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DANCE MUSIC....OKAY PHILLY, YOU ARE NEXT!

Just because someone doesnt try something doesnt mean it wont work. Trying new things in different markets isnt a bad thing. No one thought alternative rock was needed here....104.5 had huge ratings immediatley.I didnt think a talk format would work on WYSP...I,along with many others, didnt think it had a snowballs chance of hell.The format was a huge ratings disaster here. My point is every market is different. This is why radio has become so drab and not fun anymore.Everyone playing the same music with no personality. Dance is fun and full of energy.......why not give it a chance?
 
CHRles said:
It might not fit at a Dr.'s office when you're getting a root canal, but neither will Hip Hop or Active Rock.

I was getting a root canal a month ago to the sounds of "Tha-tha-tha that don't keeel me, can only make me stronger" and "So baby girrrl put it on meeeeeeee" BLASTING through the office. Lately, dentists are trying to change their tune, so to speak ;D
 
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I totally understand why you had to do this. If the hate has to continue...let it go in there. Thanks.
 
George Brusstar said:
When you've heard one Daft Punk song you've really heard them all.

Errr.....excuse me, but if you think that all electronic music sounds like Daft Punk, then you are sadly misinformed. There are so many different subgenres of electronic music...so many songs that sound completely different - you can't just make a blanket statement like that. I can give you a number of examples - ranging from freestyle, to house, to progressive trance, techno, electro, minimal, breaks, dnb, hardcore.....each of these genres alone sound completely different. Then there's all the little sub-genres in between.....I'll be more than happy to give examples if you'd like, but I think someone already did that in this thread.

For the record, I used to live in Philly.....I also used to work in radio there (long time ago)....which is why I am even in this area of the forums in the first place - just wanted to see what was happening in radio over there and this particular thread stood out to me. Also perhaps because outside of my stint in radio, I also dj, produce music, and on the rare occasion produce events.

I´m just curious as to why some people on this board feel that dance music would not be 'viable' in a city like Philadelphia? It was at one time. It seems to be coming back, as demonstrated by the producers I know who are coming out of that city. Do you know who Josh Wink is? He's probably one of Philly's biggest exports in dance music right now. Is it because you people posting the negative stuff in this thread obviously don't like this kind of music, or is it because you genuinely feel it will not work? See, this was one of the issues I always had with radio - no one is ever willing to try something new. If you don't try something new, how will you honestly know that it won't work?

I see everyone's argument whenever someone suggests something like this - trying something new won't work. How can you just assume that? Maybe it would. But someone should at least be willing to give it a try. If you hire the right people to program and run the station, it possibly could work....maybe. Is it because the corporations that own the stations are dictating what you are allowed to play and you have no choice but to go along with it? If so, that's really a shame.....I mean, I look at a company like Clear Channel and am left wondering how they can produce the LARGEST, most well known electronic music party in a small country like Belgium, which pulls in roughly 50000 people every year from all parts of the world, yet they can't push dance music in the US, where electronic music was practically invented (Detroit techno anyone?). Same goes for MTV - they play music videos for dance music and sponsor HUGE events here, as do non-media companies...mainly alcohol, but you get the occasional car company too. Dance music is definitely marketable if you have people pushing it that know what they are doing.

One other thing I want to know - why does Philly have to have ummm....what are they up to now....3, maybe 4 stations playing hiphop? Is this what has become of the music industry in the US? Bling bling? I'm all for listening to all genres of music (and I DO listen to a bit of everything), but why have so much of one genre dominating the airwaves?

Ok, I´m done now.....I´m neither for nor against the idea of Philly having a dance station...just wanted to post my .02 euros ;)
 
Quote from: George Brusstar on February 21, 2008, 03:08:47 am
When you've heard one Daft Punk song you've really heard them all.


Errr.....excuse me, but if you think that all electronic music sounds like Daft Punk, then you are sadly misinformed.

Where did George say that every "dance" song sounds like Daft Punk? All he's saying is that all Daft Punk songs sound the same.

I am misinformed in this genre of music, and I'm proud to say that. I don't have anything against it. I'm just not into it.

Unfortunately for you (and folks like you), consolidated radio looks to appeal to the masses. Dance music will never be a mass appeal genre. You might not like it, but it's reality.
 
Please stop posting defenses for dance music. The people on this board do not care and are anti-dance music. Most of the people on this board do not understand the genre. Trying to defend an argument about this genre on this board is like banging your head against a brick wall. You have three stations in the area that play it be happy with that. And I thought the RJ posts were bad
 
Kyle D said:
Quote from: George Brusstar on February 21, 2008, 03:08:47 am
When you've heard one Daft Punk song you've really heard them all.


Errr.....excuse me, but if you think that all electronic music sounds like Daft Punk, then you are sadly misinformed.

Where did George say that every "dance" song sounds like Daft Punk? All he's saying is that all Daft Punk songs sound the same.

I am misinformed in this genre of music, and I'm proud to say that. I don't have anything against it. I'm just not into it.

Unfortunately for you (and folks like you), consolidated radio looks to appeal to the masses. Dance music will never be a mass appeal genre. You might not like it, but it's reality.

So you're not into dance music...that is totally cool and your opinion, which you are entitled to....I'm not here to force people to like the music - just pointing out the gross misconceptions of some people who think all of this music sounds the same.

I am also well aware of how 'consolidated radio' works....I worked in radio for 6 years - I think that's long enough to have a clue. I eventually went to work in broadcast television because I personally didn't care for what I was seeing in commercial radio - that, and I wanted to make more money ;) I eventually left both industries to come here and dedicate my life to my music, but I still keep up with what is going on in both radio and tv just in case I ever find myself back on the other side of the pond and want to go back to it.

For me, I could give a rats ass whether or not Philly has a dance station, I don't even live there anymore, but just read through this thread and found it to be particularly amusing......

That is all. Carry on.
 
Dancerev889 said:
Please stop posting defenses for dance music. The people on this board do not care and are anti-dance music. Most of the people on this board do not understand the genre. Trying to defend an argument about this genre on this board is like banging your head against a brick wall. You have three stations in the area that play it be happy with that. And I thought the RJ posts were bad

Excuse me, but this is a public forum, so I don't think you are in any position to start telling people what they can and can't say.

I read this thread, I saw a few misconceptions about the genre.....whether or not people choose to read it is their business. I am allowed to post an opinion, just the same as anyone else here who is for or against the music.....end of story.

I don't see anywhere under your name that says moderator, [EDIT];D


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Why is it, when I think of "dance music", I see a bunch of anorexic DJ's, hepped up on X, doing a chorus line to their Oakenfold CD's? In "bottom"-less chaps??? ?
 
Rockin Rob said:
Why is it, when I think of "dance music", I see a bunch of anorexic DJ's, hepped up on X, doing a chorus line to their Oakenfold CD's? In "bottom"-less chaps??? ?

Because, unfortunately in the US, this is how dance music has been portrayed in the media anytime they've ever decided to do any kind of reporting on it. As someone who has been djing for 15 years, I can't even deny that yes, there is the dark aspect to the dance music industry, but it's not all about that. You know, there's just as many people getting wrecked at rock events too, so to even think it´s limited to dance music is another big misconception people have. Plenty of artists don't get caught up in the bs of sitting there popping pills either...but if the news media spent half the time focusing on those people, then it would be kind of boring for them....the news media always likes to blow things out of proportion. But ehhh, that´s nothing new....

Btw, I retired my bottomless chaps the minute I retired my Oakenfold cds....about 10 years ago :D
 
Want to know what I find so amazing? That this thread really turned up the heat! :D

It was supposed to "die" off, especially after some of the hateful comments were moved over to "Take It Outside" and yet the talk still strikes a nerve on the "haters". This post marks number 80 actually. At first the hate was rather disgusting...now I find it pathetic in a bizarrely funny way! :D The ignorance is just too rampant!

As soon as I get home, I'm going to print all of these posts and hold on to 'em. Because WHEN (read WHEN...and not IF) Philadelphia gets a commercial standard rhythmic outlet, I'll come down to Philly, wave these posts up and down all over center city to show the dance fans all of the hate!

I support Brett and what he is doing....and with DJ Becka here, we're pretty much on the same side.

Being an activist, guess I'm doing my job and it's affecting!!!
 
Look, I didn't mean to come in here and stir up anything.....all I really wanted to do was read the thread since I play and produce electronic music and was curious as to what was happening in my home city - upon reading this thread I found it disturbing some of the misconceptions some of you people have. This is nothing new to me though - it was actually a big part of my decision to move to the EU - but I still feel that unless people, such as myself, speak up, the ones who have these false assumptions will continue to be ignorant about the music. Some say ignorance is bliss.....but if I can get even one person to really open their mind and their ears, then at the end of the day, that's all that matters to me.

Oh, and apologies for the inflammatory comments earlier.....you can take the girl out of Philly, but you can't take the Philly out of the girl ;)
 
Here is the bottom line. I run a station thats main format is mostly dance music. However, fighting on here is not going to get you anywhere. This board is made up of people that are passionate about radio and some of us still work in the industry. The decision makers are not posting on here. You want dance music in Philly or other markets, you need to show the success stories. Are these stations doing well in the ratings books and are they making money? Any format has potential if you can prove that it will do well. Maybe Pulse in New York will be successful, but its too early to tell. Again instead of wanting more, support what you got right now. You got two in the area and support the ones in New York.
 
Dancerev889 said:
Here is the bottom line. I run a station thats main format is mostly dance music. However, fighting on here is not going to get you anywhere. This board is made up of people that are passionate about radio and some of us still work in the industry. The decision makers are not posting on here. You want dance music in Philly or other markets, you need to show the success stories. Are these stations doing well in the ratings books and are they making money? Any format has potential if you can prove that it will do well. Maybe Pulse in New York will be successful, but its too early to tell. Again instead of wanting more, support what you got right now. You got two in the area and support the ones in New York.

AMEN!
 
Hey Tony, "YOU ARE AN ACTIVIST"!!!!! let me give you the definition of the word activism:a doctrin or practice that emphasizes direct vigorous action esp, in support of or opposition to one side of a controversial issue" Dance music is a controversial issue? it does not impinge my life one iota, nor anyone els on this board if there is or isn't a FRIGGIN DANCE MUSIC STATION.people just think it's funny and entertaining, not controversial. if this is the only thing that gives your life meaning, MAN, that's sad!!! I couldn't care if anyone likes or dislikes my music or my show. if they like it, they will listen. if not, then soooooo what.there is an audience for every genre. what are you, a dance music hitler. you want to shove this crappy music down everybodys throat and take over the world. maaaaaaaaaaaan wise up.
 
With the crucial Pennsylvania Democratic primary upcoming, I hear Barack and Hillary are going to work on some heavy campaigning in Philadelphia to try and gain the valuable dance listener vote!
 
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