DANCE MUSIC....OKAY PHILLY, YOU ARE NEXT!

[Dancerev889]

Lets all remove our granny panties and relax. Is Philly getting a dance station? I highly doubt it. I love the genre but until there are success stories its not gonna happen. The jury is still out about Pulse 87. Now is dance making a comeback, the answer is yes. 4 songs are now in rotation at major CHR and Top 40 stations across the country including Q and Wired. For those that are harping that we need one. Support what you got right now. Get them bigger. You need to show success before things can move forward. You have one already in the market and one on a secondary market. Support them.


My vote is to close this thread.

 

[murcuryvapor]

Who says we want to impact a planet? The rest of the world is way ahead of the U.S. when it comes to dance music anyway.

Just a sample of what goes on in Europe:

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Becka, I love ya, darlin', and I understand you enthusiasm for the 'rest of the world' happenings, but 1) Please use hyperlinks, as listing triggers the tl;dr switch in most people, and 2), it's irrelevant to this here 'Merican Radio Board.

Thanks.

 

[TonySantiago]

Mommy, please make it stop.

Kyle, when Philly does get a rhythmic station, I WILL be back on Radio Racket.

Count on it.

 

[TonySantiago]

My vote is to close this thread.

I actually have eased off. There was a point where this thread went to page 2.

Aside from the fans that want this to happen, those that don't want it to happen also respond. Other boards were lukewarm about this and very cool, or at the very worst case scenario, politely said no. But the hatred in here is thick and quite honestly it's that continual hatred (and now "name calling") that keeps me coming back to say something, if not defending the genre at the least defending the fans of the music and their right to speak out versus the "anti" feeling. It's because of that, Philadelphia is HIGH on my target. But out of respect for you Brett, as well as Glenn, Kris and Clint, I am holding off because yes, for the two stations in the area that cover rhythmic music, they need the support. I was in the area this weekend and heard Z 88.9. That is definitely what Philly needs!

Another thing I should mention though, which will definitely get some people flipping their lids......there was actually someone else that ran a coalition in the area years ago, the Philly Dance Radio Coalition. It wasn't run by me but the idea came off my concept and at that time I fully supported it. Anyway, there may be a possibility of it returning....once again, under someone who lives in the region.

Heck...I'd love to stop posting on this (I backed off Boston, Albany, Los Angeles, you name it). But you gotta admit Brett, whatever feelings this thread has generated, people are talking about it. And if those that love it want to keep it going as well as those that hate in terms of the anger this has generated, well..the "beast" took a life of it's own and is perhaps too powerful for me to cease.

I'll say let's "cease" on this. But really...it isn't up to me.

 

[Dancerev889]

This isnt where you take your fight to. This is a radio board. You need people on the street to take the cause. Stop worrying about other markets. Worry about your own. You got two in NY that need to be supported, so support them. The other markets have them support them as well. Like I said before, there is no success stories for a company to look at to flip to this format. Get the numbers up and then go to other markets. People on this board dont like dance but they have a point because there is no data to back it up. I hate people fighting for something that cant back it up. As someone that has lived here my whole we dont care what Europe is doing nor do we care really what is happening in other markets. We hate New York, Boston and Dallas. We like being Philly.

 

[DJ Becka]

This isnt where you take your fight to. This is a radio board. You need people on the street to take the cause. Stop worrying about other markets. Worry about your own. You got two in NY that need to be supported, so support them. The other markets have them support them as well. Like I said before, there is no success stories for a company to look at to flip to this format. Get the numbers up and then go to other markets. People on this board dont like dance but they have a point because there is no data to back it up. I hate people fighting for something that cant back it up. As someone that has lived here my whole we dont care what Europe is doing nor do we care really what is happening in other markets. We hate New York, Boston and Dallas. We like being Philly.

You grew up in philly your whole life.....whoopidee doooo....so did I......so what's your point here exactly? All I see is 'blah blah blah.....I´m plugging my ears and don't care what other people have to say regarding this subject'

So Tony and other people here have an opinion - are they supposed to shut up because you said so?

Last time I checked, people still had a right to their own opinions.....

 

[Dancerev889]

This isnt where you take your fight to. This is a radio board. You need people on the street to take the cause. Stop worrying about other markets. Worry about your own. You got two in NY that need to be supported, so support them. The other markets have them support them as well. Like I said before, there is no success stories for a company to look at to flip to this format. Get the numbers up and then go to other markets. People on this board dont like dance but they have a point because there is no data to back it up. I hate people fighting for something that cant back it up. As someone that has lived here my whole we dont care what Europe is doing nor do we care really what is happening in other markets. We hate New York, Boston and Dallas. We like being Philly.

You grew up in philly your whole life.....whoopidee doooo....so did I......so what's your point here exactly? All I see is 'blah blah blah.....I´m plugging my ears and don't care what other people have to say regarding this subject'

So Tony and other people here have an opinion - are they supposed to shut up because you said so?

Last time I checked, people still had a right to their own opinions.....

First off you missed the whole point. If you had money to invest are you going to put it into something that has no track record or would you put it into something that you can see will make you money? Name one dance station that you can say that is doing that?

People can have their own opinions but back them up with facts. I am one of the biggest supports of this genre but you have to know when to pick and choose your fights. It would be like going into New York and saying Im an Eagles fan and I think everyone here should be one too. If I did that I would probably get killed and a ton of beer poured all over me.

 

[TonySantiago]

Three things in brief....

1. Becka, Brett (Dancerev) is all right. He's pro dance.
2. Brett, I am doing things in NYC. Go on the coalition website.
3. Brett, I also left you a phone message at the station. It's important that we talk.

 

[Kyle D]

Mommy, please make it stop.

Kyle, when Philly does get a rhythmic station, I WILL be back on Radio Racket.

Count on it.

You're always welcomed on the Racket Tony.

I know I'm not helping by adding this post, but it's just time for this thread to go away. It's pretty clear where people stand and not much is going to change.

 

[TonySantiago]

I know I'm not helping by adding this post, but it's just time for this thread to go away. It's pretty clear where people stand and not much is going to change.

I feel two ways about this.

While I do think the thread should "cease", I don't think it should just "go away". This topic brought up a lot of anger and gave those that were perhaps afraid to speak (based on the flow of this board) a chance to do so. For awhile I've actually stopped but then whenever one that hates the music would speak in their sarcastic style, not just to me but towards others, it would get me to react. For some, I ignore. For others, I do speak.

I've always supported Brett's notion that one needs to support what is in the region. So with that, dance fans should support a Z88.9 and Super 91.7. However, there is one thing that I need to talk about....and that I am taking "outside" should my "olive branch" get taken.

I do kindly ask one thing if we allow this thread to just "disappear". If anyone else should bring up the subject of dance music in here, while we can all "agree to disagree", can we keep it to the subject at hand and keep the "hate" aspect out of it? My intent with this thread all along was to "test the waters". Boston, Albany, Los Angeles were cool with it...and that's because if there was any hate, it wasn't "blatant" as opposed to what happened here.

But if the "battle" keeps going on....then, there you go. :-\ I'll be happy to "cease" this but the "haters" have to do the same.

 

[TonySantiago]

Love it or hate it, you gotta admit this was definitely one of the big threads for 2008! It certainly provoked a heated and emotional debate.

Thank the poster known as Oaktree for making me realize this!

 

[oaktree]

Thanks, Tony.

I appreciate your passion and enthusiasm.

Incidentally, much of the heat of emotion written here by many is the same as what many bankers are saying, as well. They don't like "dance stations" very much ... nor do they like radio in general. Thanks Clear Channel, Citadel, etc ...

Seriously ... Tony, if it doesn't make money, if you can't get banks to lend on a format or facility and with advertising dollars going south with more predicted in 2009 ... keeping your hopes up after Pulse just lost over a million bucks in the last three months shows that the idea may be there, but the success, especially for a start up ... just isn't there in this day and age.

 

[TonySantiago]

I'm not going to keep pushing the flag on Pulse....the many facts were brought up about this station on the New York board. Honestly, it's really a question of seeing the cup "half empty" or "half full". You see the money and banks. I see the extenuating circumstances regarding that station based on the small signal and the dial location. I still stand by the fact, that given a strong frequency above 92, the station would be in the top 5. Either or we are both not wrong in our perspectives.

Though with the bad economy all around, I'm certainly not going to see any radical flips happen anytime soon, anywhere. HOWEVER, the industry known as "radio" continues to "dogg" itself for trying to "play it safe" with formats and in a lot of cases it just doesn't work. WRXP in New York is the best example of that. That's why I constantly have thought "outside the box" with my views regarding dance music and a "dance station" (so as no one misspells it!) Of course the format won't work everywhere. I can't see farmers in rural Nebraska tune in to the latest track by Cascada (she is a dance artist). Likewise, I can't see urban professionals necessarily tune in to country music in New York. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a fanbase that wants such a station to appear on the radio up here and I wish them all the luck in the world!

Okay, so I may never be a businessman. I'm not trying to be. I'm always going to fight it out for dance music. If this thread had accomplished something (I have pointed people to this thread as a "study".) people can see that there is a lot of work that has to be done because there are certainly enough haters out there (not saying you Oaktree) that would love nothing more than to see defeat and feel that they could get away with "bullying" someone that has an idea and concept that comes off different.

Out of all the boards I've been to in Radio-Info....aside from the time when WCBS flipped to "Jack", I've never seen this amount of responses come off on a single thread.

Perhaps 2009 may not be the time. But in time, maybe corporate will "get it" and do something different. It doesn't necessarily have to be dance, but something that could capture people, that were "shunned away", back to the medium. What that will take is anyone's guess.

 

[candykidjade]

id say WIred should start to add dance leaning top 40 remixes. AFter all, they are the ones with a "danz stayshun" HD channel.

 

[Starbucks]

Oh no....I was hoping this one didn't come back. I thought I never would see this one again. Now I'm sure were gonna get more undersirable flash backs from other posts from last spring, summer or last winter. I'll have to really screen the posts making sure there aren't anymore reruns.

I'm not going to keep pushing the flag on Pulse....the many facts were brought up about this station on the New York board. Honestly, it's really a question of seeing the cup "half empty" or "half full". You see the money and banks. I see the extenuating circumstances regarding that station based on the small signal and the dial location. I still stand by the fact, that given a strong frequency above 92, the station would be in the top 5. Either or we are both not wrong in our perspectives.

Though with the bad economy all around, I'm certainly not going to see any radical flips happen anytime soon, anywhere. HOWEVER, the industry known as "radio" continues to "dogg" itself for trying to "play it safe" with formats and in a lot of cases it just doesn't work. WRXP in New York is the best example of that. That's why I constantly have thought "outside the box" with my views regarding dance music and a "dance station" (so as no one misspells it!) Of course the format won't work everywhere. I can't see farmers in rural Nebraska tune in to the latest track by Cascada (she is a dance artist). Likewise, I can't see urban professionals necessarily tune in to country music in New York. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a fanbase that wants such a station to appear on the radio up here and I wish them all the luck in the world!

Okay, so I may never be a businessman. I'm not trying to be. I'm always going to fight it out for dance music. If this thread had accomplished something (I have pointed people to this thread as a "study".) people can see that there is a lot of work that has to be done because there are certainly enough haters out there (not saying you Oaktree) that would love nothing more than to see defeat and feel that they could get away with "bullying" someone that has an idea and concept that comes off different.

Out of all the boards I've been to in Radio-Info....aside from the time when WCBS flipped to "Jack", I've never seen this amount of responses come off on a single thread.

Perhaps 2009 may not be the time. But in time, maybe corporate will "get it" and do something different. It doesn't necessarily have to be dance, but something that could capture people, that were "shunned away", back to the medium. What that will take is anyone's guess.

 

[TonySantiago]

Oh no....I was hoping this one didn't come back. I thought I never would see this one again. Now I'm sure were gonna get more undersirable flash backs from other posts from last spring, summer or last winter. I'll have to really screen the posts making sure there aren't anymore reruns.

My sole approach in terms of bringing this thread back was to remember 2008. I'm not trying to generate controversy as when the thread first came out. But either or, the thread did affect people in so many different ways. It woke me up too because I had never seen so much hatred. Other boards were fine about it, except this one.

It's as I had said before, I DO use this thread as "education"....to show people that there still is a lot of hatred and misunderstanding about things regarding dance music and this whole "dans stayshun" mentality that is pervasive throughout this board. As for other undesirable posts on the Philly board, I'm not making any "bumps".

 

[Radio_bored-Op]

late to the party !

i just read the Opening Post (excellent Tony S), and the
REAL responses, along w/ the few wise cracks.

PS: i didnt read thru all the muddle,and 16 other pages, so this
may have been stated, or i could be WRONG*but here u go!

Seriously:
yes, a dance station would work. Here is how:

*PAY* attn to # 3


1. program!
let some one go thru a current (top40/chr/hip hop station), and tweeek it!

Example:
Play beyonce's "single ladies" *followed by some thing, like a 'classic' (call me/Le Clic).
Followed by a current dance song; and maybe a (true_classic), maybe the original
music will smith used for all his hits! Repeat this formula:

12 songs per hour, 6 or so, current; 4 '90s'/early 2000 "HITS" and a pair of
CURRENT hip hop songs, that are borderline dance... even PERHAPS * THIS IS TOTALLY NUTS*
play the Ozone song that rihanna sampled...Yea, why the hell not, place that in regular rotation...
with about 25 spins/per week....so, an occassional/newbie can show interest and wonder
what came first, and who 'stole' from who . . .

2.
Next
PROGRAM!!!!
decide, when/how you will create the day-part vs. the night time/club sound.
how far it will go and how 'easy' the afternoon will be....no suits, no consultants
a REAL Person that KNOWS what the heck they are doing.

3. This secret is OUT :
philly's a pretty big city.
with ALL four sports teams......pretty much, sponsor/pay(if that's legal : )
or *highly encourage, thru co-advertisers* to play more dance at games!!

yes, im DEAD Serious. if you are at a flyers game, and you hear "zombie nation" kernkraft 400,
and in a good mood, flyers win...and have happy vibe music available, you will be more Prone to listen.

DONT BELIEVE THIS ONE?
well, its true, accept it.

# 4
this goes along w/ three......why does top 40 "work?"
It doesn't it is just Theeee most persistant format .
despite slow start, keep it going and spend some money.

"make people like it" / is that crazy ? no. . . . look at mTv..
i bet you in an experiment, if MTV "placed" a song like......
....*thinking*....... dj-sammy "heaven" in the countdown,
from now til end of jan...and made comments "Yes, its old,
but our website voting has some how/some reason...made this
popular....." / / reeeely happening they are just relentlessly pushing it,
i PROMISE you CHR's/hot AC's , etc would add it - just because
the "cool" big brother MTV is playing it - well, same with this
station . . . just find the best way to advertise ( tv spot),
on metro buses, what ever works best in philly, and dont let up . . .

will it happen NO
like every other city, the status quo "works" for now.

 

[Dancerev889]

Re: late to the party !

i just read the Opening Post (excellent Tony S), and the
REAL responses, along w/ the few wise cracks.

PS: i didnt read thru all the muddle,and 16 other pages, so this
may have been stated, or i could be WRONG*but here u go!

Seriously:
yes, a dance station would work. Here is how:

*PAY* attn to # 3


1. program!
let some one go thru a current (top40/chr/hip hop station), and tweeek it!

Example:
Play beyonce's "single ladies" *followed by some thing, like a 'classic' (call me/Le Clic).
Followed by a current dance song; and maybe a (true_classic), maybe the original
music will smith used for all his hits! Repeat this formula:

12 songs per hour, 6 or so, current; 4 '90s'/early 2000 "HITS" and a pair of
CURRENT hip hop songs, that are borderline dance... even PERHAPS * THIS IS TOTALLY NUTS*
play the Ozone song that rihanna sampled...Yea, why the hell not, place that in regular rotation...
with about 25 spins/per week....so, an occassional/newbie can show interest and wonder
what came first, and who 'stole' from who . . .

2.
Next
PROGRAM!!!!
decide, when/how you will create the day-part vs. the night time/club sound.
how far it will go and how 'easy' the afternoon will be....no suits, no consultants
a REAL Person that KNOWS what the heck they are doing.

3. This secret is OUT :
philly's a pretty big city.
with ALL four sports teams......pretty much, sponsor/pay(if that's legal : )
or *highly encourage, thru co-advertisers* to play more dance at games!!

yes, im DEAD Serious. if you are at a flyers game, and you hear "zombie nation" kernkraft 400,
and in a good mood, flyers win...and have happy vibe music available, you will be more Prone to listen.

DONT BELIEVE THIS ONE?
well, its true, accept it.

# 4
this goes along w/ three......why does top 40 "work?"
It doesn't it is just Theeee most persistant format .
despite slow start, keep it going and spend some money.

"make people like it" / is that crazy ? no. . . . look at mTv..
i bet you in an experiment, if MTV "placed" a song like......
....*thinking*....... dj-sammy "heaven" in the countdown,
from now til end of jan...and made comments "Yes, its old,
but our website voting has some how/some reason...made this
popular....." / / reeeely happening they are just relentlessly pushing it,
i PROMISE you CHR's/hot AC's , etc would add it - just because
the "cool" big brother MTV is playing it - well, same with this
station . . . just find the best way to advertise ( tv spot),
on metro buses, what ever works best in philly, and dont let up . . .

will it happen NO
like every other city, the status quo "works" for now.

Sounds like our rotation at Z889

 

[TonySantiago]

Like I said, I brought up this thread just as a "look back" on 2008.

Dancerev has 88.9, Kris Henderson has 91.7. When the economy improves someday and terrestrial radio (for some reason) realizes, HEY, we have to do something different....then MAYBE a (I'll say it in the vernacular) "dans stayshun" could be covered in the areas where there's a void in the region.

I'll leave it at that.

 

[Starbucks]

Love it or hate it, you gotta admit this was definitely one of the big threads for 2008! It certainly provoked a heated and emotional debate.


I might have to challenge you for post of the year on the Philly board on this one...because I myself never had any or as many personal email responses until I posted this. I don't know what I was on when I wrote it....and I'm sure I didn't have to pay any bucks as far as posting it....but let's take one more look back at a legendary broadcaster of Philly radio. A man that has devoted his time, hard work, and money to the Philly Airwaves.....I don't have to make another introduction to this legend........

Another Sad Day In Philly Radio
« on: April 28, 2008, 08:55:48 pm » Quote

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Yes folks if you haven't heard or read earlier...Legendary brokered broadcaster Mike Phillips announced his retirement from Philly radio this morning. Mike has had self -legendary success in brokered broadcasting stations like WNJC in Vineland, NJ. (Wherever that it is). Prior to his comeback this past year...he also had isolated success at low powered Channel 7. (Does anyone remember the call letters?)
During his tenure at 'NJC...he's received better rate offers at radio station WNWR....but declined their discounts due to avoid any competitive friction with his mentor RJ.
Mike recently found himself back on the tube (or I should say people's computer monitors) announcing and relaying play by play Flyer's hockey action while people can watch the game themselves and see the action by the time he announces it. Known for his black trademark sunglasses and matching Car, Mike can be seen driving around the streets of Philly, were the movie Rocky was filmed. (because that's where he lives) and also has had celebrities like the Phillie's ball girls, Flyer's parking attendants, PennDott street sweeping crew, as well as extras from the Fox hit TV show "Til Death" on his show. He's had other radio personalities from WBCB, WSNJ, and WAMS announced and invited...but never showed up.
Yes , recently rough times has effected this legend, as we know what can happen to even to the best of them in this business....as reported of last week in the back page of the News Gleamer....police spotted a man slumped over and passed out at a Septa bus station, only to be identified as WNJC's Mike Phillips. They identified him right away because he was wearing his red Phillie's jersey. After his 2 weekend rehab at a local carrier current radio station....Mike's comeback was stronger then ever, as of the previous year, Mike hosted and broadcasted a New Year's eve party on brokered powered WNJC. It was the first of it's kind..... it only went to 10 o' clock.
City mayor Michael Nutre made a statement at City Hall today.....that he plans to place an honor for Mike at Penn's Landing next friday in honor of his retirement. The reception I understand will be free attendance , plus cake and ice cream for everybody that attends. (Oh by the way , I forgot to mention that's on the Camden side)
Mike good luck wherever it may lead you, the Philly airwaves lost yet another great broadcaster. (Alright, fill in the blanks)

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