format they're going for, I don't know....

I have to wonder if he makes me uncomfortable listening, what if I'm not alone? What if people don't rush to point their dials to 98.1? Will they go the route of Drumm and Burks??<P ID="signature">______________
FJC</P>
 
> Is it just me or does Drake seem even more testy in the
> morning drive time than he was in the afternoon? I've tried
> to listen since his return to the airwaves, but he gets so
> worked up about some topics that it makes me uncomfortable.
> Maybe that's the format they're going for, I don't know....
>
> I have to wonder if he makes me uncomfortable listening,
> what if I'm not alone? What if people don't rush to point
> their dials to 98.1? Will they go the route of Drumm and
> Burks??
>
Nothings changed really. But if you do afternoons for 10 plus years, its kinda hard to wake up at 4 and be on the air at 6am.
 
Re: Some 98.1 observations

> > Is it just me or does Drake seem even more testy in the
> > morning drive time than he was in the afternoon? I've
> tried
> > to listen since his return to the airwaves, but he gets so
>
> > worked up about some topics that it makes me
> uncomfortable.
> > Maybe that's the format they're going for, I don't
> know....
> >
> > I have to wonder if he makes me uncomfortable listening,
> > what if I'm not alone? What if people don't rush to point
> > their dials to 98.1? Will they go the route of Drumm and
> > Burks??
> >
> Nothings changed really. But if you do afternoons for 10
> plus years, its kinda hard to wake up at 4 and be on the air
> at 6am.
>

All afternoon they were occasionally playing halves of songs, cutting them off with promos and commercials...At one point, you heard about half of "Rebel Rebel", to be cut off by "All Apologies" to be cut of by something I couldn't identify, cut off by a promo into commercials....and then about 10 minutes later we got to hear all of "Rebel Rebel" and "All Apologies".

Bizzare. Oh, and we all know Drake & Zeke are on in the morning, right? You don't have to tell us every 5 minutes.

Bonus points though for hearing Megan White play "Return to Sender"! And the "Tighten Up"!
 
> Is it just me or does Drake seem even more testy in the
> morning drive time than he was in the afternoon? I've tried
> to listen since his return to the airwaves, but he gets so
> worked up about some topics that it makes me uncomfortable.
> Maybe that's the format they're going for, I don't know....
>
> I have to wonder if he makes me uncomfortable listening,
> what if I'm not alone? What if people don't rush to point
> their dials to 98.1? Will they go the route of Drumm and
> Burks??
>
You ever worked AM drive? You'd be testy too if you woke up that early every day.

Think about it...after years and years of getting to sleep in......
 
> You ever worked AM drive? You'd be testy too if you woke up
> that early every day.
>
> Think about it...after years and years of getting to sleep
> in.....

Then why were they so hell bent to have an AM drive show? Perhaps it's one of those "be careful what you wish for" scenarios.... <P ID="signature">______________
FJC</P>
 
Re: Some 98.1 observations

> > > Is it just me or does Drake seem even more testy in the
> > > morning drive time than he was in the afternoon? I've
> > tried
> > > to listen since his return to the airwaves, but he gets
> so
> >
> > > worked up about some topics that it makes me
> > uncomfortable.
> > > Maybe that's the format they're going for, I don't
> > know....
> > >
> > > I have to wonder if he makes me uncomfortable listening,
>
> > > what if I'm not alone? What if people don't rush to
> point
> > > their dials to 98.1? Will they go the route of Drumm
> and
> > > Burks??
> > >
> > Nothings changed really. But if you do afternoons for 10
> > plus years, its kinda hard to wake up at 4 and be on the
> air
> > at 6am.
> >
>
> All afternoon they were occasionally playing halves of
> songs, cutting them off with promos and commercials...At one
> point, you heard about half of "Rebel Rebel", to be cut off
> by "All Apologies" to be cut of by something I couldn't
> identify, cut off by a promo into commercials....and then
> about 10 minutes later we got to hear all of "Rebel Rebel"
> and "All Apologies".
>
> Bizzare. Oh, and we all know Drake & Zeke are on in the
> morning, right? You don't have to tell us every 5 minutes.
>
> Bonus points though for hearing Megan White play "Return to
> Sender"! And the "Tighten Up"!
>
Did Megan play that? Or was that what came up on the Scotts Studio screen?<P ID="signature">______________
Louderdb</P>
 
> > You ever worked AM drive? You'd be testy too if you woke
> up
> > that early every day.
> >
> > Think about it...after years and years of getting to sleep
>
> > in.....
>
> Then why were they so hell bent to have an AM drive show?
> Perhaps it's one of those "be careful what you wish for"
> scenarios....
>

When you have a show to do, you get ready for your show; the time the show starts is immaterial. You want morning drive, you get up in the "wee smalls," and that's the beginning and the end of it.

Indeed, be careful what you sit out your non-compete for...

--Mike
 
Re: Some 98.1 observations

Getting up in the morning may be a bit tough, but it's not like they started doing it the day after doing an afternoon slot. There was more than ample time to prepare. Bed time is now 9:30pm. I've been doing it for over a year now. You get used to it. Sort of. At least the commute to work is a breeze. <P ID="signature">______________
Your Mom Goes To College</P>
 
Re: Some 98.1 observations

> Getting up in the morning may be a bit tough, but it's not
> like they started doing it the day after doing an afternoon
> slot. There was more than ample time to prepare. Bed time is
> now 9:30pm. I've been doing it for over a year now. You get
> used to it. Sort of. At least the commute to work is a
> breeze.
>

You never get used to it. You adapt to it, but you never get used to it.
 
> Is it just me or does Drake seem even more testy in the
> morning drive time than he was in the afternoon? I've tried
> to listen since his return to the airwaves, but he gets so
> worked up about some topics that it makes me uncomfortable.
> Maybe that's the format they're going for, I don't know....
>
> I have to wonder if he makes me uncomfortable listening,
> what if I'm not alone? What if people don't rush to point
> their dials to 98.1? Will they go the route of Drumm and
> Burks??
>

You're not alone. For me D&Z are very difficult to listen to in the mornings. I don't know if he is more testy or if we're just NOT as brain fried at that time of the day. I for one enjoyed the music in the mornings driving in to work.
 
Re: Some 98.1 observations

Wwwwaaaaaaaaa.....Oh it's too hard to make 6 figures and get up in the morning...what a crock...D & Z in the morning is a little like listening to pigs wake up in the morning...A lot of high pitched squeeling and then a big big letdown cause the bacon don't taste as good as it did in the afternoons
 
Let's wait 6 months

and see what happens.

At that point, we'll be able to see how much, if any, dent they've made into the Wake-Up Crew's numbers. If they haven't chipped away by that time, Citadel will have some thinking to do about 98.1's future....
 
Re: Some 98.1 observations

> Wwwwaaaaaaaaa.....Oh it's too hard to make 6 figures and get
> up in the morning...what a crock...D & Z in the morning is a
> little like listening to pigs wake up in the morning...A lot
> of high pitched squeeling and then a big big letdown cause
> the bacon don't taste as good as it did in the afternoons
>

Everybody who does mornings and complains about it can eat doo-doo... I get to work at 7pm, get off at midnight, sleep 3 hours in my car and go into the network at 3am to do news till 11am. THEN, I sleep. Beat that! And I still gotta sound fresh and upbeat on the air.

Notice, its 12:30pm and I'm STILL not asleep LOL...<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
Re: Let's wait 6 months

Personally... this isn't a slam of D&B, but the music finally sounds more like what it was supposed since they left. Now, if between D&Z and 98.1 sounding like a real rock station doesn't fix the problem, maybe Citadel should think about returning Smooth Jazz... or dead carrier, or something. Nothing's worked on that frequency in many years, which is a pity since it's one of the best signals in the market. Actually, my suggestion would be to just leave it alone for at least three books from here and see if it gains an audience slowly, as stations used to years ago.

Or, consider this: My home market is Boston. Historically a big Rock town. Rock has been floundering there for several years now... and if a big Rock town can't support all the rock stations (WAAF, WBCN, WFNX, WBOS plus three adjacent markets with at least one apiece), how can Memphis, an Urban/Gospel/Blues town support three full-blown rock stations? Anybody? Hell, Memphis can't even support the newest Urban member, Power99... so what is it with this city? Just too many signals? What do you guys think?<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
Re: Let's wait 6 months

There haven't been good stations in Boston since WRKO and WBCN's heydays.

heeheehee<P ID="signature">______________
Never hold a cat and a dustbuster at the same time.</P>
 
Re: Let's wait 6 months

> What do you guys think?

Does Memphis have too many signals? Well, that's an interesting question.

First, what does "too many" mean? Certainly, the public is better served with more signals than fewer. That's a given. If one means too many to make money, that's another issue.

Ultimately, Memphis is no more over-served than most other towns. And, speaking per capita, it has fewer stations than many in our region (Little Rock, just for one example, has a similar number of FM signals and less than 1/2 the population. There are many, many other examples). Since Docket 80-90, every town is swimming in a sea of FM signals; that is just the nature of the business today, and it will only get worse. More stations will move and/or sign-on. More translators will drop in. It's never-ending. And satellite? That's yet another set of programming streams. IBOC? Yup -- more still.

You wanna see overserved? Spend a day in Salt Lake City. Wow.

In Memphis, the problem is less competition than just lack of imagination. Take 98.9, for instance. It's a Hip-Hop station in a sea of Urban. What did Citadel expect here? There is NOTHING unique about the station, save for a morning team that hasn't experienced a real Summer in years. I understand that the market is ~ 50% black, but, the Urban market has reached saturation. And, it doesn't take an MBA to figure that one out.

98.1? It's a train wreck. What more can one say? If there are not wholesale changes on that station SOON, D&Z will be joining D&B looking for a new home.

Back when I was a programmer, we would talk in terms of market holes. It seems as if no one here does that. They just decide that their cluster needs an Urban or a Country -- or whatever -- and blaze ahead, not conscious of whether the station they want to attack has any real weaknesses.

"It worked in Little Rock, darnit, it will work there!"

How does one fix this? That is a good question.

DE
 
Re: Let's wait 6 months

> Personally... this isn't a slam of D&B, but the music
> finally sounds more like what it was supposed since they
> left. Now, if between D&Z and 98.1 sounding like a real
> rock station doesn't fix the problem, maybe Citadel should
> think about returning Smooth Jazz... or dead carrier, or
> something. Nothing's worked on that frequency in many
> years, which is a pity since it's one of the best signals in
> the market. Actually, my suggestion would be to just leave
> it alone for at least three books from here and see if it
> gains an audience slowly, as stations used to years ago.
>
> Or, consider this: My home market is Boston. Historically
> a big Rock town. Rock has been floundering there for
> several years now... and if a big Rock town can't support
> all the rock stations (WAAF, WBCN, WFNX, WBOS plus three
> adjacent markets with at least one apiece), how can Memphis,
> an Urban/Gospel/Blues town support three full-blown rock
> stations? Anybody? Hell, Memphis can't even support the
> newest Urban member, Power99... so what is it with this
> city? Just too many signals? What do you guys think?

I think you need some sleep. You have a hellacious work schedule and my hat is off to you.

My .02 is they should quit chasing after somebody else and put a country legends or some other flanker country station on to protect the KIX Golden Goose. If they lose that, then they are no better off than Flinn.
>
 
Re: Let's wait 6 months

> There haven't been good stations in Boston since WRKO and
> WBCN's heydays.
>
> heeheehee
> Let's wait 6 months and Citadel will be sold...
Infinity will probably leave town...
Clear Channel will continue to hold the urban market.
Entercom will still be here with WRVR playing sleepy AC music.
Before the 6 month timeline, D&Z will flame out, because when things don't come up all roses, they get grumpy, nasty and very negative. And when the revenue doesn't come in like the expectation, budgets will be cut, expenses will be tightened and it will be hard to be Drake & Zeke on no money.
 
Re: Some 98.1 observations

> > > > Is it just me or does Drake seem even more testy in
> the
> > > > morning drive time than he was in the afternoon? I've
>
> > > tried
> > > > to listen since his return to the airwaves, but he
> gets
> > so
> > >
> > > > worked up about some topics that it makes me
> > > uncomfortable.
> > > > Maybe that's the format they're going for, I don't
> > > know....
> > > >
> > > > I have to wonder if he makes me uncomfortable
> listening,
> >
> > > > what if I'm not alone? What if people don't rush to
> > point
> > > > their dials to 98.1? Will they go the route of Drumm
> > and
> > > > Burks??
> > > >
> > > Nothings changed really. But if you do afternoons for 10
>
> > > plus years, its kinda hard to wake up at 4 and be on the
>
> > air
> > > at 6am.
> > >
> >
> > All afternoon they were occasionally playing halves of
> > songs, cutting them off with promos and commercials...At
> one
> > point, you heard about half of "Rebel Rebel", to be cut
> off
> > by "All Apologies" to be cut of by something I couldn't
> > identify, cut off by a promo into commercials....and then
> > about 10 minutes later we got to hear all of "Rebel Rebel"
>
> > and "All Apologies".
> >
> > Bizzare. Oh, and we all know Drake & Zeke are on in the
> > morning, right? You don't have to tell us every 5 minutes.
>
> >
> > Bonus points though for hearing Megan White play "Return
> to
> > Sender"! And the "Tighten Up"!
> >
> Did Megan play that? Or was that what came up on the Scotts
> Studio screen?
>


"Tighten Up" was played after one of those "feelin the funk" promos...
Megan did say "This is Elvis Presley and 'Return to Sender'" though...I was shocked!!
 
Re: Let's wait 6 months/Rating Rant

Yep, you can count on WRVR to stick around. They'll start Christmas music earlier and earlier each year until finally on Memorial Day they will feature the Top 500 Christmas songs Weekend. ( BTW,Is it only me that enjoys the irony of Neil Diamond and Barbara Striesand recording and making money off Christmas music?)Anyway...I digress.

A solid country station on a good signal would hurt Kix. I cannot believe everyone in the market is just giving that to them. If Froggy could have been heard in places other than Northernmost Miss. and the Hyatt Regency parking lot..that would have been a great race.

I think one of the major problems in the Memphis market is that the people in the market (ownership, marketing, AND programming) don't see the market nd ratings for what they are. It's 50% Urban. There are far fewer stations vying for that half of the pie than there are for the other half. How many urban/ethnic stations are there? How many non-ethnic stations are there?

Sadly, half the friggin' people answering diaries and such don't even know what damn station they were listening to last night or yesterday afternoon. When pushed, most people just blurt out (or write down) the first station that comes to mind for whatever reason. That's why you have "Heritage stations" in this and any market.
Make no mistake...just because it is a "Heritage Station" does not imply that it doesn't suck. Can you think of one that sucks?..I thought you could.

There should be some kind of test people have to pass before they are allowed to take part in ratings. There should be some limitations as to the number of clueless idiots that are surveyed. there is not. Your ratings are what they are and you have to consider the source.

Dollars make the difference. More often than not, an owner today wants the sales to look as great as possible so they can attract a larger company to buy it from them at a huge profit. They also want to be able to say that they took it from nowhere to the top to enhance reputation and future buying power.(Plus, stations cost less when they're in the tank)

Heritage doesn't matter. Office staff doesn't matter. On Air talent doesn't matter. Dollars matter. Even if we don't like it...we have to understand it.
You can't make the mortgage and car note with pride or integrity.
Belief in what you're doing will not, by itself, put the kids through college and braces.

So, get out there...figure out exactly whose butt to kiss...and make sure your head disappears if they stop too quickly.
HAHAHAHA!

When radio ceases to be fun...cease to do radio. That's what I did (with some help)

-Meep


> > There haven't been good stations in Boston since WRKO and
> > WBCN's heydays.
> >
> > heeheehee
> > Let's wait 6 months and Citadel will be sold...
> Infinity will probably leave town...
> Clear Channel will continue to hold the urban market.
> Entercom will still be here with WRVR playing sleepy AC
> music.
> Before the 6 month timeline, D&Z will flame out, because
> when things don't come up all roses, they get grumpy, nasty
> and very negative. And when the revenue doesn't come in
> like the expectation, budgets will be cut, expenses will be
> tightened and it will be hard to be Drake & Zeke on no
> money.
>
 
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