klifhanger said:
Right. The name "Alamo" must be French.
And "Tejas" is Portuguese.
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David E.
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Right. The name "Alamo" must be French.
And "Tejas" is Portuguese.
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klifhanger
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Considering La Salle and De Vaca were in "TEJAS" ( which the indian tribe called themselves before any europeans were in spitting distance) before the Alamo, your response is silly. After all what do Noted Historians from prestigious universities know,except facts,which CONsultants hate,but spin fabrication like Rapunzel's hair? <yawn1> goodnight.
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AndyWaldrop
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omega said:
klifhanger said:
I've selected, at random, a thread posted on this board and followed it through to the last post in the thread. The first and last posts of that thread are quoted above. Enjoy!
Yes...I promise, they are part of the same thread.
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klifhanger
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Yep,They are. I just had to correct David's misconception of History of Texas,when he mentioned Spanish was the first European language spoken here. Must have been a passenger one too many times in "Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine".
klifhanger said:
You did not even get Alvaro Nuñez Cabeza de Vaca's name right. He ws shipwrecked in what is now Texas in 1528, when he laid claim to the state, about 50 years before the French settlement.
So the statement that Spanish was the first European language spoken there is correct.
omega said:
The only significant Mexican population in Ft. Myer is in the agricultural areas around Imokallee, and that area has no DST or HHA treatment... most Hispanics in the metro are Caribbeans, not Mexicans. The whole idea of a regional station there is probably wrong.
In Austin, KINV has nowhere the same signal as KHHL... the whole reason why the station never beat KHHL in any daypart.
Odessa Midland also has no DST, and general markets stations move like hot air baloons. It's not a valid compariston. San Antonio, the Valley, Houston are places where he is absolutely dominant on good technical facilities.
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theshadow
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Bob E. Nelson said:
Oh boy, I could go on and on about traffic reporting (as I did it for over twenty years).
I feel I'm more than qualified to be critical and non-critical. Anyway, I have no problem
with someone saying Northbound "75" at Fitzhugh. They don't have to say "Central
Expressway". If you don't know where 75 and Fitzhugh is, get a freakin' map! But
yes, I-75 (the interstate) is FAR from here. The thing is.. the locals know "Central
Expressway" but it's not just the locals commuting on our highways. It's people
from out of town that don't have a clue where "Central Expressway" is!. You're not
helping them out AT ALL by using cutesy local names. Describe the highway
as you see it on the sign. If it ain't on the sign, don't use it!
Bob E. Nelson said:
That's peachy for the locals, and my colleague Mike Shannon does a great job. BUT,
I'd bet he (like I did when I was on WBAP) only adds the "local" flair because WBAP
programming WANTS & LIKES it that way. To really service the listening public, it should
really only be 635 <direction> at <location>. That's what the signs say, unless you're on the
service road where it actually says LBJ Freeway. There are a TON of people passing
through that, again, may not have a clue where LBJ is, but if they see and hear someone talking
about 635 or I-35E (instead of Stemmons Freeway) they'll know exactly where you're talking
about if they are traveling that stretch of roadway.
I enjoy the fact KRLD does not say "Stemmons" or the "North Freeway" .....it's I-35E or
I-35W, or I-30 Westbound at Jim Miller Rd, as it SHOULD be! :-\
Theirs more then enough mexican ppl in the Ft myers/Naples market consider how it has 3 full time Regional mexican stations La que buena.La Ley and la raza where brindis airs his show with 10.000 watts and how 97.7 latino has now made a change on their format to attract the mexican audience since looking durring the last book! and odessa/midland is almost 56 percent hispanic
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theshadow
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rbrucecarter5 said:
Well, Bruce...as a former traffic reporter in this fine town(s) of ours, MY pet peeve
is markets that use the "number" lane way of reporting, OR the
"inner loop/perimeter eastbound" or outer loop/perimeter westbound (like Atlanta).
Drives me crazy. For God sakes, call it 285!
Guess it's how we all look at things, LITERALLY, and as drivers.
Take for example southbound I-35E at Sandy Lake Rd in Carrollton. Now, in that location
there are three main lanes (left, center, right) and an HOV lane. It would confuse the heck
out of me if I heard a reporter say "accident in Lane 1 southbound 35 at Sandy Lake". Ok,
does that reporter mean the HOV, or the (fast) left lane??
MUCH easier for me as a driver to hear someone say "accident in the center lane,
southbound 35 at Sandy Lake". That way I can move to the left or right lane to
hopefully get around it.
What infuriates me is when you hear a reporter say "that wreck is blocking the three
left lanes", or "TXDOT is saying the four right lanes are blocked" such as an accident
on 635. What?? No! HOV, Left, left center, center, right center, right, and possibly
an exit only lane. If there are three lanes on the highway, and the left and center lane
is blocked, that means only the RIGHT lane is getting by!!. Please say that.
Many do in their reports, but an overwhelming majority DO NOT.
Ok, <soapbox off>.....
omega said:
Midland Odessa has an enormously small sample, and no langauge weighting. It is 34% Hispanic, not 56%, based on Arbitron's own Red Book. If I am not mistaken, Raúl is again on a AM, where it is natural not to expect market-leading results. But any show in syndication takes some good signals and some not so good, and it is up to the owner to decide if the results warrant the costs.
La Raza is licenced to Pine Island Center, and shoots all its power out over the gulf; it has a very bad signal to the east, which is where the Mexican population is mostly located, in places like La Belle and Imokalee. WPTK is also an AM, while 97.7 WTLQ and WAFZ are FM's. WAFC is ideally located for the Mexican population, while WAFC is on the coast, and does not put a good signal inland. 1440 is a dreadful signal, and AM also.
It is silly to judge Rau'ls performance on a bad AM with either of the FMs, particularly the one that is located in Imokalee.
omega said:
Why would I have access to those markets? Generally, only companies who actually have stations in a market pay the tens of thousands of dollars that a very small market rating (a "ratting" is something a rat does) costs. Markets like Odessa and Amarillo have very small Hispanic populations, so the sample wobbles enormously... traditionally, Spanish language stations can go up and down by 50% from book to book in this sort of market. A 12 share in Odessa is just a cople of thousand people... or about a 3.5 rating. One or two diaries can move it radically up or down, so most of us don't judge format or talent based on tiny low sample markets.
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Radioman100
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DavidEduardo said:
It's obvious that you've never spent any time in Odessa David.
The 2000 census puts the Hispanic population at just over 41%. I assure you, the real number including illegals who aren't likely to submit to the census is much higher. Possibly as high as 60% in Odessa. Midland is officially just under 29% Hispanic, but I assure you the real number is higher there as well.
The Hispanic population of Amarillo is just over 21%.
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firstimelongtime
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"I've selected, at random, a thread posted on this board and followed it through to the last post in the thread. The first and last posts of that thread are quoted above. Enjoy! Yes...I promise, they are part of the same thread."
Dear AndyWaldrop
What is your point? Are you questioning the mindless bashing of DE? If so then include me. After 18 months I still don't understand the bear baiting. But, I then if you were taking a shot at David, then never mind.
Dear AndyWaldrop
What is your point? Are you questioning the mindless bashing of DE? If so then include me. After 18 months I still don't understand the bear baiting. But, I then if you were taking a shot at David, then never mind.
Radioman100 said:
But Arbitron uses 2006 data from Claritas, which processes Census updates and other data to get a more "real" view of the 12+ population. And they indicate that the current 12+ of the MSA (two counties, with Odessa and Midland in them) is 34% for 2006. For 2007, it is 38%, but only 41% are Spanish dominant, one of the lowest in the state. There is no DST, no language proportionality, etc. There are only 165 Spanish dominant diaries in the Spring book, meaning that for, let's say, 18-34 in Morning drive, there are about 50 Spanish dominant diaries. So each diary can change a station share by around 2% each.
The Claritas numbers use by Arbitron come very close to reality, as they contemplate things like vehicle registrations and other data that they combine with the Census projections. And, most demographers agree, the Census was within a few percent of accurately counting illegals, too. Remeber, there was an extensive campaign on Spanish langauge media indicating that the Census data was not shared and that the Census staff would not ask about legal status. Perfect? No. But very close? Yes. And Claritas gives even closer figures.
... less than half of which is Spanish dominant. Horrible market for Spanish langauge stations. The whole market has less than $10 million in revenue, no revenue growth, and 19 stations in the MSA.
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klifhanger
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David: LAST TIME Dont' argue with well known University findings esepecially UT,A&M,Lamar, and Tech in the State of Texas ,plus Yale, and Princeton when it comes to scholars and Historians. De Vaca sailed under the Spanish Flag, Like Columbus ( who was Italian BTW in case you didnt know) spoke Portugese, not Spanish and set foot first. On the same note historians and Archeolgists( a joint discovery of Harvard, UT, and Rice University archeologists)also state La Salle Who was French (if you are still keeping score here ) had his camp in place BEFORE the first spanish persido ,fort,etc. ( Pick one). I believe I will stick to the Historical experts ,SCHOLARS AND PROFESIONALS than your "revisionist history" You have been corrected. simmer and enjoy.
klifhanger said:
Alvar Nuñez Cabeza de Vaca was sailing as an eimissary of the crown of what is today Spain, and spoke Spanish (as did the Genoan Cristoforo Colombo [Italy did not exist then, so he could not have been Italian]) because he was born in Jérez de la Frontera in Spain. The crew was Spanish in the most part, and spoke Spanish and claimed Tejas for the Spanish crown.
The guy's name is not "de Vaca" as "Cabeza de Vaca" is an ancient Spanish surname, corrupted to Baca in contemporary times.
Unlike the common American, most Europeans, then and now, spoke multiple languages. The fact that Cabeza de Vaca spoke Portuguese was not particulary unusual.
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theshadow
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DavidEduardo said:
Guys, this thread is hilarious. It really is.... ;D
Will the real Juan Valdez please stand up.....damn it, where's
my Cafe Mocha?...
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The Batman
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Kudos?
Bob, no one uses that word in speech, but this board seems to love it.
Kudos. Lose it.
The Batman
Bob, no one uses that word in speech, but this board seems to love it.
Kudos. Lose it.
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