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DALLAS *AND* FT. WORTH

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Bob E. Nelson

The shutdown of R&R got me to pondering print media in our market (and, yes, this does involve radio).

The Ft. Worth Star-Telegram did make the ``Endangered Newspaper List'' published by Time magazine.

The original founder and publisher, Amon Carter's disdain for Dallas is the stuff of legends. He bucked relocating the WBAP-TV tower until NBC forced his hand. Yet, ultimately, Dallas-Ft. Worth became one television market. And, when the two separate radio markets were combined, that was the motivation for Gordon McLendon to build the Rockwall site for KLIF/1190, allowing it to reach into Tarrant County at night.

So, to our brethren in Ft. Worth and environs, after having been part of a combined market for the electronic media for decades, do you think it's inevitable that two major dailies remaining will also merge? The masthead might be a bit unwieldy, ``The Dallas-Ft. Worth Morning News-Star-Telegram''. Presuming that ever happens, what are the implications for broadcasters who would then compete with a single print entity?
 
You could call it "The DFW Times". I'm of the impression that with the wide growth of ALL the surrounding cities that the "Metro" in 10-20 years will be from Waco to Denton(South and North) and Tyler to Weatherford(East to West). That would make north Tx the largest market.
 
Bob E. Nelson said:
The shutdown of R&R got me to pondering print media in our market (and, yes, this does involve radio).

The Ft. Worth Star-Telegram did make the ``Endangered Newspaper List'' published by Time magazine.
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Bob,

It is being reported here, and elsewhere, that the Time Magazine article was fabricated. The Star is still making plenty of money, and won't be ceasing operations anytime soon.
 
It's McClatchy, the parent company of the S-T, that's deeply in debt and losing money. The S-T itself is still profitable.
 
scrtr84 said:
Bob E. Nelson said:
The shutdown of R&R got me to pondering print media in our market (and, yes, this does involve radio).

The Ft. Worth Star-Telegram did make the ``Endangered Newspaper List'' published by Time magazine.
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Bob,

It is being reported here, and elsewhere, that the Time Magazine article was fabricated. The Star is still making plenty of money, and won't be ceasing operations anytime soon.
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No!! :eek: ARe you saying that news magazine articles are fabricated? What do you take our media for? a bunch of idiots?

Oh, Thats right....They are! :D Sensational journalism at its best!
 
dallastech said:
scrtr84 said:
Bob E. Nelson said:
The shutdown of R&R got me to pondering print media in our market (and, yes, this does involve radio).

The Ft. Worth Star-Telegram did make the ``Endangered Newspaper List'' published by Time magazine.
Click to expand...

Bob,

It is being reported here, and elsewhere, that the Time Magazine article was fabricated. The Star is still making plenty of money, and won't be ceasing operations anytime soon.
Click to expand...


No!! :eek: ARe you saying that news magazine articles are fabricated? What do you take our media for? a bunch of idiots?

Oh, Thats right....They are! :D Sensational journalism at its best!
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You're putting words into my mouth, buddy.

I am saying it is being reported that this particular article in Time Magazine, was fabricated.

I did NOT say that I believed the article was fabricated, I said there are reports that it was.

Get it? Got it? Good. Try reading the posts on this board, a little slower.
 
scrtr84 said:
dallastech said:
scrtr84 said:
Bob E. Nelson said:
The shutdown of R&R got me to pondering print media in our market (and, yes, this does involve radio).

The Ft. Worth Star-Telegram did make the ``Endangered Newspaper List'' published by Time magazine.
Click to expand...

Bob,

It is being reported here, and elsewhere, that the Time Magazine article was fabricated. The Star is still making plenty of money, and won't be ceasing operations anytime soon.
Click to expand...


No!! :eek: ARe you saying that news magazine articles are fabricated? What do you take our media for? a bunch of idiots?

Oh, Thats right....They are! :D Sensational journalism at its best!
Click to expand...

You're putting words into my mouth, buddy.

I am saying it is being reported that this particular article in Time Magazine, was fabricated.

I did NOT say that I believed the article was fabricated, I said there are reports that it was.

Get it? Got it? Good. Try reading the posts on this board, a little slower.
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Dang your uptight....Learn to laugh...I wasn't taking a shot at you......I was making fun of MSM...... :p
 
dallastech said:
scrtr84 said:
dallastech said:
scrtr84 said:
Bob E. Nelson said:
The shutdown of R&R got me to pondering print media in our market (and, yes, this does involve radio).

The Ft. Worth Star-Telegram did make the ``Endangered Newspaper List'' published by Time magazine.
Click to expand...

Bob,

It is being reported here, and elsewhere, that the Time Magazine article was fabricated. The Star is still making plenty of money, and won't be ceasing operations anytime soon.
Click to expand...


No!! :eek: ARe you saying that news magazine articles are fabricated? What do you take our media for? a bunch of idiots?

Oh, Thats right....They are! :D Sensational journalism at its best!
Click to expand...

You're putting words into my mouth, buddy.

I am saying it is being reported that this particular article in Time Magazine, was fabricated.

I did NOT say that I believed the article was fabricated, I said there are reports that it was.

Get it? Got it? Good. Try reading the posts on this board, a little slower.
Click to expand...

Dang your uptight....Learn to laugh...I wasn't taking a shot at you......I was making fun of MSM...... :p
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The way you wrote it, suggests otherwise, in particular your comment suggesting that "I" take the media for a bunch of idiots. Now if you had written it this way: "So news magazine articles are fabricated? :eek: What does everyone take our media for? a bunch of idiots?" I would have laughed. :)

Please remember that the way words appear on the screen, doesn't always reflect intentions and / or meaning. 8)
 
Both papers are struggling but the Star Telegram seems to be the one that is not long for this world. Would Belo simply wait 'em out and let 'em die....or do like they did with the Times Herald and just buy them and shut it down.

Remember when they did this, there was no rechartering the Morning News into the "New Herald" or somesuch...

I can't imagine ANYONE actually BUYING a newspaper business right now, so I'd expect the Telegram to die a slow and painful death, while Belo stands by watching and waiting to grab everything that's left.

Looks to be an issue of not "if"...but "when".
 
I don't see any possible way that the papers could merge since both are owned by seperate corporate entities, neither of which are in any position to buy the other.
 
scrtr84 is right! The Fort Worth Star-Telegram is making a PROFIT and is one of the few papers keeping McClatchy afloat. The Dallas Morning News is the one to watch die a slow painful death. That paper is pathetic and Belo as a whole is in big trouble. Time Magazine is about as credible as The Onion... :-*
 
JBB said:
I don't see any possible way that the papers could merge since both are owned by seperate corporate entities, neither of which are in any position to buy the other.
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They may not be able to merge but they can certainly work together and pool their resources. Both papers already use an MLB reporter to cover the Rangers.

Did you happen to see the article in yesterday's Star-Tele Business section about TV stations using one pool cameraman for four stations? Local News Service out of Philadelphia provides the service. Those who have been in the news business know that using a pool reporter or photographer is nothing new, but not for spot and/or breaking news.

http://www.star-telegram.com/business/v-print/story/1419732.html

The days of consolidating news teams are here, be it TV, radio or newspaper.

dr
 
I thought when the Star-Telegram and Morning News decided to share content the agreement was:

1) For the Life/Entertainment/Arts section that DMN reporters would cover the East-o-plex and the S-T reporters would cover the West-o-plex and share the content.

2) For the Sports section that DMN would cover Stars and Mavs and S-T would cover the Rangers and both would cover the Cowboys on their own.
 
The Star has a metro area (FW side only) of over 2.5 million people, but it's ciruclation is only around 200,000. That's awful. They've cut staff like crazy and its building is for sale. I think it's in much more trouble than the DMN. Plus, it's just a horrible joke of a paper. The business section especially is laughable. All papers are dying, but the Star is in a freefall right now.
 
By that same logic the Dallas Morning News daily circulation has now dropped to just over 335,000 and the Dallas side holds roughly 4 million people.
 
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