DISH and FOX

[Skynet74]

It's clear with that website they set up that FOX is pissed off and they are trying to push Dish into a corner.
PAY US MORE MONEY OR WE ARE GOING TO MAKE YOU LOSE CUSTOMERS TOO!

That smells of some sort of blackmail on FOX's part if you ask me.

I totally agree. If I were DISH I would stand my ground on this one. Who is FOX to try and make DISH Customers cancel just because DISH won't agree to pay more money? That is dangerously close to Blackmail!

 

[anotherguyTN]

The more I hear about this the more I believe that BOTH Fox and Dish are wrong in this, because they should have never let things get this far. The same goes for most of the other network/cable or dish disputes in the past. They BOTH deserve to lose in this dispute. Fox deserves to lose ratings and Dish deserves to lose subscribers.

 

[ChaseW]

Are the spots produced by KDVR?

I haven't seen any similar spots on WJW, though I could just have missed them. I'm still wondering if Fox is handling the carriage deal for the former Fox O&Os, though I'd actually expect Tribune to do it - Local TV is basically run by Tribune.

I'm not sure if KDVR produced the spots or not.

 

[EricStein]

The more I hear about this the more I believe that BOTH Fox and Dish are wrong in this, because they should have never let things get this far. The same goes for most of the other network/cable or dish disputes in the past. They BOTH deserve to lose in this dispute. Fox deserves to lose ratings and Dish deserves to lose subscribers.

Let's see the overnight ratings for the NLCS game, to see how the loss of Cablevision impacts them... Then they might think again about pulling the plug on Dish. We'll see if Cablevision keeps WNYW down during the Giants home game tomorrow - that will tick a lot of people off!

 

[Radio1360]

It's clear with that website they set up that FOX is p---ed off and they are trying to push Dish into a corner.

PAY US MORE MONEY OR WE ARE GOING TO MAKE YOU LOSE CUSTOMERS TOO!

Face it, DISH Network is letting greed get the better of them.

 

[wprt949]

directv needs to buyout dish network

im sure they got the cash

 

[EW0350]

WAGA-TV GOX5 is Fox O&O, so I imagine, unless this is settled, we're toast here ini Atlanta.

I agree both sides are guilty of greed in this, but sure is ironic DISH is running that series of ads with their "co-founder" touting they'll never charge you for HD channels, and their new branding attempt, "Let's watch TV."

As of right now [7:04 PED 10/17/2010, any movement in this?

 

[mleach]

directv needs to buyout dish network

im sure they got the cash

I believe Direct TV tried to do that once ( or was it the other way around ? ) either way it didn't happen.

 

[landtuna]

directv needs to buyout dish network

im sure they got the cash

I'm guessing they want to keep DISH around so there is no suggestion of 'monopoly'.

 

[JeeperOne]

Fox5 isn't included in the lockout. Only the Fox Sports regional networks, FX and NatGeo are effected.

According to ads recently on my local Fox station they will be locked out effective Nov 1 if a settlement isn't reached before then.

Not only that, but the ads don't distinguish the difference between O&Os & affiliates.

I know this because KDVR 31 is no longer owned by Fox (In fact, it's owned by Local Media, who also owns KWGN 2, the local CW affiliate), yet the ad specifically mentions KDVR.

What's strange though is that the ad makes NO REFERENCE WHATSOEVER to KWGN 2, MyNetwork TV (Also owned by News Corp., which also owns Fox) or any of its affiliates (In my case, that would be Gannett-owned KTVD 20 who also owns NBC affiliate KUSA 9).

Something tells me the ad is either a scare tactic (Which I DESPISE with a passion! ) or is a cookie cut national tailor made for each city (Which is deceiving to nearly 70% of the country).

Really strange.....

Just my opinion.....

Cheers

 

[JeeperOne]

[According to ads recently on my local Fox station they will be locked out effective Nov 1 if a settlement isn't reached before then.

Tuna, that is my understanding as well. And ini my conversations with DISH, they have not denied it.

I wonder how they are going to square this with the FCC "must carry" rule? And I know there are many of you out there saying "Why are we talking about TV on a radio discussion board?" Well, to me, media is media.

This thread is totally OT for this board, but from what I understand the "must carry" rule only applies to 1) broadcast stations on 2) cable, not satellite.

I'm not sure where you saw this because I saw this on the National TV board & am posting to that board. And this topic IS about TV.

So, what's wrong with it?

Cheers

 

[JeeperOne]

"Drop dish network" ads are currently running on several Atlanta RADIO stations, will that keep this thread here?

Ads are also running on Radio here in Denver as well BUT this is a TV matter. As such, it belongs on the TV board.

JMO.....

Cheers

 

[JeeperOne]

Fox5 isn't included in the lockout. Only the Fox Sports regional networks, FX and NatGeo are effected.

According to ads recently on my local Fox station they will be locked out effective Nov 1 if a settlement isn't reached before then.

Well, they are lying to you in an obvious attempt to gain the upper hand. Dish Network's deal with local affiliates is with the local affiliates, not Fox Broadcasting. This lock out only effects the Fox cable networks.

Then the radio ad I heard this morning was nothing more than a FREAKIN scare tactic

Like THAT is going to get the FOX properties back on DISH and/or intimidate/BULLY DISH??

JMO.....

Cheers

 

[EricStein]

directv needs to buyout dish network

im sure they got the cash

I'm guessing they want to keep DISH around so there is no suggestion of 'monopoly'.

Not everyone loves (or wants to subscribe to) DirecTV, either.

 

[JeeperOne]

Here's what I haven't figured out yet. Are the now-former Fox O&Os included in this dispute (as of 11/1) or not?

If you go to Fox's site on the dispute:

http://www.getwhatipaidfor.com/

...then put in a local ZIP code here, former Fox O&O WJW/8 is listed.

But the press release on the site doesn't list the markets Fox sold to Local TV some time back (including Cleveland):

http://getwhatipaidfor.com/press

DISH’s contract with Fox’s television stations is expiring in the following markets: Atlanta, Austin, Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Gainesville, FL, Houston, Los Angeles, Memphis, Minneapolis, New York, Orlando, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Tampa, and Washington D.C.

Note: those are only current Fox O&O markets. No Cleveland, no Denver, no Greensboro, etc...but the "check for your local station" dialog up at the top does list WJW.

I suspect it's just something that needs to be fixed at the top, but I know cases like the Time Warner Cable/Brighthouse Networks deal, where the cable side of rights in the Brighthouse networks still runs through former owner Time Warner.

I think Denver is also included because I have seen ads on KDVR (even though they are owned by Local TV) saying that Dish will drop them on Nov. 1 if they can't workout the contract issue.

That can't be true because MyNetwork TV is also owned by News Corp. & if DISH is taking off ALL News Corp. properties, that would include MyNetwork TV.

In Denver, that would include Gannett-owned KTVD 20 which also owns NBC affiiliate KUSA 9 & CW affiliate KWGN 2 (Also owned by Local Media).

The ad makes no sense whatsoever.

On top of that, Bronco fans who are DISH subscribers would complain (And as anybody knows, we Bronco fans can make lotsa noise! ) because if KDVR is not in the lineup when the St. Louis Rams visit Denver (Scheduled for a Sunday Afternoon on FOX later this year after flexing kicks in), I have little doubt there would be HELL to pay (And you know who loses when companies fight with each other - WE DO ).

As for the CU Buffs, not many people care about the football team or the men's basketball team. CSU & Air Force are both on TheMtn (Which DISH now carries when I checked) when they're not on Versus or CBS College Sports so no worries there. The Rockies are now out of season so no worry there (Yet). That only leaves the remaining local teams on FSN Rocky Mountain as well as anything on Fox Soccer Channel & the three Fox College Sports channels.

And if KWGN 2 is dragged down because it's the other part of the Local Media duopoly with KDVR 31, the Colorado Rapids would be affected. If KTVD 20 & KUSA 9 are both dragged down because KTVD 20 is affiliated with MyNetwork TV, that would affect the Broncos-Chargers game since KTVD 20 has the local MNF rights. It would also affect any Bronco games flexed to SNF (There are no originally scheduled games on SNF that involve the Broncos this year).

Sounds like DISH is acting like A BULLY IMO.....

Cheers

 

[JeeperOne]

The getwhatipaidfor.com site is a stroke of genius, really.

There's a part of me that is surprised that the other Fox networks aren't included in that but I could imagine that would be next...or at least as a last ditch effort. But I doubt it...Fox News is quite a cash cow for them

So is CNN, MSNBC, Bloomberg, etc.....etc.....etc.

Fox Business would also be affected.

Dumping Fox News & Fox Business wouldn't be anything that wouldn't (Or couldn't) be offset IMO

Cheers

 

[JeeperOne]

I think Denver is also included because I have seen ads on KDVR (even though they are owned by Local TV) saying that Dish will drop them on Nov. 1 if they can't workout the contract issue.

Are the spots produced by KDVR?

I haven't seen any similar spots on WJW, though I could just have missed them. I'm still wondering if Fox is handling the carriage deal for the former Fox O&Os, though I'd actually expect Tribune to do it - Local TV is basically run by Tribune.

Why would Local Media shoot themselves in the foot in Denver?

As I said before, Local Media also owns CW affiliate KWGN 2 WITH KDVR BEING THE PRIMARY SOURCE FOR NEWS

Makes no sense to me.....

JMO.....

Cheers

 

[azumanga]

I'm still wondering if Fox is handling the carriage deal for the former Fox O&Os, though I'd actually expect Tribune to do it - Local TV is basically run by Tribune.

Why would Local Media shoot themselves in the foot in Denver?
Makes no sense to me.....

Maybe the contract expiring for Fox O&Os include its former O&Os owned by Local TV, as well as Raycom-owned WBRC in Birmingham, as the contracts first went into effect when Fox still owned the stations.

In this case, I would believe that Local TV or Raycom would be handling the contract renewals, as they own the stations; however, it seems that Local TV is playing hardball using Fox's playbook.

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

Maybe the contract expiring for Fox O&Os include its former O&Os owned by Local TV, as well as Raycom-owned WBRC in Birmingham, as the contracts first went into effect when Fox still owned the stations.

THAT is what I am trying to figure out...if Fox (corporate) is still involved in the carriage deals for the O&Os they sold off a few years ago, including both WJW and KDVR.

People keep talking about ads about the topic here, but no one yet has identified the source of the ad. It could be coming from Dish. It could be coming from an alternative provider. We got ads here when TWC had its dispute with Fox, and in that case, FX was affected, but WJW (having already been sold to Local TV) was not. In Fox O&O markets, the station was affected.

FSOhio wasn't affected, because they have a separate deal with TWC.

In this case, I would believe that Local TV or Raycom would be handling the contract renewals, as they own the stations; however, it seems that Local TV is playing hardball using Fox's playbook.

I don't think Local TV is doing anything, other than just letting Fox handle the carriage agreement (if that's what is going on here, which we don't know). I'd be shocked if Local TV was behind anything. If anything, they would turn to Tribune for their cues.

 

[EricStein]

I just visited FOX's getwhatipaidfor.com site for curiosity's sake (as well as self-punishment), and while most of the feedback was supporting the network, I was surprised to see some FOX backlash (and not that regarding the supposed political leanings of FOX News, which normally comes up) in the "comments" section! I would have thought they would have employees screening the postings to make everything sound like everyone is mad at DISH for depriving them of their programs.