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"Digital Radio Rules, Dude!" is the title of a new article in Radio World, now online http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0054/t.5515.html
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Mike Walker said:
YAWN.... Nothing really new or worth reading there.. same old news... The average Joe isn't reading this....
Sorry....
Radiopilot
Mike Walker said:
I sent the HD/IBOC shill the usual stuff, the other day, just as to Guy Wire:
Hi ****,
I've copied this to Skip.
Paul
Paul J. McLane
Editor in Chief/U.S.
Radio World - The Newspaper for Radio Managers & Engineers
Radio World Engineering Extra
Radio World Online
(703) 998-7600, ext. 117
E-mail: [email protected]
Web: www.rwonline.com
>>> <***************> 4/27/2007 5:27 PM >>>
Skip,
Your article is just the same cheerleading, that I have generally seen in the Press - in reality, there is little consumer interest in HD Radio, and little to no interest from automakers. HD/IBOC is not a done-deal, as the FCC has left it up to the marketplace to decide the fate of HD Radio. HD/IBOC is just another standard, as with FMeXtra, not THE standard - I have sent some of these articles to Guy Wire before, but they realistically show the behind-the-scenes with HD Radio:
"HD Radio on the Offense"
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/2007-03-07/music/hd-radio-on-the-offense
"Sirius, XM, and HD: Consumer interest reality check"
"While interest in satellite radio is diminishing, interest in HD shows no
signs of a pulse."
http://www.hear2.com/2007/02/sirius_xm_and_h.html
"U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio"
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN2632750220070427?pageNumber=1
"Bridge Ratings: Sweat the cell phone and don't count on HD"
http://www.hear2.com/2007/04/bridge_ratings_.html#comments
"But is 'availability' of HD radios the problem?"
http://www.hear2.com/2007/04/but_is_availabi.html#comments
"Is Pay-for-Play HD Content on Horizon?"
http://rwonline.com/pages/s.0049/t.4028.html
"HD Radio Effort Undermined by Weak Tuners in Expensive Radios"
http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/7002/hd-radio2.html
"The FCC Tunes Into HD Radio--And May Turn Off Distant AM"
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2007/03/the_fcc_greenlights_hd_radio_n.html
"RW Opinion: Rethinking AM's future"
http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0044/t.557.html
Yea radiopilot, I'de say this thread is worth a big YAWN !
PocketRadio said:
How'd that message work out for you? Did they get your point? Did they agree with you? Should we be looking for a shift in their editorial policy? Perhaps an out and out retraction?
I'll bet they were exceptionally surprised to read the article that came from their own magazine. No way they would have know about that. Must have been a revelation.
Clouseau
clouseau said:
I don't know yet, but I'll let you know. Actually, a few months back, when I sent Guy Wire comments against one of his many HD/IBOC shill articles, my comments got posted against his article. Also, after I sent RW the East Bay Express article on how HD Radio is a scam, RW referenced/linked the article in on of their Daily News Bytes, in the Programming section. So actually, the effort has been worth it - thanks for asking !
PocketRadio said:Mike Walker said:
I sent the HD/IBOC shill the usual stuff, the other day, just as to Guy Wire:
Hi ****,
I've copied this to Skip.
Paul
Paul J. McLane
Editor in Chief/U.S.
Radio World - The Newspaper for Radio Managers & Engineers
Radio World Engineering Extra
Radio World Online
(703) 998-7600, ext. 117
E-mail: [email protected]
Web: www.rwonline.com
>>> <***************> 4/27/2007 5:27 PM >>>
Skip,
Your article is just the same cheerleading, that I have generally seen in the Press - in reality, there is little consumer interest in HD Radio, and little to no interest from automakers. HD/IBOC is not a done-deal, as the FCC has left it up to the marketplace to decide the fate of HD Radio. HD/IBOC is just another standard, as with FMeXtra, not THE standard - I have sent some of these articles to Guy Wire before, but they realistically show the behind-the-scenes with HD Radio:
"HD Radio on the Offense"
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/2007-03-07/music/hd-radio-on-the-offense
"Sirius, XM, and HD: Consumer interest reality check"
"While interest in satellite radio is diminishing, interest in HD shows no
signs of a pulse."
http://www.hear2.com/2007/02/sirius_xm_and_h.html
"U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio"
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN2632750220070427?pageNumber=1
"Bridge Ratings: Sweat the cell phone and don't count on HD"
http://www.hear2.com/2007/04/bridge_ratings_.html#comments
"But is 'availability' of HD radios the problem?"
http://www.hear2.com/2007/04/but_is_availabi.html#comments
"Is Pay-for-Play HD Content on Horizon?"
http://rwonline.com/pages/s.0049/t.4028.html
"HD Radio Effort Undermined by Weak Tuners in Expensive Radios"
http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/7002/hd-radio2.html
"The FCC Tunes Into HD Radio--And May Turn Off Distant AM"
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2007/03/the_fcc_greenlights_hd_radio_n.html
"RW Opinion: Rethinking AM's future"
http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0044/t.557.html
Yea radiopilot, I'de say this thread is worth a big YAWN !
PocketRadio,
Is there anyway to send these same links to Ibiquity, the NAB, all members of the Congress and the Senate, along with the FCC since they're the ones who mandated IBOC in the first place... another set should be sent to all the major newspapers/periodicals as well.
I would surely like to read the editorials around the country regarding how the public airwaves were put to use by the corporate greed....
Radiopilot
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It wouldn't matter how many links you sent, any more than it matters how many you post here. Nobody's clicking on 'em, so go ahead...knock yourself out!
WOW, a link to someone else's opinion. I'll bet it's negative. Gotta' read that! Right after I read War and Peace in the original Russian. But I don't speak Russian. Plenty of time to learn. Then I'll get around to clicking on those links. Wait...there's lots of great literature in French. Better learn that too. But then....
WOW, a link to someone else's opinion. I'll bet it's negative. Gotta' read that! Right after I read War and Peace in the original Russian. But I don't speak Russian. Plenty of time to learn. Then I'll get around to clicking on those links. Wait...there's lots of great literature in French. Better learn that too. But then....
radiopilot said:
Yea, I already sent them to iBiquity (someone from iBiquity actually emailed me back and asked who I was), the HD Radio Alliance, the FCC, Senator Sununu, about 25 HD Radio reporters, and posted them as comments to many HD Radio articles and blogs. Some of the HD Radio reporters stated that they have read similar information, so word must be getting around about the HD Radio scam - the only problem is that most of the HD Radio reporters seem to have been paid-off by iBiquity. A number of blogs have republished some of the links, especially the Statsaholic and Google Trends links, like this one:
"iPods no threat to radio?"
"Mark Ramsey at Hear 2.0: Every so often someone in the radio industry trots out a study which says iPods really aren't that threatening to the radio industry's long-term health and welfare. Folks get tired of maintaining them, they will say. They're just a new form of Walkman, say others. And the radio industry has (apparently) spent a bazillion dollars promoting HD radio. Check out the Google Trends graph posted as one of the comments. Everything might turn out roses and sunshine for Radio but it won't be because of HD."
http://www.smays.com/default/2007/01/ipods_no_threat.html
Can't say, that I am not doing my part !
Mike Walker said:
Actually, these links got picked up by Audio Graphics (remember), from a comment I left in Autoblog:
"HD Radio - Movement in the Real World"
http://www.audiographics.com/agd/040507-1.htm
Mike - remember to click on the links, or you will be in the minority !
Mike Walker said:
Ramsey is going to do a piece tomorrow on HD Radio subsciptions, after I sent him my thoughts and some links:
"Thanks. Interesting. I’ll post about this tomorrow."
Mark Ramsey
President
Mercury Radio Research
17090 Bernardo Center Drive, Suite 126
San Diego, CA 92128
858-485-MERC [6372]
http://www.mercradio.com
PocketRadio said:
I'm sure if Mr Ramsey wanted to post his feeelings in here he would and if we want to read the opinions of, as far as we know, an out of work consultant we can. At this time, he has no inside knowledge to share other then to post his opinions which bear no weight in the industry. If they did his consulting skills would be utlized.
R.F. Burns said:
"Satellite radio: 'More about the Net than the bird" October 25, 2006
"It's time for Howard Stern to podcast. Mark Ramsey, president of Mercury Radio Research and Hear2.0, firms which consult major radio broadcast groups, said today's freebie of Stern on the Net should be just the start."
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/barnako/2006/10/sell_stern_like.html
PocketRadio said:
I know people who know Stern personally and he's a nice guy but you wanna know something? The average person doesn't care any more. Both XM & Sirius are in big trouble and everyone knows where Stern is if they want to hear him.. Guess what? They don't. People have moved on. The major audience drop should tell everyone just how many people listen to radio compared with these other upstarts. Maybe Stern wil try to come back, like Opie & Anthiny have. I heard a clip of Stern recently and I think after his 5th or 6th gratuitous F*ck which sounded forced and crude I realized i'd had enough.
R.F. Burns said:
Ibiquity is no money winner either...
Financial Highlights
Revenue (2005): 9.30 Million
Employees (2005): 94
http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/140/140169.html
Wow... at those figures they'll be bust in no time as soon as everyone flicks the eye on the HD radios in the store...
Last year the company I'm doing some consulting work on 'filters' for the aerospace industry is at:
2 Billion in sales...
http://www.pall.com/investor.asp
And that is just filters... imagine that!
So you see that by no acceptance by the public.. Ibiquity will more or less survive to the teeter or brink of failure...
Funny isn't that what you're hoping for XM and Sirius... but it isn't happening... it's just a slow growth period.. people still want XM and Sirius, and as soon as satelite is standard equipment on all cars as the CD in standard... we'll see if people want the HD option!
Radiopilot
radiopilot said:
I'm trying to put this together. Ibiquity has profitability problems because a company that hires you as a consultant and sells filters for aerospace has over 2 billion in sales??
Do you have Leonard ghostwriting you material?
Seriously, the hate from the Anti bunch is getting WAY out of hand. And along with that goes any reasonableness in their contentions. Some of the pro side isn't a lot better.
C'mon guys, I'm all for a spirited discussion, but the nonesense and the abject hate is over the line. There are routinely reasonable arguements put fourth by both sides here on this board (Along with a lot of other tripe).
If it's your objective to drive the pro side away from this board, I'm sure that's possible. I'm sure there are many who see this board as one of the last pockets of resistance.
You know RP, there was a time when you seemed like a rational individual. I would bet you actually are. Don't let this junk overtake your humanity. I know I have issues with that at times. Still, what was it they told us to do when we got busy on something that we felt needed attention? Something about not forgetting to fly the airplane IIRC.
Clouseau
(Licensed Pilot, Non current Medical, AOPA member)
And no I DON"T own an airplane. I always found that my local FBO usually was a more economical alternative.
clouseau said:
You guys crack me up too... when all else fails you attack a person's credibility, EasyPeasy, Mike, RFBurns all take a shot at trying to discredit anybody that doesn't fall in line with the tune you guys play...
All I was saying in my last reply was that Ibiquity was no money winner in terms of it gaining financial strength with HD... and comparing it to a company I know and work for as a consultant that is FINACIALLY sound... is that hard for you to figure out, or does the comparison have to be 'radio' industry to be similar?
Now sorry you don't own an airplane, you can always talk to other pilots that don't own an airplane as well... just because we're both pilots don't mean we drink from the same glass.
My rationality is not at issue here and my performance or lack of it is not anything to garner a Honorable Degree on these boards, I come here to debate the issues but when I get senseless replies as in my previous posts, then the ridiculous factor comes to play...
I never told YOU I was a pilot... THAT was a discussion with Josh (thebroker) so I find it offensive that you try to bring up the 'airplane' issue with me... What... do you think we're going to trade stories on 'cross country flying' or 'my left magneto was faulty yesterday'?
Clouseau, you've proven to me that in a room full of people, by the way you talk, I'd walk the other way and start a converstion with PocketRadio or Chuck!
Radiopilot
radiopilot said:
Not at all. I would have used an example we all knew like say "Domino's Pizza" which had 1.6 Bil last year, instead of "A company I consult for", but I cheerfully conceed your point. There's a lot of companies that have revenues in excess of Ibiquity.
No need to be sorry. It's a choice of practicality not of need. IO just didin't fly enough to make it make any sense.
... just because we're both pilots don't mean we drink from the same glass.
Now I have to tell you here that I've probably met and talked to a few thousand pilots from an earlier job in my life. Mostly AA and CO, but a good deal of GA and Jet jockeys as well. I can honestly say, I've never seen any of them ever say that to me or anyone else who had their ticket. I've seen them throw a few punches at times (Actually had to dodge one once) and I've heard a few proclamations of questionable parentage, but I have never heard anything approximating "we don't drink from the same glass."
Maybe we don't. But I won't be saying that here or anywhere else.
Not at all. I have always considered those who fly to be in the same family. Just like ham radio operators. I merely replied about it because you have it in your screen name and you posted it on a public forum. I am sorry if I offended you. That was NOT my intent.
I'm sorry to see there is that level of bitterness between us. And that is heartfelt. However that said, don't expect me to grovel about it. I would suggest that you don't know who I am and I don't know who YOU are. There's a chance we've already met.
All The Best
Clouseau
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Mike Walker
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Words have meaning. Credibility should ALWAYS be factored into how seriously ones words should be taken. If a person has repeatedly misrepresented the comments/meanings/context of others, claiming they said things they didn't (like PocketRadio claiming that Master Thesus says HD radios aren't selling...when in fact the opposite is true, and posting links claiming to dispute points, or make points WHICH THEY DON'T), then that context certainly should attach itself to their future posts. Forget opinions, is the vast body of what a particular poster writes TRUE? When he backs up arguments with the words of others, does he fairly represent them? What could be MORE FAIR?
Speaking of fair, why should ANYONE consider for a second the claims of someone who posts "reviews" or products he doesn't own, and has never heard? (as someone here ADMITS to having done!) If yesterday I told you your grandmother died and she didn't, and the day before told you the stock market crashed and it didin't, and the day before that told you that Dick Cheney had come out of the closet and he hasn't, then why the hell would you believe me today if I gold you your the sky was falling, or that HD was a "failure"?
Speaking of fair, why should ANYONE consider for a second the claims of someone who posts "reviews" or products he doesn't own, and has never heard? (as someone here ADMITS to having done!) If yesterday I told you your grandmother died and she didn't, and the day before told you the stock market crashed and it didin't, and the day before that told you that Dick Cheney had come out of the closet and he hasn't, then why the hell would you believe me today if I gold you your the sky was falling, or that HD was a "failure"?
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By the way, I really should get a computer that can psell. "Digal Radio"???? Wow!
Mike Walker said:
Well said Mike... as you said they are just opinions without FACT, therefore your opinions are without MERIT as well... None of your statements mean nothing either so your posts are just meant for the amusement of others just as theirs are... Any REAL converstions with REAL people will be done outside thse boards and not in the general presence of others that might wwant to inject poison into it... I sorry I had to learn that with EasyPeasy earlier, but no one likes to be called something theie not, at least in a public forum...
So my take is you get back 3 fold what you put out... I came on these boards to debate the HD interference issue and it's come to all sorts of ridicule, so what comes around goes around....
Radiopilot
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