Dallas - Ft.Worth Needs a Mainstream Hard Rock Station

[TheRover]

I think the point R-Bass is trying to make is that why there may be a core set of songs that 'everybody' loves, there's a huge difference of opinion on what is good, what you'll listen too AFTER that playlist is exhausted, once you've agreed on the Beatles, STones, Hendrix, Doors, etc...

Rover seems to be saying that 68-75 is the best. But being a generation or so behind him, I'd argue that the dinosaur rock bands of that era (The Black Sabbaths, Jethro Tulls etc) are old and tired, and that, for example, the "punk rock" era is much more interesting musically. The Clash, the Ramones, Talking Heads, Elvis Costello, etc ( in other words the early KDGE stuff) is better than a whole ton of stuff released 68-75.


And that's the great thing. Neithe rone of us is right. Neither one of us is wrong. As Mr Bass pointed out, it's all about opinion. And it's one thing to express your opinion and say I think 'my' era is better than 'your' era.

But to present it as fact? Gee, much of an ego there? Could that be any more arrogant?

Hey, I'm not "stuck" on 68-75... I was just braggin' on my teen years.... I like great Hard Rock from the 80's, 90's, and beyond too ! ! ! And not just the ol' dinosaurs, as you call them ! ! !

I like songs by "The Clash"... take "Rock The Casbah", "London Calling", and "This Is Radio Clash".
I love The Talking Heads, as well...."Psycho Killer", "Life During Wartime", and even "Once In A Lifetime"....
And from the band Offspring: "Time To Relax"/ "Nitro (Youth Energy)", "Bad Habit", and "Genocide"....
And stuff from Filter, Bush, & Cake.

It would.. be my opinion about which songs, by the many groups would be a good fit in a Hard Rock station vs. the playlist of a typical Classic Rock Hit stations.

"The core set of songs that everybody loves".... you must mean the overplayed "hits" that the masses all know, that are regulary played, to the exclusion of most of the rest of the artists' harder rockin' catalog..... There are plenty of Beatles, Stones & Doors songs that I would never play, on a Hard Rock Station. I -would- certainly play "Helter Skelter", "I Want You (She's So Heavy)", and "Carry That Weight" by The Beatles.
(I would not play "Hey Jude" or "The Long And Winding Road".)

My point is not argue "eras". It's my opinion that '68-'75 produced a greater wealth of timeless music, than did other eras. That doesn't need to be argued, and time will tell, which music will be sought after for generations to come. I feel confident that I can relate to great songs that Rock, and know the songs that don't rock, from any era. It is the selection of those songs that are great rockers, but that have not been played to death already, that an audience is looking for. An audience loves great rock, but finds the repetitive and shallow playlists of current rock radio to be unsatisfying.

One of the reasons FM radio in the late 60's and early 70's was so appealing, was that is was the anti-thesis of "AM" style programming. Some think that that appeal has gone from the public. It has not. There is a signifigant number of people, young and old, who are not happy with the "AM" format that has now been converted to "FM".

 

[Givers]

I want to here an Alternative Rock format on 94.5 again. minus the Lex and Terry

 

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[johnsummers]

Unfortunately I agree with John,however the very short playlist KLUV has needs to open up quite a bit. When I tune in to stations I am still hearing Steam's "Kiss him Goodbye" ,and the "Guess Who's
These eyes" at almost the same time every single day. If you want to hear "white room" By Cream and "All along the watchtower" By Hendrix on the Bone,just wait a minute.

(LOL) .....at least you're consistant, 'Plex!

 

[Robert Bass]

Speaking of same-songs-at-the-same-time-of-day... I recall an old column from the great Al Brumley on this topic. It came out when Brinkman was the PD at KLUV. Al mentioned some people claimed they could set their watches based on KLUV's playlist.

R

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

I remember that! Well John, its true.I tune into Debi at certains times. and THERE'S STEAM! I listen to Bob and I hear "These eyes" Next time they play them have them do a shout out for me ;D

 

[johnsummers]

You guys know the old addage.....perception is reality. If a particular song or songs just grates on you for whatever reason, you perceive that it's playing every time you listen even if it isn't. We get the occasional e-mail from a listener saying that we play a particular song EVERY HOUR!! (LOL) Those songs play every day but never consecutively in the same daypart. One exception would be during the All-Request cafe or Drive At Five when someone actually asks for them and they're played out of rotation.

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

John..John..John it has happen more times than your all request shows. I don't expect you to fess up and say "yeah". Speaking of the "drive at five",etc. You pretty much hear the same callers. By chance are they "banked' at times? None the less you're doing fine in the ratings,however if someone wanted to truly put forth an effort and the bankroll for another station to go head to head with KLUV,I am sure it would give you a great run for your money.

 

[Robert Bass]

All request lunch hour eh?

OK I have one...

Play Misty for me.

Oooopssss!!! Errrrrr.... ha ha

R

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[TheRover]

All Request Lunch Hour.......

Should be all-request most of the time anyway !

And Live Requests too!

 

[TheRover]

I still say that Dallas -Ft. Worth needs a "ROCK" station outlet, in addition to hit-single radio oulets, or Classic Rock, as it's called.

I'm beginning to loose faith in the market. Is the DFW listening area so thin and shallow as to only want the hit singles, and not the other great music, that is not released as a "single"??

Maybe someday soon, when our Spanish population grows even larger, the DFW area will be able to support a KISS-FM station, as San Antonio does.

I pray that Cox and Entravision get a better hold of this market, to wrench the "pop" ideaology out if it's roots somehow..

 

[little1]

I'm beginning to loose faith in the market. Is the DFW listening area so thin and shallow as to only want the hit singles, and not the other great music, that is not released as a "single"??

It's a simple matter of time spent listening...Your average station in this market has a relatively short TSL...Which means that you may only get that listener for a half hour on teh drive in to work, and 45 minutes on the drive home...

So the problem facing the Program or music director, 'Do I really want to play a bunch of unfamiliar music in that half hour, or do I want to play the hits?'

You personally, and some other 'music' fans may want to hear the deep cuts...But research has shown over and over and over and over again, widen the playlist, TSL goes down, tighten up the playlist by playing the hits, TSL goes up...

So if your paycheck depended on what the ratings do, what do you do?

 

[CW]

With all due respect to THeRover, what you describe is anything but 'mainstream'. You're asking for a major market commercial radio station that plays music for you, and you alone. Unfortunately, what you consider to be 'cool songs' may not be cool to enough other people to make it commercially viable. And that, my friend, is the bottom line.

Look John, I really do know what "Rocks", and I'm really not "alone" in loving music that rocks. Just because the masses are full of shallow listeners does not change my taste in music ! ! I know my generation, and we like music that makes a social statement. And we like the music to be good, and not whiny.

My teenage years (1968-1975) beats your teenage years for great rock music that R-O-C-K-S ! Young kinds today would rock out as well. There is so much more to rock to, that is as good as and better than the massed playlists of Classic Rock stations.

John is (at least I think) trying to tell you the same thing I did awhile back. You're using an opinion for what types of music "rocks", as a fact. You like the rock from the Mid 60's to the Mid 70's, and that's great. But claiming that period of time produced more great rock music than any other "is an opinion". What you define as "cool" music, others will say it sucks. C'est la vie.

R

I was a top40 DJ in the 70s.....and I even liked "top40" music from the 80s, 90s, and the late 60s (grew up listening to the Monkees, CCR, etc on my brothers LPs....big records to you young ones
Heck some rock from the 70 that didnt get much play on the air (top40 or AOR) was pretty good...as an example, "Rock of the Westies" by Elton John had several good songs on it that hardly got any air play....but I still crank up the bass when they play.....

As for a mainstream rock/AOR for DFW, that died with the Eagle or Q102....too bad, but thats radio

 

[little1]

...as an example, "Rock of the Westies" by Elton John had several good songs on it that hardly got any air play....but I still crank up the bass when they play.....

As for a mainstream rock/AOR for DFW, that died with the Eagle or Q102....too bad, but thats radio

Okay, since you bring up ROck of the Westies, I'll use that for MY example...
If 'you' are programming a station, and your choices are something from ROTW (like Grow some funk of your own or "I feel like a bullet in the gun of robert frost' or a better know EJ song like croc rock, Bennie, Bitch, etc, do you play the deep cuts that might be a tune out for most people, or do you play the song that most people know and 'like'?

 

[Robert Bass]

You personally, and some other 'music' fans may want to hear the deep cuts...But research has shown over and over and over and over again, widen the playlist, TSL goes down, tighten up the playlist by playing the hits, TSL goes up...

I'm seeing it the other way around. Widen the playlist and TSL rises, while cume drops, and vice versa.

R

 

[CW]

...as an example, "Rock of the Westies" by Elton John had several good songs on it that hardly got any air play....but I still crank up the bass when they play.....

As for a mainstream rock/AOR for DFW, that died with the Eagle or Q102....too bad, but thats radio

Okay, since you bring up ROck of the Westies, I'll use that for MY example...
If 'you' are programming a station, and your choices are something from ROTW (like Grow some funk of your own or "I feel like a bullet in the gun of robert frost' or a better know EJ song like croc rock, Bennie, Bitch, etc, do you play the deep cuts that might be a tune out for most people, or do you play the song that most people know and 'like'?

Easy! Double shot with one of both remember Bullet in the Gun of Robert FORD (not Frost) was a mild hit on top40 and AOR in the 70s...not a big one but did get airplay...not as much as Island Girl off same LP...
And Robert Ford was the man who shot Jesse James in the back after being on his gang for a while to claim the reward from the Governor.

 

[little1]

I'm seeing it the other way around. Widen the playlist and TSL rises, while cume drops, and vice versa.

R

When you say you're seeing it the other way around, do you have anything to back that up, or is that your opinion on what you think SHOULD happen?

Because widening the playlist and seing TSL rise flys completely against what gazillion of stations have reported from actual programming in recent years...
Okay I lied. It mightnot be a gazillion it might be a bajillion.
(Side note- anybody heard the one about when GWB was told that 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed in Iraq his question was "How many are in a Brazilian?" )

Seriously, research has shown time after time after time, that if you start playing more unfamiliar cuts, TSL goes down...

Look at the old Top-40 powerhouses- WLS for example, God-awful TSL, but huge cume. Kiss 106 now, same thing...their TSL is pitiful, but their cume is gia-normous...

 

[Robert Bass]

I'm seeing it the other way around. Widen the playlist and TSL rises, while cume drops, and vice versa.

R

When you say you're seeing it the other way around, do you have anything to back that up, or is that your opinion on what you think SHOULD happen?

Because widening the playlist and seing TSL rise flys completely against what gazillion of stations have reported from actual programming in recent years...
Okay I lied. It mightnot be a gazillion it might be a bajillion.
(Side note- anybody heard the one about when GWB was told that 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed in Iraq his question was "How many are in a Brazilian?" )

Seriously, research has shown time after time after time, that if you start playing more unfamiliar cuts, TSL goes down...

Look at the old Top-40 powerhouses- WLS for example, God-awful TSL, but huge cume. Kiss 106 now, same thing...their TSL is pitiful, but their cume is gia-normous...

It is based on the Arbitron ratings, at least for KEOM anyway. The books have consistantly shown that the larger our list gets, the more TSL we get while cume drops. When we shrink the list, TSL falls and cume goes up. Of course I am sure other factors are involved, but the fact is this is the trend for KEOM.

R