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Defining "classic" rock
- Thread starter 50kguy
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KOOL Listener Lauren said:
The Nurse and I couldn't agree more and concur with Landtuna awarding KooLaurern a Masters Degree. In the final analysis, "Classic Rock" is defined by what classic rock listeners accept as truthful, not what K-Slack's PD sez it is. While we don't consider anything by Mungo Jerry to be classic rock, there are those who refuse to believe our '76 Gremlin is a classic car
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dudeguy
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It's all subjective, isn't it. Mungo Jerry in my mind definitely is Classic Rock. But I heard a song on KSLX this morning....I think it was called Walking in Memphis.......definitely not Classic. Will Classic Rock start to embrace '90s rock? I think it should. Classic rock nominees:
Nirvana? Yes.
Collective Soul? yes
STP? Questionable.
Sheryl Crow? I love songs like Steve McQueen, but it's not Classic Rock.
Nirvana? Yes.
Collective Soul? yes
STP? Questionable.
Sheryl Crow? I love songs like Steve McQueen, but it's not Classic Rock.
Man, it really is subjective, dudeguy! I'm surprised at how strongly I feel about this.
I just totally disagree that Nirvana and STP should be played on a Classic Rock station. What's next, Pearl Jam?
For whatever reason, I feel as though "Oldies stations" should play songs from the '50s-'70, and "Classic Rock stations" should play songs from the '60s-'80s...maybe early '90s...but anything past '91-'92 makes me squirm! I know that's ridiculous, but I just have this timetable in my head. Beyond Aerosmith & Van Halen in the early '90s....man, I just think that's the end of the line.
I also feel like Nirvana/STP/Pearl Jam are a little too alternative. Even though they were in A rotation on Rock stations back in tha day, I still believe they're alternative/modern rock/whatever-you-want-to-call-it bands that don't belong on a Classic Rock station.
And dudeguy, you're right about Sheryl Crow..."All I Wanna Do" & "Leavin Las Vegas" both came out in '94...THEY DON'T FIT MY TIMETABLE...SO NO, NO, NO!!! LOL!!! ;D
I think we need to honor music in terms of eras. Music from that chunk of time...Classic rock from the '60s-early 90s was very special. It was the foundation for all music beyond it.
IMHO, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was a groundbreaking song that signified the end of that era, and brought with it the start of an entirely new era of music (And technology.) "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and Nirvana basically started it all, and I believe that's the line in the sand.
I just totally disagree that Nirvana and STP should be played on a Classic Rock station. What's next, Pearl Jam?
For whatever reason, I feel as though "Oldies stations" should play songs from the '50s-'70, and "Classic Rock stations" should play songs from the '60s-'80s...maybe early '90s...but anything past '91-'92 makes me squirm! I know that's ridiculous, but I just have this timetable in my head. Beyond Aerosmith & Van Halen in the early '90s....man, I just think that's the end of the line.
I also feel like Nirvana/STP/Pearl Jam are a little too alternative. Even though they were in A rotation on Rock stations back in tha day, I still believe they're alternative/modern rock/whatever-you-want-to-call-it bands that don't belong on a Classic Rock station.
And dudeguy, you're right about Sheryl Crow..."All I Wanna Do" & "Leavin Las Vegas" both came out in '94...THEY DON'T FIT MY TIMETABLE...SO NO, NO, NO!!! LOL!!! ;D
I think we need to honor music in terms of eras. Music from that chunk of time...Classic rock from the '60s-early 90s was very special. It was the foundation for all music beyond it.
IMHO, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was a groundbreaking song that signified the end of that era, and brought with it the start of an entirely new era of music (And technology.) "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and Nirvana basically started it all, and I believe that's the line in the sand.
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The Beave
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I have written over 30 articles on "Where is the FORMAT line drawn?" I both have been in the nashville music community which is becoming less and less country every day as it is traditionally defined. Just like "Classic Rock" and "oldies" there is some misconception where the line is drawn.
Cindy Lauper IS NOT Classic rock. it may fall as "Classic Hits" or (really a stretch) oldies.
I'll save the soapbox for someone else.
that's my quarter's worth.
Cindy Lauper IS NOT Classic rock. it may fall as "Classic Hits" or (really a stretch) oldies.
I'll save the soapbox for someone else.
that's my quarter's worth.
No!!! Cyndi Lauper is too pop to be on a Classic Rock station! :-*
Next you'll say Madonna belongs, too!
And Michael Jackson!
And then it will be Milli Vinilli...
And then New Kids On The Block!!
LOL!
All kidding aside, I do wonder why KSLX doesn't play the Gin Blossoms...hometown angle and all.
#1 hits and all!!!
Certainly more Rock & Roll than Cyndi Lauper!
Next you'll say Madonna belongs, too!
And Michael Jackson!
And then it will be Milli Vinilli...
And then New Kids On The Block!!
LOL!
All kidding aside, I do wonder why KSLX doesn't play the Gin Blossoms...hometown angle and all.
#1 hits and all!!!
Certainly more Rock & Roll than Cyndi Lauper!
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The Beave
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wallaceandladmo4ever said:
Michael Jackson & Milli Vanilli - DEFINATELY - Adult Hits
if at all. :-X
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FeeKnixRadio
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landtuna said:
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Ah, Lauper as classic rock? Outside of the fact the song was written by one of the Hooters there really isn't any logical connection to classic rock. Unless maybe it is Capt. Lou Albano that links it to the rock universe?For those who lived here in the mid eighties, did any of the rock stations play "Time After Time"?
Collective Soul has such an IRONIC name, since it is, in point of fact, the most soul-LESS grouping in the history of music.
For "worst collection of dudes trying to play music ever" (read: not "band"), it's a tie between them and Barenaked Ladies.
These hacks make 80s hair metal seem like Beethoven, and that's *not* a stretch.
For "worst collection of dudes trying to play music ever" (read: not "band"), it's a tie between them and Barenaked Ladies.
These hacks make 80s hair metal seem like Beethoven, and that's *not* a stretch.
Saladressing said:
I never understood Collective Soul's appeal either, but I have to come to the defense of "hair metal." Was it cheesy? Yeah, a lot of it was, but the musicianship was pretty top notch. Steve Vai, John Sykes, Billy Sheehan, Nuno Bettencourt, Michael Schenker, Zakk Wylde, Paul Gilbert...some excellent players.
...for years now (and there's nothing to suggest I should change it), my definition of "classic rock" has been whatever the PD had playing on his van's stereo while he was in the back losing his virginity...
Landtuna had some good points on this topic.
I guess I'm so used to the same stuff from the local rock stations that when I do hear something different, it gets me to thinking. For instance, I heard Beastie Boys "Brass Monkey" on KDKB this morning...whoa. And a few months ago, I had the same reaction when I heard one of Matchbox 20's singles off their debut CD on KSLX. Sadly, I have begun to think of new bands as kids...because they are kids...so, by extension, I guess I'm getting older.
So much of classic, or whatever, is in the eye of the beholder...I have this Billboard "Rock Movers & Shakers - Rvsd and Enlrgd" book, and it is purportedly "the people who made rock happen"...and it has Randy Travis in it...Randy F-in Travis.
I guess I'm so used to the same stuff from the local rock stations that when I do hear something different, it gets me to thinking. For instance, I heard Beastie Boys "Brass Monkey" on KDKB this morning...whoa. And a few months ago, I had the same reaction when I heard one of Matchbox 20's singles off their debut CD on KSLX. Sadly, I have begun to think of new bands as kids...because they are kids...so, by extension, I guess I'm getting older.
So much of classic, or whatever, is in the eye of the beholder...I have this Billboard "Rock Movers & Shakers - Rvsd and Enlrgd" book, and it is purportedly "the people who made rock happen"...and it has Randy Travis in it...Randy F-in Travis.
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Jeremy Oliver
Guest
Kudos to KDKB for playing The Beastie Boys- they rock! Plus, hard to believe, but those guys have been around for over 20 years.....Classic!
Interesting topic.
The Classic Rock positioning statement is somewhat distorted. One has to be careful when scheduling music for this format . I don't have all the answers,however, I believe a rock station that positions itself as a 'rock' station will benefit and create more selections on your MM or Selector . Again, a good MD with a good ear for rock radio should know what fits on his/her station. 'Brass Monkey' would certainly not be my choice. Beasties~Fight To Party would be the better choice. Songs that rock:Guitars,Bass,Drums,Lead Vox NO synth . No ballads,down tempo and no Journey lol! Sure, you can keep Journey on the classic rock stations. Rock needs to ROCK ! AC.DC,TOOL,(Yes..Collective Soul) Seether,Buckcherry,Zep,Stones71-78 era),Who,Eagles(Eagles songs that rock: 'in the city',life life in the fast lane,etc) Cyndi Lauper imo does not belong anywhere on classic rock/hits. Would like to hear it on an 80's weekend spotlight. Active Rock is another beast that requires attn to detail when scheduling music. Some active rock bands can easily be heard on rock stations. One just has to know the difference.
Tempo Flow Era and a good ear for the format. Don't hit f-9 and walk away
The Classic Rock positioning statement is somewhat distorted. One has to be careful when scheduling music for this format . I don't have all the answers,however, I believe a rock station that positions itself as a 'rock' station will benefit and create more selections on your MM or Selector . Again, a good MD with a good ear for rock radio should know what fits on his/her station. 'Brass Monkey' would certainly not be my choice. Beasties~Fight To Party would be the better choice. Songs that rock:Guitars,Bass,Drums,Lead Vox NO synth . No ballads,down tempo and no Journey lol! Sure, you can keep Journey on the classic rock stations. Rock needs to ROCK ! AC.DC,TOOL,(Yes..Collective Soul) Seether,Buckcherry,Zep,Stones71-78 era),Who,Eagles(Eagles songs that rock: 'in the city',life life in the fast lane,etc) Cyndi Lauper imo does not belong anywhere on classic rock/hits. Would like to hear it on an 80's weekend spotlight. Active Rock is another beast that requires attn to detail when scheduling music. Some active rock bands can easily be heard on rock stations. One just has to know the difference.
Tempo Flow Era and a good ear for the format. Don't hit f-9 and walk away
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