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Daystar OTA stations DTV question

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When I was seeing whats on OTA TV I notice an text crawl sating that all Daystar Owned and Operated OTA stations are going to convert to digital broadcast between March 31st and the new switch off date June 12th.

The local Daystar affiliate in Columbus is WCLL-CA. WCLL-CA is owned by Word of God Fellowship, witch is a subsidiary of Daystar. I couldn't find any DT information on the FCC website about the WCLL-CA application to flashcut to digital. Nor the Daystar website. Does anyone have more info about this?
 
WCLL-CA has a permit to flash-cut to digital on channel 35.

- Trip
 
Daystar's Flagship UHF station in Dallas, was sold off to a Spanish Network for the Moooo-la, and so the new Daystar OTA signal from Denton was too weak to pick up with the unamplified indoor antenna, here in the Metroplex.

I could still watch Daystar on BASIC cable though. That is the low low tier, which comes -without- a box.

But.... Daystar chose to move up to the Digital Tier, and to -not- have a channel on the BASIC tier. Exact reason for doing that is unknown to me.

However, since I have gotten the Digital Converter Box, and the amplified Indoor antenna to go with it.... I now get to watch Daystar --- For FREE ! ;D

(I would have never purchased the $27 amplified antenna to get simply get Daystar, but, it was worth it, to get all of the Digital Channels....and Sub-Channels).

BTY, the TBN station has 4 sub-channels.

Daystar has -0- sub-shannels ? ? ? ?

Have a Good Day!
 
Daystar's KLTJ/22 here in Houston is keeping their analog signal up until June 12, according to an FCC listing.

However the Trinity Broadcasting Network stations in Houston and DFW are cutting the analog on April 16.
 
Anyone have any idea what Daystar plans to do with all their excess digital capacity?
Seems like they generally just have 1 SD channel on all their O&O DTVs.
Perhaps TBN might want to lease some of that capacity, particularly in areas that are either completely without TBN, or perhaps only receiving fringe TBN coverage?
Or, is it too much to expect the great powers of Christian broadcasting to get together on this?

Another thought would be to rent it out in much smaller chunks as audio subchannels for Christian radio. Seems like this could be a cost-effective option for many national networks that would like to reach more listeners. And, there's probably enough room for several such channels. Even in high-quality stereo, it would seem at least 40 audio streams could comfortably share space with one Daystar SDTV stream.
 
Johnathan said:
Anyone have any idea what Daystar plans to do with all their excess digital capacity?
Seems like they generally just have 1 SD channel on all their O&O DTVs.
Perhaps TBN might want to lease some of that capacity, particularly in areas that are either completely without TBN, or perhaps only receiving fringe TBN coverage?
Or, is it too much to expect the great powers of Christian broadcasting to get together on this?
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TBN renting some of Daystar's digital space is like McDonald's wanting to sell some of it's food at Burger King -- in other words, very unlikely it will happen.

Johnathan said:
Another thought would be to rent it out in much smaller chunks as audio subchannels for Christian radio. Seems like this could be a cost-effective option for many national networks that would like to reach more listeners. And, there's probably enough room for several such channels. Even in high-quality stereo, it would seem at least 40 audio streams could comfortably share space with one Daystar SDTV stream.
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But how many people want to turn on the TV to listen to the radio?
 
azumanga said:
But how many people want to turn on the TV to listen to the radio?
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At least one... WMVT-DT in Milwaukee operates a classical music radio station and a jazz station on two subchannels. My mother is a frequent listener.

(Milwaukee's commercial classical station flipped formats about two years ago, and no non-commercial station has picked up the format)
 
Johnathan said:
Anyone have any idea what Daystar plans to do with all their excess digital capacity?
Seems like they generally just have 1 SD channel on all their O&O DTVs.
Perhaps TBN might want to lease some of that capacity, particularly in areas that are either completely without TBN, or perhaps only receiving fringe TBN coverage?
Or, is it too much to expect the great powers of Christian broadcasting to get together on this?
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Oh my, you have no idea how un-Christian these "Christian" ministries can act sometimes! Especially TBN, which once sued Jim Bakker because they thought his "PTL Club" was an infringement on the name of their "Praise the Lord" program, and who has accused Daystar of copying their ideas. When Coast Community College District was selling KOCE-TV in Huntington Beach CA, TBN first put in a bid for the station, even though they already have KTBN in Orange County, then gave assistance to KOCE Foundation to help them buy it. Daystar and two other religious broadcasters were in competition with TBN and KOCE Foundation. It would take a miracle for Daystar to offer anything to TBN.
 
I've wondered the same thing myself....

Why Daystar, on their Digital Signal, does not offer other programming.

Such as.... instead of a couple of hours of a Prophecy Conference.....

The whole conference... an all day event.

Wouldn't that help get Chrtistians infromed and enblightened ? ? ?

I sometimes Question the sincereity of those in Minsitry to get helpful messages and information out to the "public".

You know...."due to time constraints on the program, we weren't alble to show you all of the event..... But if you Order the DVD set.... then you can watch the whole thing."

There's plenty of bandwith available on Daystar's digtal sub-channels, to get this out to "the people".

But, really... selling product, they will tell you, is what allows them to keep new programs coming. I just questiion the whole setup. Can't or aren't ministires willing to show full teachings from several years ago, aren't those even available for airing on digital sub-channels ?

There's ALWAYS a good excuse NOT to.... Isn't there???
 
Nate Wesley said:
Daystar will be debuting the newest TV station in the Mobile, AL-Pensacola, FL market, WDPM-DT:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WDPM-DT
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The article is way outdated. I'm not sure what's happening with WDPM. Unless they received some sort of special dispensation from the FCC in the form of a CP extension or STA, the station should have lost its construction permit by now. It expired 1/20/2009, and WSRE won't be off channel 23 until 6/12/2009.

Anyone have any insights?
 
I thought WSRE analog was killed on February 17.

WDPM asked for and got a CP MOD not too long ago, would this have extended their permit?

Either way, I can't see the FCC burning a station who could not possibly sign on because of the existence of an analog signal. Not with Copps in charge, anyway.

- Trip
 
tripinva said:
I thought WSRE analog was killed on February 17.

WDPM asked for and got a CP MOD not too long ago, would this have extended their permit?

Either way, I can't see the FCC burning a station who could not possibly sign on because of the existence of an analog signal. Not with Copps in charge, anyway.

- Trip
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At least the online copies of the CP don't indicate it was extended when the modification was granted.

The whole channel 23 thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense though. Why would the FCC have approved a move from DTV-18 to DTV-23 last June if they knew the permit would expire in January and knew a license-to-cover couldn't be filed until WSRE went off the air a month later?
 
It wasn't an approval last June, it was the channel they elected for post-transition operation (I, of course, can no longer find the channel election form, but I remember it happening). They told the FCC over the summer that they weren't going to waste money building out a channel 18 that wouldn't stay on the air and chose to build channel 23 instead. It's a post-transition permit and there are a number of stations that modified an existing pre-transition permit to specify a post-transition channel. Most of them, of course, filed for extensions or operated on a pre-transition channel under STA as they should have.

Now as for why the FCC didn't extend the deadline to have it on the air until the end of the transition, that I don't know. Or was there a blanket extension for such things?

- Trip
 
tripinva said:
I thought WSRE analog was killed on February 17.
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My mistake - I had them mixed up with another station in the market. According to their latest Quarterly DTV Education Report, WSRE did shut down their analog on 2/17.

So that makes WDPM even more puzzling.
 
dhett said:
Oh my, you have no idea how un-Christian these "Christian" ministries can act sometimes! Especially TBN, which once sued Jim Bakker because they thought his "PTL Club" was an infringement on the name of their "Praise the Lord" program, and who has accused Daystar of copying their ideas. When Coast Community College District was selling KOCE-TV in Huntington Beach CA, TBN first put in a bid for the station, even though they already have KTBN in Orange County, then gave assistance to KOCE Foundation to help them buy it. Daystar and two other religious broadcasters were in competition with TBN and KOCE Foundation. It would take a miracle for Daystar to offer anything to TBN.
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Dhett, you are so right! I worked for one of the TV ministries who bought time from TBN, Daystar, INSP, etc. About 10 years ago, we had an hour show on TBN twice a day. One time, TBN decided to cut all programming to 30 minutes and increased the rates 50%!!! Seemed more like commercial tv shenanigans to me, if not worse!
 
formeraa said:
Dhett, you are so right! I worked for one of the TV ministries who bought time from TBN, Daystar, INSP, etc. About 10 years ago, we had an hour show on TBN twice a day. One time, TBN decided to cut all programming to 30 minutes and increased the rates 50%!!! Seemed more like commercial tv shenanigans to me, if not worse!
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Heaven forbid I should defend TBN's business practices, but they are commercial TV - they own commercial licenses - so legally, they have every right to operate the stations at as large a profit as the market will allow. What God will allow however, well, that's between the good Lord and Paul Crouch, but you won't see me sending them any of my money. My mother was an occasional contributor, and when she and my father lived with me for a time, my name and address got on their mailing list. I have never donated a cent to them since my parents moved out in 2001, but I still receive regular appeal letters. That tells me what good stewards they are of their money.

OTOH, Daystar goes after the NCE licenses, which seems to be another source of friction between the two "ministries". That's also why the FCC was investigating their practices, which held up their license renewals for the past 3-4 years.
 
This morning, I read on another board that WDPM-DT was on the air (if it isn't now) testing WDPM-DT. It was mapping to 4-1 for some unknown reason (does any equipment default to that number by any chance?).

- Trip
 
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