DJs as Artists -- Hate to Rain on the Parade, But....

[DavidKaye]

Only a true conformist would slobber over a very average jock like Beau Weaver due
to his hairstyle. Back in the day (70's) the long hair stoner look was so typical at
even the most vanilla Top 40 stations, that it was laughable.

At KFRC he was the only longhaired DJ. He has kept his long hair even to today. I'm not saying that this makes him an artist; I'm saying that this is one thing I've ADMIRED about him. Having had long hair myself during various times of my life (including now), I am well aware of pressures by people like you to cause us misery. This is why I admire Beau Weaver. He hasn't succumbed to the temptation to look like everybody else. And yet he still lands some of the best voiceover work in the nation, regardless of what he looks like.

Morgan-would have likely bi**h slap Kaye for even mentioning artist and DJ. Its about
influence and innovation. RWM was the first modern Top 40 morning talent.

My post is about artistry, so since I started the thread, I make the rules about the thread. Art, not mass appeal. As for Morgan being the first modern top-40 morning talent, that's probably debatable. I'd probably give that accolade to any number of people, including Bill Ballance.

Al Collins-tremendous originality and KNEW's own house of horrors, Michael Savage a
man who I disagree with politically but has more skills in presentation than any one
else. Artist...I'll let the drooling, NPR types work on that definition.

I'll agree that Michael Savage is an artist. But I was talking DJs, not talkshow hosts, since DJs were what John Mack Flannagan was originally talking about.

In the talkshow arena, there have been all kinds of artists from Jean Shepherd to Phil Hendrie, Sally Jessy Raphael to Long John Nebel, Rush Limbaugh to Bernie Ward, and of course, Michael Savage.

 

[LKellerIII]

"My post is about artistry, so since I started the thread, I make the rules about the thread. Art, not mass appeal. As for Morgan being the first modern top-40 morning talent, that's probably debatable. I'd probably give that accolade to any number of people, including Bill Ballance."

In my opinion, Robert W. Morgan may have been top 40 radio's first morning star, but that was as much due to the enormous success of KHJ and the Drake format as Morgan himself. KHJ's huge ratings meant something close to job stability for the Boss Jocks, whereas talented jocks at the other LA top 40 stations never held the morning drive spot for very long.

I don't think Bill Drake would have hired Ballance, but if you pick another strong jock like Dave Hull who would have fit into the Boss format, then bring Morgan down from Fresno to work at less popular KFWB or KRLA, history may have been different. Aside from Bill Ballance, two other strong Top 40 personalities during the 60s that worked mornings - Emperor (Bob) Hudson, and Gary Owens (KFWB for awhile before KMPC). There were others...

 

[doublecashkgb]

"My post is about artistry, so since I started the thread, I make the rules about the thread. Art, not mass appeal. As for Morgan being the first modern top-40 morning talent, that's probably debatable. I'd probably give that accolade to any number of people, including Bill Ballance."

No you don't make the rules about the thread pal. First: what credibility do you have?. Where have you
worked? Anywhere anything, or are you another arm chair radio expert?. By your rules your aging long-haired buddy's voice-over career is irrelevant to this discussion.

The myth that Morgan somehow was just in the right place is just wrong. How could it be that he did
some of his best work 30 years later at KRTH?. Keller: Bob Hudson was a genuis, but Ballance I don't
see it. A wordsmith-but most of his real success came in talk radio. wich you're rule book friend says doesn't count.

 

[LKellerIII]

"The myth that Morgan somehow was just in the right place is just wrong. How could it be that he did
some of his best work 30 years later at KRTH?. Keller: Bob Hudson was a genuis, but Ballance I don't
see it. A wordsmith-but most of his real success came in talk radio. wich you're rule book friend says doesn't count."

I wasn't repeating a myth - just giving my admittedly non-expert opinion. And I wasn't denigrating Morgan's talent, just trying to point out that his gig at ratings-powerhouse KHJ was stable, which gave him a chance to become a star, a habit - or even an institution for his listeners. Unlike a lot of other jocks who worked mornings for a few months, or a year or two here and there, he wasn't fired, or moved around to different time slots at the whim of management. Of course, from what I've heard about Hudson, it was his misbehavior that got him fired more than once.

Unfortunately, I missed both Morgan and Steele during their time at KRTH. My loss.

 

[DeadAudicy]

Compromise: Those of us whose standards are lower can use "art" or "artist" situationally, as a superlative for anything impressive.

The rest of us can use it less subjectively as the originally intended noun.

 

[DavidKaye]

No you don't make the rules about the thread pal. First: what credibility do you have?. Where have you
worked? Anywhere anything, or are you another arm chair radio expert?.

More than a lot of people here. Ten solid years in the business (which does not include college shifts). My training was at KCSM in the same classes as Michael Amatori (KGO) and Jon Miller (Giants, ESPN), and Steve Wilson (tabloid TV reporter). Among the stations I've worked were KTHO in South Lake Tahoe, KOFY, KJAY in Sac, KSOL 107.7 (now KSAN), KALW (paid fill-in), KWUN (with Tom Benner, "Officer Vic" of KSFO, Art Dlugach of KPIX, etc), Channel 31 in Sacramento where I did production and some booth announce, though I was originally hired as an engineer. KKEY and KXL (briefly) in Portland in talkradio. My stint at KKEY brought my first time slot from non-rated to #5 in adults 25-49 in one book. I also stinted at other stations doing various fill-ins and vacations.

So, uh yes, I think I know a little about this business. It's funny that so many people who post here use handles that imply that they have experience as DJs, but really don't. And the ones who do for the most part don't use any such monikers.

The myth that Morgan somehow was just in the right place is just wrong. How could it be that he did
some of his best work 30 years later at KRTH?. Keller: Bob Hudson was a genuis, but Ballance I don't
see it. A wordsmith-but most of his real success came in talk radio. wich you're rule book friend says doesn't count.

Listen to Bill Ballance's cuts from the early 60s. Not only is he rattling off rapid-fire one-liners and comments, but he's doing it in both English and Spanish! Go look at the Reel Radio archives and play some of them -- assuming mama gave you some money to subscribe to the website.

As for Beau Weaver (and your snide references), no, I never once said that he was an artist in this DJ thread. While I liked hearing his voice when he was on KFRC, he was one in a line of nice voices on KFRC in that era. In fact, when I said that most people think fondly of DJs *solely* because they remember hearing them pronounce their names, I was thinking *specifically* of Beau Weaver. How many of us remember hearing the name "Beauregard Rodriguez Weaver"? I can. But, how many of us can think of any clever thing he said or did? I can't.

But this is not a "trash Beau Weaver" thread. This is why I brought up his contributions to voice-over work. While I didn't think much one way or the other of him as a DJ, he's one of the top 3 voice-over males in America, and his treatise on using v/o for storytelling is an important contribution to future v/o people who think it's all about the voice. For the most part, it isn't. (And anybody who remembers the v/o work of John Bartholomew Tucker can attest.)

But back to Robert W. Morgan: He happened to be in the right place at the right time. There is no denying that he had a smooth voice and a smooth delivery, but so did so many other DJs of the era. The smooth voice was a carry-over from network radio days, and the hills were full of them.

He happened to meet Don Steele at KEWB, after floundering around at various stations from KRML to KMBY. (There's a joke in there, for the uninitiated.) Chuck Blore ran KEWB and KFWB. Bill Drake not only knew Blore and his stations but occasionally asked him for advice, including where to buy jingles! So, it's no wonder that he'd keep it in the back of his mind to raid the KEWB/KFWB talent for his new venture.

 

[doublecashkgb]

David Kaye:

You sound like a guy who has struggled at the fringe of the radio business, who else would list college shifts and stations in Lake Tahoe? A board op in Portland?. You Had a cup of coffee as a talk show host.
Yet you have all kinds of opinions. I've programmed 5 #1 stations, worked as a consultant and host of a nationally syndicated radio show. I program 2 stations in a Top 20 market. More importantly I've worked with many of the best in the business and learned a ton from all of them. I'm the guy who you send air checks and resumes to. I was jocking in a Top 30 market when I was 20 years old, for somebody who is such an expert what happened?

Some posts come from people who may not have worked in the business, but have a real passion and love for radio. I've learned much from them, [EDIT-inflammatory]

 

[DavidSC]

Isn't an artist someone who can creates something unique and special. While many DJs are good, even professional, at reading liners and following the format, some Air Personalities created within the format. Many smaller markets had stations that sounded good as the DJs professionally followed the Drake or some other format, but many San Francisco Air Personalities created something special. KFRC can be used as an example. Don Rose, Bill Lee, Bobby Ocean each created unique shows within the same framework. Other KFRC personalities created unique shows as did many of the other Air Personalities that have been mentioned.

Point--There are some radio people who are good announcers and there are some who are artisits.

 

[oaktree]

I don't believe that every "jock" was meant to be an "artist." Some were, certainly. So many others were good because they were "themselves," something that a lot of puker-voiced wanna-bes never quite learned to be ... simply, themselves.

I think it was then (not so much now) important to be "yourself," first -- then, depending on the sound, the texture, the flavor of a station -- to be a "personality" than to be an artist. Few were both ... that's why they called it "personality" radio. The Bay Area is blessed to have many of them as personalities ... and have. From Lee Sherwood to Dr. Don Rose, from Bobby Ocean to Les Garland, from John Mack Flanagan to Tom Donahue and so many others.

Being a "personality" doesn't mean doing things longer than 8 second intros or, as you called them, "extros." (outros works for me.)

"Artist" ... like art itself, is subjective. You may be a little narrow focussed with tunnel vision to understand that.

I rather look at these high profile people, including Robert W. Morgan for what they possessed, rather than what they "were."

"Talent."

And, yes, Mr. Kaye, whether working at KHJ, KFRC, KSFO, KNBR, KGO, KCBS or name the station anywhere ... to read "liner cards" well is, in fact, an art, but does not make one an "artist."

Nor does continually being an "artist" mean breaking the rules, breaking the mold, or being independent because of one's hair length or the ability to do fart jokes or talk to lesbians on the air.

It all comes back to one thing.

"Talent." Period.

And believe me, from one who knows well, Robert W. had talent. Lots and lots of "talent." Same for many others in this business and industry who may never achieved your standard as "artiste" ... but achieved much greater recognition for being talented, a personality and most of all, themselves.

 

[rickradio]

From Lee Sherwood to Dr. Don Rose, from Bobby Ocean to Les Garland, from John Mack Flanagan to Tom Donahue and so many others.

I'm sure you meant Don Sherwood...?

 

[BossRadioDJ]

...Yet you have all kinds of opinions. I've programmed 5 #1 stations, worked as a consultant and host of a nationally syndicated radio show. I program 2 stations in a Top 20 market. More importantly I've worked with many of the best in the business and learned a ton from all of them. I'm the guy who you send air checks and resumes to. I was jocking in a Top 30 market when I was 20 years old, for somebody who is such an expert what happened?

At the risk of having you attack me as well, let's see if I follow the logic here:

* I've never written a book, so I can't have an opinion about any novel that I read.

* I've never made a movie or acted in one, so I can't say what I think about a movie I've seen.

* I can't paint, so I can look at a painting in a museum, but I can't say what I think of it.

* I can't cook a meal, so I shouldn't say whether or not the food at a certain restaurant is any good.

* I can't hit a major league curve ball, so I should pay my $40 for a ticket and sit in the stands, and not say whether or not I think my team stinks.

* I've never worked in radio, so I should simply listen, button my lip, and leave the opinions to those who actually "make radio" -- but only those who have succeeded at the highest level.

Am I on the right track?

 

[DavidKaye]

David Kaye:
You sound like a guy who has struggled at the fringe of the radio business, who else would list college shifts and stations in Lake Tahoe? A board op in Portland?. You Had a cup of coffee as a talk show host.

I didn't list college shifts. I happened to train at KCSM, yes. I don't count KCSM as my career, but pointed out the people who also trained there who were in my classes in order to point out the quality of the education KCSM provided. And no, I was not a board op in Portland, not even for one shift. I was a talkshow host in Portland for two years, and a fairly successful one at that for the time I was there. (I left town when I left the restaurant/club business I owned and returned to SF.)

I'm the guy who you send air checks and resumes to. I was jocking in a Top 30 market when I was 20 years old, for somebody who is such an expert what happened?

What happened? I worked in the real world, and with pleasure. I didn't pursue a career in broadcating after the first few years because I saw what little radio broadcasting had to offer as a career. I didn't want to chase mediocre paying jobs across the country. Still, I managed to land jobs here and there due to connections, or just an occasional inquiry. As for auditions, I can't say that I ever landed a job with an aircheck or an audition. I landed what I landed by making intelligent inquiries.

Radio has treated people poorly. Over the years various quality air personalities with good cred have complained here that they couldn't land a job, even with good numbers over long periods of time. That's no way to live.

But I've done something that you probably haven't done. I've BOUGHT time. I've bought time for my restaurant/club. I've bought ads for a high-tech company I used to work for. I've bought it for a telephone call center I used to own. I've bought it for a moving business, and for a real estate broker. So, I think I may have a pretty good idea as to what radio is about from the customer's end as well as the production end.

 

[DyingMedium]

David Jackson...Think you may be splitting hairs a little bit here. I think what ticked many of us off about DK's posts is that he comes off like he knows what a radio artist is or should be.

And, yes, I do think his experience in radio is relevant to the conversation. And while maybe I wouldn't have been quite as blunt about it as DoubleCash was (ok...maybe I would), I understand where he's coming from.

My immediate reaction to DK's inital posts in this thread was that they came from someone who hadn't found a lot of success in radio. I'm not trying personally bash anyone, but I wasn't surprised when he listed his resume. His choice, by the way, to do that...

I know we have a mix of pros and listeners here, which is a good thing. However, if you're going to start claiming you know what artistry is in radio, you'd better have some professional credibility to stand on.

I love hearing which jocks/hosts listeners love/hate and why they feel that way....A good way to learn more about your audience. But, it's a different deal when you claim to have "more" credibility "than most people here".

DK didn't come off as a listener...He started the thread and his posts were arrogant. Nothing really wrong with that, but you'd better be able to take the blowback if you throw lighter fluid on the fire.

Also, buying time makes you a client. That's all it does.


-DM

P.S. I worked at the KWUN trailer (yes, a real trailer) for 5 minutes too...(5 minutes too long)...and I know Tom Benner doesn't consider that one of his career highlights.

...Yet you have all kinds of opinions. I've programmed 5 #1 stations, worked as a consultant and host of a nationally syndicated radio show. I program 2 stations in a Top 20 market. More importantly I've worked with many of the best in the business and learned a ton from all of them. I'm the guy who you send air checks and resumes to. I was jocking in a Top 30 market when I was 20 years old, for somebody who is such an expert what happened?

At the risk of having you attack me as well, let's see if I follow the logic here:

* I've never written a book, so I can't have an opinion about any novel that I read.

* I've never made a movie or acted in one, so I can't say what I think about a movie I've seen.

* I can't paint, so I can look at a painting in a museum, but I can't say what I think of it.

* I can't cook a meal, so I shouldn't say whether or not the food at a certain restaurant is any good.

* I can't hit a major league curve ball, so I should pay my $40 for a ticket and sit in the stands, and not say whether or not I think my team stinks.

* I've never worked in radio, so I should simply listen, button my lip, and leave the opinions to those who actually "make radio" -- but only those who have succeeded at the highest level.

Am I on the right track?

 

[DavidKaye]

David Jackson...Think you may be splitting hairs a little bit here. I think what ticked many of us off about DK's posts is that he comes off like he knows what a radio artist is or should be.

Given that I began the thread and defined what I think an artist is, I see no reason why people should get worked up over what I said -- unless they worry about their own skills, that is. I've noticed that John Mack Flannagan, Michael Amatori, and other high-quality professionals here haven't found any need to trash me for my opinion on the matter. Perhaps they feel more secure about their skills than some other posters?

And, yes, I do think his experience in radio is relevant to the conversation. And while maybe I wouldn't have been quite as blunt about it as DoubleCash was (ok...maybe I would), I understand where he's coming from.

One would think that if "DoubleCash" is really as experienced as he says he is, he'd post his name rather than a handle. I don't hide behind any handle. Also, I didn't see him posting anything about exactly WHERE he's worked, so that it might be possible to verify what he's claiming. On the other hand, I have nothing to hide. I am what I am.

My immediate reaction to DK's inital posts in this thread was that they came from someone who hadn't found a lot of success in radio. I'm not trying personally bash anyone, but I wasn't surprised when he listed his resume. His choice, by the way, to do that...

I've done some other stuff as well. I operated a small ad agency at one point and did TV production and did some other radio work and all that, but that was all in another lifetime. It's interesting that "DoubleCash" chose to denigrade my working in small-time radio, even though at small stations one is expected to do everything there. Hell, at the original KFRC and KHJ, all a DJ had to do was turn on his mic and talk -- they had board ops!

I'll tell you what I did at KWUN: I did combo, alone, by myself. I played music and tried to sound personable, while recording Mutual network shows, backtiming to network news at the bottom of the hour, and lining up remotes. KWUN under Bill Adler did remotes all the time, from Little League games to shopping center remotes -- sometimes back to back -- with minimal audio equipment. Imagine trying to come out of network with Wide Weekend of Sports on pot #8, while lining up a remote from a swim meet on an audition channel and testing a remote from Dianda Plaza on another auditon channel, which would ALL ultimately go to Pot #8 because that was the only AUX pot available. (1-4 were mic pots, 5 and 6 were turntables, and 7 was 3 cart machines ganged. That left only #8 for EVERYTHING ELSE.)

This meant that I'd have to put on a 30-second spot or a 10-second ID, run to the patch bay and quickly take down the Mutual patch to #8 and patch in the next program source, and get back to the console, intro the next broadcast, and sound like I was just hangin' out (and hope the patch wasn't full of static). This was a frequent thing on the weekends at KWUN. This is why that little station made money, by the way.

We also had two turntables, and one went down. The chief, Alan Graft, was out of town probably at one of his Valley stations, and I had to try to do an oldies show with one turntable and NOT go to spot breaks after every song. So, this meant running bumpers and jingles and cuing up more records, while crawling under the console trying to trouble-shoot the thing. Did I kick out out a plug? Did a fuse blow? Turned out to be a dead pre-amp.

So, anybody who denigrades small-time radio is blowing smoke out their ass. THEY HAVE NO IDEA what it is to do real radio.

Also, buying time makes you a client. That's all it does.

Without the client there is NO commercial radio. None. But, to buy time means you must have an intimate familiarity with the kind of radio being done and how it does or doesn't appeal to audiences. Because if you make a wrong guess, you lose BIG money.

Just a few moments ago I was on the phone buying advertising from the Valley Yellow Pages for a business I have. You can bet that I am an informed media buyer, and that I knew exactly what I was getting into before committing thousands of dollars to an ad budget with them. You can bet that I know where they circulate, what their demos are, the whole thing. So, too with the radio and late night TV buys I've made in the past.

P.S. I worked at the KWUN trailer (yes, a real trailer) for 5 minutes too...(5 minutes too long)...and I know Tom Benner doesn't consider that one of his career highlights.

I feel sorry for you. When I was there, KWUN was in the cinderblock building, not a trailer, so at least we had that much going for us. We even had an AP teletype! Bill Adler knew that the only way KWUN was to survive was to be live and local. We had news people (let's see.....Steve Kalman, Don DeFesi, and Lou Davis.)

At the time Benner worked there he was an impatient 22-year old; he was a loose canon, chomping at the bit, ready to go big-time but not really having the experience or self-discipline quite yet. He did do some good interviews for the Concord Summer Jazz Festival, and he did mornings for awhile.

But, all in all, KWUN made money with a 500 watt signal that blanketed Walnut Creek but couldn't be heard in parts of Concord or at all in Antioch. (Yet, Adler still managed to sell time to County East Mall out there!)

Now, I can't comment on the Coleman/Buery days -- that's a whole other kettle...

 

[doublecashkgb]

To Boss Radio DJ: . I think Dying Medium said it well, it isn't about being a critical listener, its was the arrogance and tone of Kaye's posts that are offensive. Also in the business you have a certain
element of monday morning QB's (usually bitter former weekend graveyard jocks) that know more than the PD
the morning team or anyone in the market, just ask them.

To David Kaye: I like to post on a number of topics, and unlike you I am active in the business. While I would love to post my real name, I would have to censor some comments due to business relationships with companies and individuals.

Yeah, radio is a tough business. no doubt about it-but I firmly believe people can make their own luck buy working hard and staying focused on being the best at least in one category. So you didn't find monetary success in the business, some do. With broadband and Wi-Fi you too will have the oportunity to create your own radio which you may be successful with. I wish you the best.

 

[DavidKaye]

To Boss Radio DJ: . I think Dying Medium said it well, it isn't about being a critical listener, its was the arrogance and tone of Kaye's posts that are offensive.

It's just words on a screen. I don't take much offense at what's said online. When I'm finished, I shut down the browser and turn off the computer and I don't even think about things until the next time I'm on.

People seem to like me in person. Actually, people also seem to like me online. I was recently at Norm Howard's retirement party from KQED and various people were actually excited to finally meet me. Someone actually said, "I hear that David Kaye is here. I want to meet him." (Swear to God.)

So, I guess I've had a positive effect on some people. (Prior to posting here I'd been a longtime resident of the ba.broadcast Usenet newsgroup, but I've been quietly reading this forum for some time.)

To David Kaye: I like to post on a number of topics, and unlike you I am active in the business. While I would love to post my real name, I would have to censor some comments due to business relationships with companies and individuals.

Odd that David Eduardo has no problem with this, and I dare say he's probably the highest ranked radio executive on this board. He makes no secret about who he is.

Yeah, radio is a tough business. no doubt about it-but I firmly believe people can make their own luck buy working hard and staying focused on being the best at least in one category. So you didn't find monetary success in the business, some do. With broadband and Wi-Fi you too will have the oportunity to create your own radio which you may be successful with. I wish you the best.

Money was not the issue, though I recall that I made better money doing manual labor than doing some radio jobs. My TV stint was much better, and my ad agency thing was very good, at least until my partner...uh, let's not get into that.

No, it was the capriciousness of the business, the job-chasing that is expected, that sort of thing. Station owners and PDs know that there are far more people who want to "do radio" than there are slots. Thus, people are willing to put up with crap and station management is willing to dish it out.

This is also the same with jazz musicians, by the way. I wear another hat as a show promoter, and I can't tell you the huge number of musicians (and these are people who tour with well-known acts and do session work) who will play for $20 apiece in clubs. Musicians gotta play. DJs gotta DJ. Management wins.

 

[oaktree]

Don Sherwood, I meant, indeed, Rickradio thank you. KSFO was never better.

However, I also instantly referring at the same second to Lee ... from WQAM, Miami ... and an artist himself, in many ways.

 

[DyingMedium]

Big deal...you ran a combo deal at KWUN. You had an AP teletype, etc...blah, blah, blah. Welcome to small market radio....We've ALL done that. It's what you do when you're coming up in the business. It doesn't make you special, although it does leave you with special memories.

KWUN had some decent times...but making money isn't always the hallmark of a good radio station.

Choosing to reveal identities or stay anonymous is a personal decision everyone on this board is free to make. But, many of us still are active in this business and prefer the latter.

You may be an informed client, but you're still a client...your knowledge makes you an asset to the company you're buying FOR.



Cinderblock building is an improvement over a trailer though. I'll give you that.

Good luck to you...

DM

 

[DavidKaye]

KWUN had some decent times...but making money isn't always the hallmark of a good radio station.

Given that their advertisers were all local (they got no agency spots, except occasional co-ops), and given that local advertisers are the hardest folks to sell, I'd say they MUST have had an audience or they'd never be able to keep selling. I remember advertisers who were on there for several years. If having a an audience is a hallmark of a good station, I'd say that given its signal, KWUN did pretty well.

Choosing to reveal identities or stay anonymous is a personal decision everyone on this board is free to make. But, many of us still are active in this business and prefer the latter.

Sorry, my BS detector is on high. Again, people with more experience than you are on here with their real names. Okay, David Eduardo isn't exactly his full name, but we all know who he is and what he's done and what he continues to do. And there are others active in the biz who, though they may post under semi-pseudos, give enough info about who they are.

It's either a matter of being a man or being a mouse. I prefer manhood myself.

 

[doublecashkgb]

Choosing to reveal identities or stay anonymous is a personal decision everyone on this board is free to make. But, many of us still are active in this business and prefer the latter.

"Sorry, my BS detector is on high. Again, people with more experience than you are on here with their real names. Okay, David Eduardo isn't exactly his full name, but we all know who he is and what he's done and what he continues to do. And there are others active in the biz who, though they may post under semi-pseudos, give enough info about who they are."

That BS detector of your stays plenty busy with all the crap you spew old man. David Eduardo, an eccentric who is famous for posting on multiple boards every day, he's unique but you are certainly not anything like him. Agree or disagree, he's been there. You worked strictly in the bush leagues, big deal. Oh, and the people who have semi-pseudo names, what do you wear special glasses and decode their screen name.?



It's either a matter of being a man or being a mouse. I prefer manhood myself.


[/quote]

I prefer women, actually. Not that there is anything wrong with your preferences. You're
a wimp, with nothing to lose no new jobs in this busioness, big deal. So you couldn't make
it in radio, TV or the agency busines-what's next? CLown.