And I heard that Hillary was going to one of the clubs and shake her groooooove thaaaaang. lol lol lol lol
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DANCE MUSIC....OKAY PHILLY, YOU ARE NEXT!
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DJ Becka said:
Very simple explanation:
The "dance station" discussion has been going on on these boards (and going back to the old AOL radio boards) for about 13 or 14 years. For quite a few years, EVERY time an underperforming station would be discussed, a dance music fan would come on the board and say, "Hey, I have a GREAT idea for a new format the station can try!!" And, after a while, it just became, "Oh, God. THIS discussion again."
Then, it became a fun little parody: "pHiLLy nEEdZ a dAnZ sTaYsHuN mE n mY fReNz wUd LiSSn lolchzbrgrz w00t!" ;D
Then, the discussion comes up again, and it's like..... "But, wait. We already did - and parodied - this."
The Philly dance stations are already on the air, in the form of the suburban non-comm stations doing the format part-time, as well as another broadcast method that a person or two ("Perhaps more than that, gentlemen!") has been known to mock here and there. ("People shouldn't listen to it because... people aren't listening to it." Wow... Good argument :
)And OBAMA was buying himself some gold chains and XXL pants and visit the clubs. and DStroyer, people shouldn't listen to it because it is popular to listen to.
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DStroyer said:
Oh, and let's not forget about the kid who compounds the insanity every time a rock station - or a station possibly flipping to rock - is discussed, when he posts, "IT WILL BE A FAILURE (EVEN IN ROCKSBORO). PHILADELPHIA ALREADY HAS EIGHTEEN ROCK STATIONS, SEVENTEEN OF WHICH ARE COMPLETE AND TOTAL FAILURES."
doowopvault said:
Hitting the ignore button.....doowopvault
I don't feel like ending up back on the "Take It Outside" board due to one's ignorance. Everyone else, I will be more than happy to discuss. I actually don't mind hearing opposing opinions as long as it is done with a certain decorum of having an open mind. TRANSLATION: Discuss rationally about why dance music can't work in Philly....just to say it sucks and that all dance music fans are a bunch of a-bleeps makes you look very ignorant and stupid. But hey, can't stop those that are going to come off that way...their answers decide it for everyone else.
DStroyer said:Very simple explanation:
The "dance station" discussion has been going on on these boards (and going back to the old AOL radio boards) for about 13 or 14 years. For quite a few years, EVERY time an underperforming station would be discussed, a dance music fan would come on the board and say, "Hey, I have a GREAT idea for a new format the station can try!!" And, after a while, it just became, "Oh, God. THIS discussion again."
Then, it became a fun little parody: "pHiLLy nEEdZ a dAnZ sTaYsHuN mE n mY fReNz wUd LiSSn lolchzbrgrz w00t!" ;D
Then, the discussion comes up again, and it's like..... "But, wait. We already did - and parodied - this."
The Philly dance stations are already on the air, in the form of the suburban non-comm stations doing the format part-time, as well as another broadcast method that a person or two ("Perhaps more than that, gentlemen!") has been known to mock here and there. ("People shouldn't listen to it because... people aren't listening to it." Wow... Good argument :
I am aware of this now (didn't know the "joke" before).
This time around, we are trying to develop and come off with our stance in a more rational and mature manner. I also feel that the majority of the attitudes reflected on the responses, I believe, are just a "microcosm" of the Greater Philadelphia area in general. There are dance music fans out there and they most likely ARE listening to Z88.9 and Super 91.7. And for dance music fans....yes, support those stations just like we're supporting the New York outlets.
If people were angry based on the past posts, I can actually understand it. But this time around, we're going about this in a different manner and at the very LEAST, have a meaningful discussion, even if we agree NEVER to agree.
I'm surprised, based on the controversy of this topic, that the Inquirer or Daily News didn't pick up on this. If they have a radio/entertainment writer on staff...I'd love to talk to them about this.
It's obviously stirred up enough raw emotions in here. Is this the highest amount of posts on the Philly board regarding a forum???
DANS MYOOZIK....SUX!!!!!!!
Let's not forget the prime time for this garbage, which was before "the big split". We had thought many of the "dans myoosik" fluf-a-nutters would go over to "the other board" (and, yes, some actually became Mods over there). Until now, this was the safe haven away from the "filly needs a dans stayshun" rubbish. Most of us are sad to see the cesspool starting to rise again. The "rockheads" have been called close-minded and that, if we only gave it a chance, we'd be converts as well. I did try it (I have XM and Music Choice on Verizon Fios TV) and think the music absolutely sucks. Does it make me old or close-minded? I don't think so. The "dans myoosik" crowd thinks that, but I remind myself that this is America and we are still allowed to think and make our own choices in life, especially when it comes to our music.
And, ummmmm, I use music when it comes to dance very lightly, almost tongue-in-cheek.
DStroyer said:DJ Becka said:
Very simple explanation:
The "dance station" discussion has been going on on these boards (and going back to the old AOL radio boards) for about 13 or 14 years. For quite a few years, EVERY time an underperforming station would be discussed, a dance music fan would come on the board and say, "Hey, I have a GREAT idea for a new format the station can try!!" And, after a while, it just became, "Oh, God. THIS discussion again."
Then, it became a fun little parody: "pHiLLy nEEdZ a dAnZ sTaYsHuN mE n mY fReNz wUd LiSSn lolchzbrgrz w00t!" ;D
Then, the discussion comes up again, and it's like..... "But, wait. We already did - and parodied - this."
The Philly dance stations are already on the air, in the form of the suburban non-comm stations doing the format part-time, as well as another broadcast method that a person or two ("Perhaps more than that, gentlemen!") has been known to mock here and there. ("People shouldn't listen to it because... people aren't listening to it." Wow... Good argument :
Let's not forget the prime time for this garbage, which was before "the big split". We had thought many of the "dans myoosik" fluf-a-nutters would go over to "the other board" (and, yes, some actually became Mods over there). Until now, this was the safe haven away from the "filly needs a dans stayshun" rubbish. Most of us are sad to see the cesspool starting to rise again. The "rockheads" have been called close-minded and that, if we only gave it a chance, we'd be converts as well. I did try it (I have XM and Music Choice on Verizon Fios TV) and think the music absolutely sucks. Does it make me old or close-minded? I don't think so. The "dans myoosik" crowd thinks that, but I remind myself that this is America and we are still allowed to think and make our own choices in life, especially when it comes to our music.
And, ummmmm, I use music when it comes to dance very lightly, almost tongue-in-cheek.
Re: DANS MYOOZIK....SUX!!!!!!!
I'm not trying to convert you Rob nor do I WANT to convert you.
You like your music and that is fine...I can respect that. You don't have to be a fan of dance music, but at the very least respect those that have a positive opinion on it on these and other boards, even if you hate it and wish all of us dance music fans dived off the Ben Franklin Bridge. We don't have to agree with each other, but show some sort of respect regarding thoughts. That's all.
Rockin Rob said:
I'm not trying to convert you Rob nor do I WANT to convert you.
You like your music and that is fine...I can respect that. You don't have to be a fan of dance music, but at the very least respect those that have a positive opinion on it on these and other boards, even if you hate it and wish all of us dance music fans dived off the Ben Franklin Bridge. We don't have to agree with each other, but show some sort of respect regarding thoughts. That's all.
Re: DANS MYOOZIK....SUX!!!!!!!
I´ll go back and read what I wrote again, but I´m pretty sure that nowhere in my earlier comments did I say give it a chance in hopes that you would be converted....I simply wanted to point out the gross misconception that you people have about all dance music sounding the same (which it doesn't) - that's all. Oh, and just to ask the simple question of why you all thought it was not a viable format - not in hopes of really changing anyone's mind, but just to satisfy my own curiosity. As I stated before, I worked in radio for a bit....I know the politics of how stations operate, but it still was one thing I never could understand about the industry as a whole - people just never seemed to be that open minded....more just went along with whatever they were told to do by the powers that be. I could ask why it has to be that way, but that's a whole other discussion....
Music is a subjective thing, but I think anyone should be open minded enough when it comes to listening to any kind of music - not restricting it to just dance music. You seem to be open minded enough....you gave dance music a shot, and you didn't like it. That's totally cool and your business. I don't think it´s really fair for you to make fun of other people for liking what they like though....just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you should put them down. I don't recall seeing any of the dance music enthusiasts on here putting you down because you like rock music. And why should we? If you took a look in my music collection, I think you'd be quite surprised at the various other things I listen to. Tool is actually one of my favorite rock bands.....my favorite jazz song is Take 5.....hiphop, I could live without, although I do like the older stuff like Tribe Called Quest, Run DMC....I even listen to Yes, The Rolling Stones...so many other bands. My favorite concert of all time was Phil Collins at the Tower Theater (Tina Turner comes in close second, followed by Sigur Ros). I could go on, but I think you get the picture. The fact that I am open minded enough to listen to other music, influences the sounds I create in my own....
Contrary to what you believe, not everyone who listens to and supports dance music is an e-tarded idiot....this is yet another assumption people make about this music. I play and produce dance music....it takes some level of intelligence to use all those analog machines and learn different software programs to make a song. I also use live elements and instruments in my music....and the occasional vocal too....so despite what you might think, dance music (and yes, I consider it music) isn't all about loops, samples, and machines....it's more about how big your imagination is and how far you are willing to push the limits with the tools available to you
Again, sorry for stirring up this conversation again.....I didn't realize this has been discussed before....nor that it was such a heated topic....
Rockin Rob said:
I´ll go back and read what I wrote again, but I´m pretty sure that nowhere in my earlier comments did I say give it a chance in hopes that you would be converted....I simply wanted to point out the gross misconception that you people have about all dance music sounding the same (which it doesn't) - that's all. Oh, and just to ask the simple question of why you all thought it was not a viable format - not in hopes of really changing anyone's mind, but just to satisfy my own curiosity. As I stated before, I worked in radio for a bit....I know the politics of how stations operate, but it still was one thing I never could understand about the industry as a whole - people just never seemed to be that open minded....more just went along with whatever they were told to do by the powers that be. I could ask why it has to be that way, but that's a whole other discussion....
Music is a subjective thing, but I think anyone should be open minded enough when it comes to listening to any kind of music - not restricting it to just dance music. You seem to be open minded enough....you gave dance music a shot, and you didn't like it. That's totally cool and your business. I don't think it´s really fair for you to make fun of other people for liking what they like though....just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you should put them down. I don't recall seeing any of the dance music enthusiasts on here putting you down because you like rock music. And why should we? If you took a look in my music collection, I think you'd be quite surprised at the various other things I listen to. Tool is actually one of my favorite rock bands.....my favorite jazz song is Take 5.....hiphop, I could live without, although I do like the older stuff like Tribe Called Quest, Run DMC....I even listen to Yes, The Rolling Stones...so many other bands. My favorite concert of all time was Phil Collins at the Tower Theater (Tina Turner comes in close second, followed by Sigur Ros). I could go on, but I think you get the picture. The fact that I am open minded enough to listen to other music, influences the sounds I create in my own....
Contrary to what you believe, not everyone who listens to and supports dance music is an e-tarded idiot....this is yet another assumption people make about this music. I play and produce dance music....it takes some level of intelligence to use all those analog machines and learn different software programs to make a song. I also use live elements and instruments in my music....and the occasional vocal too....so despite what you might think, dance music (and yes, I consider it music) isn't all about loops, samples, and machines....it's more about how big your imagination is and how far you are willing to push the limits with the tools available to you
Again, sorry for stirring up this conversation again.....I didn't realize this has been discussed before....nor that it was such a heated topic....
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Once again i work at z889(dance).I think the arguement dance all sounds the same is valid and not. I DJ at a club that plays rock, dance, hip hop and R and B...people often come up to me during dance sets and say it all sounds the same. I have people do the same during rock sets.I dont care for hip hop or R and B...often i think it all sounds the same. My point? Whatever music a person doesnt like all sounds the same to them(country a good example???).I know for a fact that Z889 has a huge following. If a commercial station in the area with a good signal tried dance the results would surprise the Philly-Dance haters. Look at 104.5 it has had success here after everyone said alternative rock has no place in Philly. They would have continued moving up in the numbers but unfortunatly for them WYSP returned to rock and now there are 4 rock stations in Philly.
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Tony:
You have mixed up the stations...
WBZO is B 103.1 out of Bay Shore, NY and that's an oldies station....Z 88.9 is WBZC and not WBZO.
Do try to remember that.
Tony:
You have mixed up the stations...
WBZO is B 103.1 out of Bay Shore, NY and that's an oldies station....Z 88.9 is WBZC and not WBZO.
Do try to remember that.
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I stand corrected. Thanks!
BJ Steigner said:
I stand corrected. Thanks!
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DANCE MUSIC BITES THE DUST---IT DOESN'T SELL --IT DOESN'T DRAW AN AUDIENCE---IT'S A FLOP. INCIDENTLY , THE OLD WCAU-FM DID TRY DANCE---THEY CALLED THEIR FORMAT FASCINATIN RYTHEM. IT NEVER TOOK OFF.
DANCE MUSIC SELLS FEW CDS' AND DRAWS FEW PEOPLE ON DOWNLOADS. MAYBE IT WOULD WORK IN HAYSEED KENTUCKY BUT NOT IN GREAT TOWN LIKE PHILLY. DANCE MUSIC IS YUCKO!
DANCE MUSIC SELLS FEW CDS' AND DRAWS FEW PEOPLE ON DOWNLOADS. MAYBE IT WOULD WORK IN HAYSEED KENTUCKY BUT NOT IN GREAT TOWN LIKE PHILLY. DANCE MUSIC IS YUCKO!
NEWSIEAL said:
Personal opinion. The music does sell and does quite well on downloads. As the owners of beatport how they are doing. It also does well on Itunes. You have no clue about the genre so go back to Kentucky and do your research
As frank zappa once said:As long as people want to get laid, there will always be night clubs.
As far as TODAY's Dance Music, I cannot speak, But for the Disco era, I can say with experience that the devote's of the genre don't support it. Not like country or oldies.
This past October, Wildwood Convention Center hosted their Fabulous Fifties Weekend. Total sell-out for Bobby Rydell, Little Anthony...opened the "Starlight Ballroom" with a live video feed...sold-out. Over 6,000 tickets (at $50) for an event in the dead of the season when it's a ghosttown. Hotels/restaurants were filled...in October.
In July, when the Island was packed, the very peak of the season, the same Center hosted a Disco Dance Party with Peaches & Herb, The Trammps, Blue Notes, more...and could not sell 600 seats. Less than 10% of ticket sales at the height of the tourist season.
But I have a thought for home of for format. How 'bout "WIZZARD 100-HD".
This past October, Wildwood Convention Center hosted their Fabulous Fifties Weekend. Total sell-out for Bobby Rydell, Little Anthony...opened the "Starlight Ballroom" with a live video feed...sold-out. Over 6,000 tickets (at $50) for an event in the dead of the season when it's a ghosttown. Hotels/restaurants were filled...in October.
In July, when the Island was packed, the very peak of the season, the same Center hosted a Disco Dance Party with Peaches & Herb, The Trammps, Blue Notes, more...and could not sell 600 seats. Less than 10% of ticket sales at the height of the tourist season.
But I have a thought for home of for format. How 'bout "WIZZARD 100-HD".
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happy easter to all . alot of very interesting comment.
Actually you bring up something VERY interesting amfmsw, and based on the talk in here from previous posts, here is my take. I sense that a couple of posters here think of today's dance music as DISCO.
Most of you reference your displeasure to dance music based on the disco era. And in those days it was "cool" for rockers to bash the music with the "disco sucks" mentality and to an extent, that mentality has always been there..inherently. Most of those people with that mentality are in high management positions in radio stations today, which is in part why the music will never get it's fair shake unless someone "calls" out.
As such, today's dance music is NOT disco. It's a culmination of a variety of sounds. And yes, there are dance tracks out there with lyrics...it's not just all synthesized computers with programmed beats. Music purists are going to argue that it isn't music without people actually performing with instruments, but then again, we're in the 21st century so that sort of thinking shouldn't be restricted.
To that, I do understand that the mentality of this specific forum is anti-dance. But that mentality does not purely represent those that live in the area. You do have people that will support dance music and do so with Brett's station as well as WMPH in Wilmington; they'll handle what has to be done in the Philly area since it is their market.
But I will say this...WHEN (not if) Philadelphia gets a rhythmic station on the commercial band, I will go down and celebrate alongside all of my "brothers and sisters" in dance music.
Trust me, I was used to the "doubters" laying it on me in New York City for years. After the loss of CBS-FM to "Jack" for a bit, and getting Pulse 87 to happen, the doubters have actually become "supportive" because I never gave up. And I have no intention of giving up Philly. But, I'll let the powers that be that handle dance music in the region do their job...and if more has to be done, I'll be there in full support.
Most of you reference your displeasure to dance music based on the disco era. And in those days it was "cool" for rockers to bash the music with the "disco sucks" mentality and to an extent, that mentality has always been there..inherently. Most of those people with that mentality are in high management positions in radio stations today, which is in part why the music will never get it's fair shake unless someone "calls" out.
As such, today's dance music is NOT disco. It's a culmination of a variety of sounds. And yes, there are dance tracks out there with lyrics...it's not just all synthesized computers with programmed beats. Music purists are going to argue that it isn't music without people actually performing with instruments, but then again, we're in the 21st century so that sort of thinking shouldn't be restricted.
To that, I do understand that the mentality of this specific forum is anti-dance. But that mentality does not purely represent those that live in the area. You do have people that will support dance music and do so with Brett's station as well as WMPH in Wilmington; they'll handle what has to be done in the Philly area since it is their market.
But I will say this...WHEN (not if) Philadelphia gets a rhythmic station on the commercial band, I will go down and celebrate alongside all of my "brothers and sisters" in dance music.
Trust me, I was used to the "doubters" laying it on me in New York City for years. After the loss of CBS-FM to "Jack" for a bit, and getting Pulse 87 to happen, the doubters have actually become "supportive" because I never gave up. And I have no intention of giving up Philly. But, I'll let the powers that be that handle dance music in the region do their job...and if more has to be done, I'll be there in full support.
All of you're brothers and sisters in dance music? Sounds like you'll be standing outside a radio station singing "We shall overcome, We shall overcome some day" With candles in you're hands. Plus posters saying "We're mad as hell not gonna take it no more". lol lol lol
I can see why people say that music they don't like all sounds the same. I used to not like metal, but when I started listening to it, I realized that there are so many different styles of metal and they sound different. Before I listened to metal, I used to think it all sounded the same.
Same thing goes for dance by people who don't like it. Why do you think XM, Sirius, and Music Choice have multiple stations in the dance format? Not to mention all the Internet stations playing different varieties of dance. To people who hate dance music, disco and current dance sound the same, KTU and Pulse 87 sound the same. All we want is for ONE full-market FM dance station in Philly, playing the format that has the most mass-appeal out of its subgenres. There is a market for it, ask Brett who fills up clubs whenever Z88.9's there. Unfortunately, people back in the 70s and 80s found it cool to hate disco, and when those people started becoming in charge of radio stations, they eliminated the format. Most dance stations today have a loyal fanbase (there's a lot of people who barely get Pulse 87 or Z88.9, yet they choose to listen to those stations if they know about them because it plays music they like.) The limited signals don't allow for people to discover that they exist or that they like the music they play. In fact, there probably is only one major market dance station with a big signal...C-89.5 in Seattle, but they're non-commercial. Pulse 87 might be the second best, since it covers New York City itself well, even though it doesn't go far into the suburbs. Z88.9 is weak in Philly itself, and its transmitter is out in the pine barrens. Super 91.7 only covers 10 miles. Party 105 is also almost in the middle of nowhere, and only puts a 40 dBu signal into Connecticut, yet they have loyal fans in both Long Island and Connecticut. If a dance station is programmed well and has a full-market signal, it could get into the top 10, maybe even the top 5 12+. But no one wants to try it. Sounds like a good experiment for 97.5 to try if smooth jazz fails.
Same thing goes for dance by people who don't like it. Why do you think XM, Sirius, and Music Choice have multiple stations in the dance format? Not to mention all the Internet stations playing different varieties of dance. To people who hate dance music, disco and current dance sound the same, KTU and Pulse 87 sound the same. All we want is for ONE full-market FM dance station in Philly, playing the format that has the most mass-appeal out of its subgenres. There is a market for it, ask Brett who fills up clubs whenever Z88.9's there. Unfortunately, people back in the 70s and 80s found it cool to hate disco, and when those people started becoming in charge of radio stations, they eliminated the format. Most dance stations today have a loyal fanbase (there's a lot of people who barely get Pulse 87 or Z88.9, yet they choose to listen to those stations if they know about them because it plays music they like.) The limited signals don't allow for people to discover that they exist or that they like the music they play. In fact, there probably is only one major market dance station with a big signal...C-89.5 in Seattle, but they're non-commercial. Pulse 87 might be the second best, since it covers New York City itself well, even though it doesn't go far into the suburbs. Z88.9 is weak in Philly itself, and its transmitter is out in the pine barrens. Super 91.7 only covers 10 miles. Party 105 is also almost in the middle of nowhere, and only puts a 40 dBu signal into Connecticut, yet they have loyal fans in both Long Island and Connecticut. If a dance station is programmed well and has a full-market signal, it could get into the top 10, maybe even the top 5 12+. But no one wants to try it. Sounds like a good experiment for 97.5 to try if smooth jazz fails.
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