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Difference between Hip Hop and Rap

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I cant totally answer this question,, but to me,, Rap music is any music that is Rapped,, but Hip Hop can include Rap, but also stuff like Beyonce, Rhianna, Neyo, Chris Brown,,, ETC.... forgive me if im wrong. but i think Hip Hop includes the upbeat pop friendly R&B artist, while Rap is simply still just music that is Rapped,,, like LIL Wayne.... Am I wrong????? I probably am,,, someone clue me on this... Rapking,,, Fresh... anybody that knows urban music well.
 
Do you have the song title so I can youtube it, or look on Imeem??? I'll look myself real quick, but it would help to know the song title.. I would say KRS One is RAP....
 
HIP-HOP is NO Pop music what so ever. Rap music is more of the old school and underground music from the 80s. Rap in 2009 is Hip-Hop, but no way Lady GaGa or Britney Spears will ever be considered Hip-Hop artist. The Top 40 R&B artist can be considered Hip-Hop music on radio stations, but they'll always be considered R&B. Kinda like how the Rhythmic stations say they'e "#1 for Hip-Hop" or "#1 for Hits & Hip-Hop." They play R&B artist, but never position themselves "#1 for Hip-Hop and R&B" like the Urbans.
 
Thats why I think Hot 107.9 is the best Atlanta urban... V is too much Ballads, but its heritage for an older audience... The Beat isnt really a true Urban, or a true Rhythmic, they ignore the newer cutting edge Hip Hop, but they dont play much dance-POP either... I think The Beat should go to a Youth friendly CHR since Q and star are both Adult Top 40s, and they will never keep up with the African American audience with their current playlist, and lack of a good signal... I mean, their signal is powerful, but its like 50 miles from Downtown, and all the buildings and the heavily wooded city of Atlanta make The Beat hard to hear in Downtown and in the west.

I used to listen to The Beat when in Atlanta like 10 yrs ago when it was closer to a real CHR, and then Q-100 came along, and it was real good when it was new... Now when im in Atlanta I listen to hot 107.9 unless something really bad, or a comercial comes on...
 
the difference between hiphop and rap
hipho is have more than message in the music.
where rap more of radio friendly sound.
 
You see, I thought it just the Opposite... thought that RAP was the Harder more Dark and less focus on Beats, and more on Lyrics, While Hip Hop has more complex beats and more radio friendly, upbeat, hit friendly, and catchy hooks..

I guess from what I read the difference, or lack there of is opinionated. Some say Hip Hop is the culture,, urban Culture that kinda breaks down the barriers of Black, White, hispanic,, ETC... While Rapping is something that you do,,, and not really a culture.
 
Mid West Clubber said:
You see, I thought it just the Opposite... thought that RAP was the Harder more Dark and less focus on Beats, and more on Lyrics, While Hip Hop has more complex beats and more radio friendly, upbeat, hit friendly, and catchy hooks..

I guess from what I read the difference, or lack there of is opinionated. Some say Hip Hop is the culture,, urban Culture that kinda breaks down the barriers of Black, White, hispanic,, ETC... While Rapping is something that you do,,, and not really a culture.
Some say Hip Hop is a culture and rapping is something that you do .. Thats how it is where I am from . Alot of stations claim to be a Hip Hop station but are they really a hip hop station ? Hot 93.7 ( Hartford CT ) is a Hip Hop station while Jamn 94.5 ( Boston ) is not a Hip hop station . Any station can play Hip Hop music ( Rap ) but can they feel The Hip Hop Music ( know the culture of the Hip Hop movement ).
 
Mid West Clubber said:
Thats why I think Hot 107.9 is the best Atlanta urban... V is too much Ballads, but its heritage for an older audience... The Beat isnt really a true Urban, or a true Rhythmic, they ignore the newer cutting edge Hip Hop, but they dont play much dance-POP either... I think The Beat should go to a Youth friendly CHR since Q and star are both Adult Top 40s, and they will never keep up with the African American audience with their current playlist, and lack of a good signal... I mean, their signal is powerful, but its like 50 miles from Downtown, and all the buildings and the heavily wooded city of Atlanta make The Beat hard to hear in Downtown and in the west.

I used to listen to The Beat when in Atlanta like 10 yrs ago when it was closer to a real CHR, and then Q-100 came along, and it was real good when it was new... Now when im in Atlanta I listen to hot 107.9 unless something really bad, or a comercial comes on...

Midwest, check dis.....

HOT 107.9 is "Your Digital Hip-Hop Station" and 95.5 THE BEAT is "#1 for Hip-Hop." Any true ATLien knows that HOT since the 97.5 days is ALWAYS gonna be Hip-Hop. Hate to sound racist, but the white suburban Rhythmic stations need to stop claiming this "#1 for Hip-Hop" crap. Not saying you have to be black to live or relate to the Hip-Hop culture, but most of these stations aren't even seen on the sides of town where Hip-Hop really lives. From listening to stations like 95.5 THE BEAT Atlanta and HOT 98.1 Greenville, its no way these on-air geeks are Hip-Hop to the core. Anybody can read a liner on-air and some Hip-Hop gossip off an entertainment website. Shot outs to the genius that came up with the "Hits and Hip-Hop" positioner for Rhythmics.
 
I agree,,, The Beat should be like.. A-Towns Party station and be similar to Power 96 Miami, or B-96 in Chicago.... I dont like the rhythmic stations to claim they are Hip Hop either, but I also dont like the Supposed CHR-POP stations to have an almost exclusively Urban playlist, but claim they are the Hit music station and play all the hits.. Examples,,WKSC Chicago, and Channel 95.5 Detroit...
 
Hip Hop, like it or not, is a valid music genre. It has all the elements of traditional music although put together in a unique way.

Rap is spoken word with a beat background. It is not music in any sense of the definition. It would be interesting to see how Rap would be accepted by mainstream listeners if it was more mainstream in message, less vulgar and not gang-banger oriented. Because of its reputation and that of its bad-boy performers it will remain a niche form with a "love it" or "hate it" audience and eventually disappear like Grunge.
 
I agree with you, Mid West Clubber. To me, rap is a subset of hip-hop, kind of like heavy metal is a subset of rock. Fans of heavy metal claim it is the only "real rock" because the more generic type of "rock" includes a lot of mass appeal pop music. Likewise, fans of rap may claim it is the only "real hip-hop" but I think hip-hop is broader than rap and can include upbeat pop and dance leaning r&b.
 
Hip Hop-Rap is never gonna just die,,, it will evolve However, and it already is.... Todays hip hop is much less focused on Violence, thugs, and Abuse toward woman.. Todays Hip Hop is a day N Nite..(NO PUN INTENDED) difference from how it was in the 90s with the east coast vs west coast, bloods vs crips image.

For instance, just as an example, you dont hear Akon promoting Sex and Violence,,, most of todays Radio Hit hip hop is about Partying and Love rather than Violence and killing, plus the beats are much better now days. There was once a time when I would have prefered a more Suburban Conservative Hip Hop Rhythmic like THE BEAT,, but now I prefer a real hip hop station... I still love CHR-Dance, and Rock music, but I think the Rhythmic stations should focus on a mix of dance, Hip Hop, and Rhythmic Pop with a youth-Street feel, like party 105.3 on Long Island, and the Former sound of 95.3 Party WPYO Orlando...

I laugh my arse off when I hear a station say they are The Official Number One Hip Hop station, and then they play Brittney Spears or Pink..... Not saying a Rhythmic cant play these songs, but if they do play them, are they really a Hip Hop station,,, not in my opinion.....

I have heard some weird surprises on Urban stations in the past though,,, Like Hot 107.9 used to play Brittney Spears- im a slave for you,,, and on V-they played Genie in a Bottle when it was new.. Still not as bad as when The Beat used to play Lady Marmelade 50 times a day... KDM brought this up not long ago,, thats how I found out about Hot and V playing those songs.
 
Look at Hot 97 in NYC.

They Play Lady Gaga and Black eye peas in regular rotation.

Not Really Hip Hop. They Do Get hard core at Times Jadakiss BIG What I Consider RAP. T-Pain Kanye West I consider Hip Hop

And they Use the Hip Hop and R&B Slogan.
 
To me (opinion of course) Mobb Deep, Dead Prez, Talib Kweli, Common, Nas, Outkast, Mos Def, Gang Starr, A Tribe Called Quest, are representative of true hip hop. Yet, trash by people like Souljah Boy and others gets 100+ spins a week. Most of the stuff on these urban/rhythmic stations to me at least do not play hip hop, but "hip pop" as it is refered to, a watered down version of the original.

As far as the original question goes, KRS summed it up: "Rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live."

Is there real hip hop on these stations nowadays? Very little, if that.
 
But does real hip hop have to glorify Gangs, Viloence, Drugs, and disrespect toward women... It wasnt like that back in the Grand Master Flash Days..... You can speak about the hardships of Urban Life, and even the Disrespect that alot of Police show Black Afro Americans,, and hispanics, which is totally wrong.. But cant hip hop be fun, upbeat and catchy, does it have to be so Drab, and be about killing people and SHizz... If Hip Hop still had that image I wouldnt embrace it, and neither would the suburban Rhythmics....

Im glad for people like Akon=MALE and Missy Elliot=Female keep their bad self touvh guy image, but they dont glorify violence......
 
Mid West Clubber said:
But does real hip hop have to glorify Gangs, Viloence, Drugs, and disrespect toward women... It wasnt like that back in the Grand Master Flash Days..... You can speak about the hardships of Urban Life, and even the Disrespect that alot of Police show Black Afro Americans,, and hispanics, which is totally wrong.. But cant hip hop be fun, upbeat and catchy, does it have to be so Drab, and be about killing people and SHizz... If Hip Hop still had that image I wouldnt embrace it, and neither would the suburban Rhythmics....

Im glad for people like Akon=MALE and Missy Elliot=Female keep their bad self touvh guy image, but they dont glorify violence......

If you're insinuating any of those groups or artists I mentioned glorify violence, you should take a listen to them before you say they glorify violence because most of them if not all of them are positive uplifting hip hop!
 
OH No... I wasnt refering to your artists mentioned at all... Their more like Intelligent Hip Hop... I was talking about the older... And I love some of these artists so I wont pin point who im referring to, but the old New York VS La Hip Hop, and the Bloods VS Crips type stuff...... Perhaps Junior Mafia...???
 
Hot 97 is a rhythmic station. They are no longer urban.... and I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind that change. I guess they are now one of those who also play hip hop influenced pop and dance hits, like many stations have started doing. No Britney, but yes Gaga because she's affiliated directly with an urban label. Hot 97 was also rhythmic back when Lisa Lisa, Trinere, Nocera, Cynthia, Corina... etc were big...

As far as hip hop goes, I really don't care for most of the stuff I used to love back in early 2001 or so. I remember always playing "bitches on my back" by Mobb Deep and a bunch of other stuff I discovered on Dj Clue and Dj Envy and other similar cd's, and I remember being banned from calling into a certain radio station's underground hip hop show because I'd always get the songs right and win every week and they got sick of me getting all the prizes 5 weeks straight... After my no call in time was up a few weeks later, I was soon banned again a second time for a few months.

Atlanta was pretty much the place that got me into the hard hip hop in the late 90's..... and it didn't help that all my favorite stations started switching to that everywhere else I went, but when 2007 hit, I started turning away from it once again for obvious reasons. If it wasn't for the changes that took place and the sudden disappearance of many dumb songs that were beginning to be released, I probably would've converted completely to alternative by now, because I was surely going in that direction once I began to hear some of the hits silly rappers were beginning to put out.

Thanks to Timbaland, Akon, Will-I-Am, Red One, Missy Elliott and all of those who are bringing back (and keeping true to) the true creativity of experimenting with different sounds. This is what keeps me interested. I also believe that Timbaland and Missy don't get all the credit and recognition they deserve for basically changing the sound of music twice..... (how many dance styled songs have you heard in the top 40/rhythmic charts after dance seemingly disappeared around late 2002 or so before "sexy back" and "lose control" were released? How many songs used that futuristic and complicated beats style that Timbaland and Missy kicked off in the late 90's before "one and a million" by Aaliyah was created and produced by Timbaland or before Missy's "I can't stop the rain"?" Think about it...) I give Timbaland and Missy most of the credit for where we are today as far as the electro-pop and dance sound. They opened up the doors for this sound to be accepted once again today (similar to how Nore and Nina Sky opened up the doors for reggaeton...), and who knows where this new modernized dance style will lead to? A modernized version House and Bass music is basically already back in many ways... If there was no "lose control" or "sexy back", then there would have been no "control myself" or "fergalicious" or "get up".... which eventually lead to... "closer", "disturbia", "forever".....etc. Rihanna's "s.o.s." alone wouldn't have been enough to re-jumpstart this entire trend of dance music (not to mention, that song came out unusually way too early because now would've been a more appropriate time to release it..) and Pitbull probably wouldn't be where he is today with his success in latin house hits if he did the exact same things without this whole evolution process unfolding the way it did. He'd most likely be stuck in latin charts. I'm not sure if Will-I-Am would've been able to start up this uptempo trend alone. Akon definitely wouldn't be getting by with most of the stuff he's done lately, and Lil Jon would probably still be making beats similar to "Yeah" by Usher, or "freek-a-leek" or "goodies"... or even the "snap yo fingaz" sound (btw, he (Lil Jon) is pretty much the one who returned us to the simple, easy to make beats, after the old school complicated style Timbaland and Missy beats started disappearing). As a matter of fact, without Timbaland and Missy coming back with a "new" dance style in 2004-2005, we would've probably gone in a completely different direction, and Dj Class would probably just be sitting somewhere very bored right now..............etc. (Outkast is just one of a kind, and no matter what happens in music, they have their own sound, no one copies it, and they neither follow or set any trends.)

Dr Dre was good too, but as hot as his beats are, they were never as complicated as Timbaland and Missy's late 90's, early 2000 style. The Neptunes I would say got many of their 2000 style sound ideas from Timbaland...

Well, anyway..... I do like quite a bit of the recent stuff coming out these days with sensible lyrics, but nowadays I will (once again) no longer accept anything with (how can I put this delicately?) stupid and unnecessary lyrics, and I have my reasons for this, which I will not get into on this site. I also have people that have asked me "how could you get tired of hip hop? that's your heritage" because I am black, but, I also do not follow these "rules" of society that people create that most religiously live up to, which is also another separate topic I will not address here at this time. Unfortunately, I was deeply into all this uncut hip hop stuff when my sister was at a very young age and kept exposing it to her, so now I am paying the price for that. She is now the age I was around 2000 or 2002, 2003 or so when I was always feeding her this unedited music, so just think about it... In reality, I shouldn't say I've lost interest in hip hop, but rather, I've lost interest in the typical sound of hip hop.

Hip hop will indeed never die, but just continue to evolve, just like rock n roll, jazz, disco, and other forms of music that have already had their first big break into the mainstream. As of right now, we are headed into an electro-pop direction, which may eventually lead into the return of a new style of dance/house/breaks...etc... but I wont even get into this here now because that is a whole new topic in itself. Things are looking pretty exciting when it comes to dance music because if you look at how long the hip hop phase and generation has lasted, the chances are that the dance sound could very well last just as long, and this time manage to co-exist with other genres on the charts instead of just dying again when its "high" passes, just like rock and other genres have managed to continue charting a bit along with whatever became the next big thing, even after its time has passed. Country? well, let me not even get into that. That style of music is like health care in a weak economy. No matter what happens in music, country continues to seemingly remain consistent in it's own unique way. They even have their own separate music channel dedicated purely to that genre alone on t.v, and always seem to continuously maintain a certain level of popularity within itself, regardless of what other phases are taking place in other genres of music.

Oh, by the way, Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live. (Hmmmm... I probably should've just started with that to begin with!)
 
By the way, I did used to enjoy those days of the late 90's and early 2000's sound of dirty south "bounce music", when everybody was screaming on the track like Miracle, Drama, and Pastor Troy, and Timbaland perfected the beat patterns of songs like "shut up" by Trick Daddy, "Jigga What" by Jay-Z, "Roll Out" by Ludacris... etc and all those who imitated the beat style.

But think about this question, regarding the difference between hip hop and rap. it could be taken to a much deeper level. Think about how things change and evolve over time. What will be the future of hip hop and rap? Would the definitions of hip hop and rap change to adapt with the evolution of the music, style and sound?

And lets say that just like dance, hip hop just happens to evolve to a point where it makes a huge come back on the charts among the next generation of kids who will follow the kids of today. What would it be like, and could the whole west coast verses east coast thing just happen to take place again? Or could it be between the north and south by then? What would the result be if hip hop resurfaced to the top of the charts after space colonization began and people started cohabiting on our neighbor planet? Could there be a battle between the cultures of the both planet, similar to the east coast and west coast thing? Could this create a whole new generation of planetary gangs if the gangsta rap were to pop back during those times? Could it be possible that you could release a hit on one planet, but it only charts on the other? Today, we have our ideas and opinions on what the difference between hip hop and rap is, but 10 - 20 years from now,

WILL IT ALL BE THE SAME?

Will our kids be willing to carry on this definition once we all pass? And were our definitions today considered accurate back when our parents were kids? I bet if this same question were asked every ten years, the answer would be slightly (or even significantly) different each time. As we move into an age where people are not really rapping on booty bass beats, but actual electro house and breakbeats, that alone is a mark in the evolution of time and change, where the definition and differences of rap and hip hop are currently in a state of transition from what it once was to what it will be to the kids of the future....

But when you really think about it, the saying "Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live" could always apply, regardless of what evolutions or changes take place. You'll either
1. Rap on a new modernized beat sound, or
2. Live according to whatever the new hip hop way of life is at any certain time.

Will the two always be related? Who knows. People love to change things, and maybe someday at some point, hip hop will become completely different and independent of rap.
 
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