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Daystar OTA stations DTV question

TBN has a huge number of programming channels available, something like seven or eight, IIRC.

But Daystar, with only one primary stream, would be wise to make some sort of brokerage agreements in each market, selling some of their excess bandwidth to local churches and to area Christian radio stations. It would require a local facility (beyond the traditional tower, transmitter and dish arrangement), but it might make them some money, as well as fulfilling some "local programming" requirements.

Also, using the ability create "Virtual Channels", like when USDTV re-branded portions of local stations' bandwidth, they could sell a "Local TV Promo Channel".....call it "Channel 99" or something....and run a full-time promo channel for the other stations in a market. With the VC, no one would even know what transmitter it's coming from.

I'd almost expect TBN to carry Mellissa Scott's channel, since they have a working relationship, but with TBN's number of programming channels, that might be something that could be brokered on to Daystar.
 
TBN has 5 subchannels. (TBN, Church Channel, JCTV, Enlace USA, and Smile of a Child)

Daystar's big problem is that a number of their stations are on non-commercial allotments. I'm not sure what the regulations are on that. Can they lease bandwidth to commercial broadcasters?

- Trip
 
I'm counting 12 full-service stations: 8 educational and 4 commercial. Daystar also just won the right to purchase 7 commercial full-service stations formerly belonging to Equity Media Holdings. In addition, as part of the settlement of the KOCE purchase, Daystar has its signal on KOCE 50.3 in the Los Angeles area. Daystar also owns numerous LPTV stations.

BTW, the FCC still lists WDPM's virtual channel as 18.

Educational stations:
KDTN 2 Denton (Dallas) TX
KDTP 11 Holbrook (Phoenix) AZ
KLTJ 22 Galveston (Houston) TX
KRMT 41 Denver CO
KWBN 44 Honolulu HI
KWDK 56 Tacoma (Seattle) WA
WDTI 69 Indianapolis IN
WYDN 48 Worcester (Boston) MA

Commercial stations:
KOCM 46 Norman (Oklahoma City) OK
KWOG 57 Springdale (Fayetteville) AR
WDPM 4 Mobile AL
WPXS 13 Mount Vernon IL

Stations won in Equity auction:
KBNY 27 Ely NV (Salt Lake City UT) (misidentified as KNBX)
KCBU 3 Price (Salt Lake City) UT
KQUP 24 Pullman (Spokane) WA
KWBM 31 Harrison AR (Springfield MO)
WBIF 51 Marianna (Panama City) FL.
WNGS 67 Springville (Buffalo) NY
WNYI 52 Ithaca (Syracuse) NY

Daystar was granted construction permits for two other stations: channel 3 Apalachicola (Panama City) FL and channel 51 Medical Lake (Spokane) WA. Both were rescinded shortly after they were granted and should now be replaced by former Equity stations.
 
dhett said:
I'm counting 12 full-service stations: 8 educational and 4 commercial. Daystar also just won the right to purchase 7 commercial full-service stations formerly belonging to Equity Media Holdings. In addition, as part of the settlement of the KOCE purchase, Daystar has its signal on KOCE 50.3 in the Los Angeles area. Daystar also owns numerous LPTV stations.
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I count at least 56 LPTVs carrying Daystar programs. I'm not certain they own all of them. (and I'm counting the one in Nashville, which I probably shouldn't because their satellite receiver seems to be down more often than it's working... some DXers have actually reported these things as carrying a slate "WEAK SIGNAL", having never seen them with the receiver working...)

BTW, the FCC still lists WDPM's virtual channel as 18.
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I don't think the FCC updates those listings when stations get channels reassigned. In any case, the PSIP standard and the DTV regulations are tied to the station's actual RF channel (analog or digital, as applicable) so I don't see that listing as being important.

Daystar was granted construction permits for two other stations: channel 3 Apalachicola (Panama City) FL and channel 51 Medical Lake (Spokane) WA. Both were rescinded shortly after they were granted and should now be replaced by former Equity stations.
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Seems to me they were rescinded because application fees hadn't been paid - I was expecting them to be reinstated once the fees were cleared up - but on hindsight I don't remember seeing that happen...
 
"TBN has 5 sub-channels. (TBN, Church Channel, JCTV, Enlace USA, and Smile of a Child)".

I think that's correct for their domestic programming. Via satellite, they also have several other services that might be worthwhile to air in certain markets...Russian, Italian, European."
 
Since WSFJ DT is now owned by TBN, is there plains to muticast? If so are they planing to wait after the June 12th switch off date?
 
willcail said:
Since WSFJ DT is now owned by TBN, is there plains to muticast? If so are they planing to wait after the June 12th switch off date?
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They're not multicasting in Wilmington on W51CW-D either. I have to wonder if they're working on a new system of some kind, because installing PSIP gear at each translator sounds pricey; if that's the case they might be holding off on multicasting WSFJ to put it on whatever new system they're coming up with for the translators.

Granted, that's all speculation, but it's something I've been thinking about, and seeing the Three Angels stations all mapping to 73-1 makes me wonder if something similar is in the works for TBN.

- Trip
 
Honestly I don't think it makes any sense for Daystar, TBN or even ION for that matter to take their OTA stations & go digital. It's not like they don't have national feeds.

America One OTOH has NO national feed (At least not that I'm aware of) & imports a lot of programming from foreign countries (AFL Premiership Football being an example). They could use all those full-power OTA stations being WASTED by Daystar, TBN & ION.

I think Daystar, TBN & ION should save the $$$ they keep begging us for more of by SELLING THE OTA STATIONS & just sticking with the national feeds. An example - DirecTV has KPXC 59 (The local ION affiliate) on channel 59 (Which is also the OTA channel). Yet they also have the national ION feed on channel 305. I say that Daystar, TBN & ION should just CUT OUT THE REDUNDANCY by dumping the OTA stations altogether.

BTW...DirecTV also has the Daystar & TBN national feeds but DOES NOT list KRMT 41 (The local Daystar affiliate) nor the local TBN affiliate (Whatever it is & wherever it's at).

Perhaps this is just an easy knee jerk reaction from someone who lives in a large metropolitan area, but it's just my honest opinion.

Cheers :)
 
Daystar has also bought WMAK in Knoxville. $2 million. Why don't I have the money to pick up these stations at bargain basement prices?

- Trip
 
azumanga said:
Johnathan said:
Another thought would be to rent it out in much smaller chunks as audio subchannels for Christian radio. Seems like this could be a cost-effective option for many national networks that would like to reach more listeners. And, there's probably enough room for several such channels. Even in high-quality stereo, it would seem at least 40 audio streams could comfortably share space with one Daystar SDTV stream.
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But how many people want to turn on the TV to listen to the radio?
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I have an old boombox which was specifically made for Sirius Satellite Radio plugged into my DirecTV converter box via an A/V cable. Whenever I'm listening to the XM channels, I don't even bother turning on the TV as all I get is a blank screen. What I do instead is just simply hit the ON button on atop the boombox and *VOILA!*, I'm listening to Sirius XM Satellite Radio via my DirecTV subscription.

In fact, I'm listening to the 70s on 7 as I type this 8)

Cheers :)
 
Pat Cook said:
I think Daystar, TBN & ION should save the $$$ they keep begging us for more of by SELLING THE OTA STATIONS & just sticking with the national feeds. An example - DirecTV has KPXC 59 (The local ION affiliate) on channel 59 (Which is also the OTA channel). Yet they also have the national ION feed on channel 305. I say that Daystar, TBN & ION should just CUT OUT THE REDUNDANCY by dumping the OTA stations altogether.

BTW...DirecTV also has the Daystar & TBN national feeds but DOES NOT list KRMT 41 (The local Daystar affiliate) nor the local TBN affiliate (Whatever it is & wherever it's at).

Perhaps this is just an easy knee jerk reaction from someone who lives in a large metropolitan area, but it's just my honest opinion.

Cheers :)
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Without the OTA stations, Daystar, TBN, and ION would lose a lot of the leverage that they have with DirecTV and DISH to get their national feeds. That's why you see the national feeds of Daystar & TBN on satellite instead of your local stations -- these networks used the leverage of "must carry" to get national coverage in lieu of DirecTV having to carry each local station. Both sides benefit, but it wouldn't happen if these networks had no local stations.

As for cable -- Daystar, TBN, and ION get carried primarily because of "must carry" provisions in the markets where they have local stations. In other markets, it's at the option of the cable operator to choose whether or not they want to carry the national feed.

Finally, the OTA audience shouldn't be dismissed. Note that Monday Night Football lost a third of its audience when it moved from a broadcast service (ABC) to a cable network (ESPN) -- and note that ESPN has broader cable/satellite coverage than Daystar, TBN, or ION.
 
tripinva said:
Daystar has also bought WMAK in Knoxville. $2 million. Why don't I have the money to pick up these stations at bargain basement prices?

- Trip
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Yeah, I know what you mean...we're seeing some of the best deals on broadcast stations in almost twenty years! It would certainly be a great time to come into a few million dollars, wouldn't it?

$2 million isn't a whole lot of money for an on-air station in a market the size of Knoxville. Moving into some much smaller markets, I couldn't help but notice that the price that Max Media is paying for those three Montana Fox affiliates works out to $433,000 each.

It makes me wonder what sort of prices the Johnson Broadcasting stations in Dallas and Houston (KLDT/54 and KNWS/51, respectively) will eventually go for? Since Johnson Broadcasting is currently in bankruptcy, I figure there is a pretty good chance that we'll find out...
 
I have so many ideas that I'd love to implement at some stations as subchannels. This is so frustrating seeing stations going for pocket change.

I can only imagine KLDT and KNWS selling cheap as well.

- Trip
 
On the topic of cheap TV stations

WAZE-TV and its translators (CW, Evansville, IN market) sold in March for the grand total of $50,000!
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
On the topic of cheap TV stations

WAZE-TV and its translators (CW, Evansville, IN market) sold in March for the grand total of $50,000!
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WAZE-TV is effectively worthless. There's an analog tower setup and no digital gear. The buyer basically bought the license and has to rebuild the station from the ground up. The digital CP specifies a site that is unusable, I'm told, and the station will be going off the air on June 12 unless something changes and fast.

Actually, it sounds a lot like the Equity stations.

- Trip
 
TexasTom said:
tripinva said:
Daystar has also bought WMAK in Knoxville. $2 million. Why don't I have the money to pick up these stations at bargain basement prices?

- Trip
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Yeah, I know what you mean...we're seeing some of the best deals on broadcast stations in almost twenty years! It would certainly be a great time to come into a few million dollars, wouldn't it?

$2 million isn't a whole lot of money for an on-air station in a market the size of Knoxville. Moving into some much smaller markets, I couldn't help but notice that the price that Max Media is paying for those three Montana Fox affiliates works out to $433,000 each.
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WMAK is a full-powered VHF digital station in Knoxville (and will be one of only two VHF DTV's in Knoxville after the transition is over, if that really makes much of a difference). Raycom could have purchased the station and move WTNZ down the dial, giving them a prime channel position.

TexasTom said:
It makes me wonder what sort of prices the Johnson Broadcasting stations in Dallas and Houston (KLDT/54 and KNWS/51, respectively) will eventually go for? Since Johnson Broadcasting is currently in bankruptcy, I figure there is a pretty good chance that we'll find out...
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WBKI, the CW in the Louisville market, is also on the block and will be sold in an auction (starting bids are at $750,000!). Since Daystar is on a subchannel of WBNA 21, I don't know if they would consider breaking away from their current affiliation and buy the station, but anything can happen. Louisville is a market where TBN doesn't own a station - full-power or translator/low-power - either.

What would be most surprising is if they find a way to buy KRON at a bargain basement price (highly doubtful though)!
 
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