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Declining radio audiences

Well that's the thing, isn't it? Perception often trumps reality. On another forum, I was talking about the rise of Rush Limbaugh and about a discussion I'd had with a consultant about stop set loads and times. Back in the days of "Rush Rooms" it didn't matter than the station would break for news/traffic/weather at the top and bottom of every hour, and run four long commercial breaks.

The content was good enough to make people forget about all of that, and keep coming back.

Similar thing with music stations. We've all heard complaints from listeners who say "you play the same song three times an hour!" That's objectively false, but the perception is the thing. How do you overcome that perception? Put yourself in the shoes of those people and ask "why they're saying that?"
I think you make a good point here. Perception is reality. Well -- it's not, really.... But it is.

If something is perceived to be "40 minutes of commercials" by enough listeners, then Radio may indeed have a problem with it. Individual stations may be able to overcome the problem, and maybe a lot of them do, but Radio in general isn't losing listeners because they perceive it as being as relevant as their Pandora channel or Spotify playlist or podcast platform, although there is advertising on a lot of other platforms, including podcasts and video podcasts.

And I think this aversion to all things advertising isn't just confined to Radio. I would wager that a lot of news sites online -- with their gazillions of video, pop-up ads, animated break-bars in stories you have to scroll through which instantly slam your computer speakers with sound as the video ad rolls, all the video advertising on the sidebars -- all making the page look like it was designed by carnival hawkers on meth -- probably turns off a few readers, too.
 
I think you make a good point here. Perception is reality. Well -- it's not, really.... But it is.

If something is perceived to be "40 minutes of commercials" by enough listeners, then Radio may indeed have a problem with it. Individual stations may be able to overcome the problem, and maybe a lot of them do, but Radio in general isn't losing listeners because they perceive it as being as relevant as their Pandora channel or Spotify playlist or podcast platform, although there is advertising on a lot of other platforms, including podcasts and video podcasts.

And I think this aversion to all things advertising isn't just confined to Radio. I would wager that a lot of news sites online -- with their gazillions of video, pop-up ads, animated break-bars in stories you have to scroll through which instantly slam your computer speakers with sound as the video ad rolls, all the video advertising on the sidebars -- all making the page look like it was designed by carnival hawkers on meth -- probably turns off a few readers, too.
It does for me. Paywalls, too. We're absolutely overwhelmed by advertising in 2024.

You're right about perceptions - they can be more powerful than reality. For example, lots of parents won't let their kids go play outside today because it's more "dangerous" than when they were a kid. That's a perception. The reality is that (at least before COVID and the last couple of years - not sure what the picture on that looks like now) crime was down significantly. But people perceive our world (for a variety of reasons) to be more dangerous, and act on that perception. If people perceive radio as having forty minute stopsets, they probably aren't going to be doing a lot of listening.

I think advertising is probably the biggest complaint I hear from people my age about why they don't listen to the radio, followed quickly by there not being anything they want to hear on it.
 
Advertisers largely have themselves to blame.

To achieve the greatest ROI per placement, they craft commercials that appeal almost exclusively to the psychologies of individuals who are the easiest to seduce into making impulsive purchases -- to describe them politely. This typically means that for everybody else, most commercials are varying degrees of irritating to outright unbearable.

Internet advertisers also shot themselves in the feet early on in their own ways. Recall their epidemics of "shaking" animated GIF banners, pop-up windows, pop-under windows, browser hijackers, seedy and deceptive visual designs meant to imitate OS prompt boxes, virulent shockwave flash objects, etc.

Platforms like Youtube and Pluto frequently insert their advertisements recklessly into videos. On sites like Youtube, they constantly interrupt videos mid-sentence, and with Hollywood-produced content on platforms like Pluto, they do that even in spite of the availability of commercial blacks.

There's a reason DVRs and Spotify and ad blockers became such big things. In more ways than one, advertisers and advertisements have become like those individuals who get on public transportation and blithely sit down next to people despite being 3 pack a day smokers -- who haven't showered in 3 weeks.

Does anybody have a local Jewelry Exchange outlet in their area? Look at the way this company advertises:


All their commercials look and sound like that. And any time one appears on television in L.A., my hand never jumps for the remote to hit mute. They simply aren't capable of being annoying, because they're so low key and get straight to the point of just enumerating what's for sale and how much it costs while showing some basic, pleasant visuals of the merchandise.

What drives the younger generations (and other early adopters of advertising avoidance like me) away from modern commercials, by comparison, is the high budget, ultra-produced corporate advertising styles that agencies employing boardrooms filled with advertising psychology majors all want to crank out. Does having internet service delivered by Spectrum's DOCSIS protocol instead of by Frontier's XGS-PON really fill a household with patronizingly trendy actors experiencing epiphanal symphonies of group internet euphoria, enabling them to charge through their days together with suddenly re-energized tablets while wildly smiling and nodding 'yes' at the vividly expanded universe of cyberdelights their screens have only now been empowered to bestow upon them by [Corporate Product]? Many millennials and zoomers are incredibly sensitive and averse to insincere bullshit. High-trust generations like the boomers were open to lending advertisers the same suspension of disbelief they lent scripted sitcoms like I Love Lucy. But many people from the cynical MTV generation on down just can't do that. We all grew up on The Simpsons, South Park, and Family Guy, where every canard of mainstream media culture was mocked to death. For us, the more fake actors we see, and the more elaborate pretense you use to try and get our money, the less we want to let you have it, and the even-less-than-that we want to put up with watching you try.

If stations are suffering because the advertiser-sought age groups are turning against their advertising, then before selling out for the real estate value, maybe it might be worth looking into whether there's something about their advertising today, versus that advertising merely existing, that's driving their most desired demographics away. Perhaps it's something industry and advertisers could work together to change stylistically.
 
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If stations are suffering because the advertiser-sought age groups are turning against their advertising, then before selling out for the real estate value, maybe it might be worth looking into whether there's something about their advertising today, versus that advertising merely existing, that's driving their most desired demographics away. Perhaps it's something industry and advertisers could work together to change stylistically.

Whack a mole would be easier.
 
I heard a PSA today with two women talking about the weather, Woman 1 and Woman 2. It was very confusing, and finally turned out to be about foster kids. It was annoying as hell, and I can assure you if I ever hear it again it will take less than 3 seconds to hit the next preset. In fact, I can't fathom why any station would play the spot it's such a turn-off. And then we wonder why people are using Spotify.
 
I heard a PSA today with two women talking about the weather, Woman 1 and Woman 2. It was very confusing, and finally turned out to be about foster kids. It was annoying as hell, and I can assure you if I ever hear it again it will take less than 3 seconds to hit the next preset. In fact, I can't fathom why any station would play the spot. And then we wonder why people are using Spotify.
Search for “PSAs” on this site and you’ll find the answer
 
Between constant ads for hot tub sales ('be advised!'), tax relief and Progressive Insurance, morning zoos that blab about yesterday's episode of 'The Real Housewives of (Anytown USA)', and constant sweepers to tell your Smart Speaker to play 95.5 the 'X', no wonder the under-40s are going to Spotify/YouTube, and a fraction to SiriusXM.
DJs aren't as relevant to them as they were to under-40s in 1984. Or even 2004. Spotify allows for fewer ads, more music, less blabber.

Christian Contemporary radio is a little different than that. They seem to be spiking in popularity with all age groups (just look at the success of the Air1/K-LOVE begathons, their sponsored concerts, etc.). Also, country radio is still relevant. Here in Idaho, KTSY 89.5 in Boise (88.3 McCall) is my #1 preset in the car. Great LOCAL talent and a good morning show, too. CCM is also safe for children and has no references to sex, drugs, or swear words, which makes parents happy.
 
Advertisers largely have themselves to blame.

To achieve the greatest ROI per placement, they craft commercials that appeal almost exclusively to the psychologies of individuals who are the easiest to seduce into making impulsive purchases -- to describe them politely. This typically means that for everybody else, most commercials are varying degrees of irritating to outright unbearable.

Internet advertisers also shot themselves in the feet early on in their own ways. Recall their epidemics of "shaking" animated GIF banners, pop-up windows, pop-under windows, browser hijackers, seedy and deceptive visual designs meant to imitate OS prompt boxes, virulent shockwave flash objects, etc.

Platforms like Youtube and Pluto frequently insert their advertisements recklessly into videos. On sites like Youtube, they constantly interrupt videos mid-sentence, and with Hollywood-produced content on platforms like Pluto, they do that even in spite of the availability of commercial blacks.

There's a reason DVRs and Spotify and ad blockers became such big things. In more ways than one, advertisers and advertisements have become like those individuals who get on public transportation and blithely sit down next to people despite being 3 pack a day smokers -- who haven't showered in 3 weeks.

Does anybody have a local Jewelry Exchange outlet in their area? Look at the way this company advertises:


All their commercials look and sound like that. And any time one appears on television in L.A., my hand never jumps for the remote to hit mute. They simply aren't capable of being annoying, because they're so low key and get straight to the point of just enumerating what's for sale and how much it costs while showing some basic, pleasant visuals of the merchandise.

What drives the younger generations (and other early adopters of advertising avoidance like me) away from modern commercials, by comparison, is the high budget, ultra-produced corporate advertising styles that agencies employing boardrooms filled with advertising psychology majors all want to crank out. Does having internet service delivered by Spectrum's DOCSIS protocol instead of by Frontier's XGS-PON really fill a household with patronizingly trendy actors experiencing epiphanal symphonies of group internet euphoria, enabling them to charge through their days together with suddenly re-energized tablets while wildly smiling and nodding 'yes' at the vividly expanded universe of cyberdelights their screens have only now been empowered to bestow upon them by [Corporate Product]? Many millennials and zoomers are incredibly sensitive and averse to insincere bullshit. High-trust generations like the boomers were open to lending advertisers the same suspension of disbelief they lent scripted sitcoms like I Love Lucy. But many people from the cynical MTV generation on down just can't do that. We all grew up on The Simpsons, South Park, and Family Guy, where every canard of mainstream media culture was mocked to death. For us, the more fake actors we see, and the more elaborate pretense you use to try and get our money, the less we want to let you have it, and the even-less-than-that we want to put up with watching you try.

If stations are suffering because the advertiser-sought age groups are turning against their advertising, then before selling out for the real estate value, maybe it might be worth looking into whether there's something about their advertising today, versus that advertising merely existing, that's driving their most desired demographics away. Perhaps it's something industry and advertisers could work together to change stylistically.
Your point about mainstream media culture mocked to death reminds me of a scene in Family Guy with Brian and Stewie on the radio...

I largely agree with your point here. Ads used to have pleasant jingles and whatnot. I actually enjoy listening to airchecks with classic advertisements. Compared to modern day ads... they're a delight! And I will absolutely go out of my way not to shop at places and buy products with advertisements that annoy the heck out of me.
 
I largely agree with your point here. Ads used to have pleasant jingles and whatnot. I actually enjoy listening to airchecks with classic advertisements. Compared to modern day ads... they're a delight! And I will absolutely go out of my way not to shop at places and buy products with advertisements that annoy the heck out of me.
The 50s/60s oldies station on an HD and translator in Asheville NC would air classic ads instead of actual ads, the ads that used to air when the music was popular.
 
The 50s/60s oldies station on an HD and translator in Asheville NC would air classic ads instead of actual ads, the ads that used to air when the music was popular.
A sure sign of lacking revenue from current advertisers.
I run one classic spot per break on my 50s/60s/70s show. It's not due to a lack of advertisers, but because it adds to the experience.

I've gotten a lot of positive listener feedback regarding the vintage ads, and absolutely zero negative feedback...
 
I run one classic spot per break on my 50s/60s/70s show. It's not due to a lack of advertisers, but because it adds to the experience.

I've gotten a lot of positive listener feedback regarding the vintage ads, and absolutely zero negative feedback...

That was not my point. Chimp indicated that the Asheville station only runs classic ads "instead of actual ads" and that is an indication of lack of advertisers.
 
I run one classic spot per break on my 50s/60s/70s show. It's not due to a lack of advertisers, but because it adds to the experience.

I've gotten a lot of positive listener feedback regarding the vintage ads, and absolutely zero negative feedback...

Keep in mind that running classic ads might open you up to legal issues:


There are potential talent fees and music licenses if the copyright holder finds out. It's one reason why you see recreations, rather than originals.
 
I run one classic spot per break on my 50s/60s/70s show. It's not due to a lack of advertisers, but because it adds to the experience.

I've gotten a lot of positive listener feedback regarding the vintage ads, and absolutely zero negative feedback...

There are potential talent fees and music licenses if the copyright holder finds out. It's one reason why you see recreations, rather than originals.

Now you have some negative feedback ... :rolleyes:
 
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