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Do weekenders/part-timers really matter?

part timers definitely matter
significantly to the station itself
because they
need some jerk to suck the
kool-aid for no money and
cover the trail when no
one valuable wants to be there ...
as far as mattering to the audience...
well i guess even the loneliest, poorest
and most pathetic people need
something to do on the weekends too ...

there are worse part-time jobs
as long as you look at it that way
you should probably stay off the
therapist's couch


the question is
- DOES RADIO MATTER ?

and the answer is no ...
 
Does anyone look at ratings for the weekends? Does it matter? If some "kid" came on the air and got HUGE ratings would management even give a hoot?
 
LARadioNUT said:
Does anyone look at ratings for the weekends? Does it matter? If some "kid" came on the air and got HUGE ratings would management even give a hoot?

For sales purposes at some stations, Saturday morning is part of the AMD rotation.

Regards,
TSB
 
I make it a point to listen to Travis if I am out and about in the middle of a Sunday early early morning, I have made it a point to listen to ActionJax, Yesterday I stayed glued to ZLX because Kim Collins was on in the afternoon. I listen to ChaChi on Sunday mornings when I am out, and yes I know its VT'd. I even tune in to a few minutes of Barry Scott on Sunday night.

ah you're too kind ;D...i've actually been shuffled around a bit...mostly friday nights now, but for the next few weekends I'll be working both nights...

to the topic at hand... i was traveling through hartford this weekend and heard a station that really sounded great, and...i only heard the part timers....it was wccc...the playlist flowed and the jocks all sounded loose and natural.

weekender's don't make a station, but, they can help keep the audience locked in
 
WMC2006 said:
I haven't heard Kim on ZLX (mainly because I don't listen to ZLX ::) ) but I'm glad she's got some airtime somewhere. She deserved better from Greater Media and that godawful Employee of the Day thing they are doing on WROR following Loren and Wally is...well...godawful.


I got tired of listening to Oldies 103's A to Z today and moved the radio dial until I found something that sounded good. Didn't actually know what I landed on until I heard Kim Collins come on and tell me it was WZLX's Firecracker 400. So I listened to Kim finally for her final hour or so. She sounded great.

Meanwhile, I could be wrong, but isn't WROR ALSO doing a Firecracker 400 countdown thing?? I could swear, while scanning the dial in the car, I stopped at WROR at some point this weekend and heard Wally Brine tell us he hoped we were enjoying the Firecracker 400. :-\

By the way, Oldies 103 has had the weekenders/parttimers on all holiday weekend. On Friday, the actual holiday, Mike O'Reilly had Dale's morning show shift, Judy Pancoast was in for Paula Street and Norm Thibeault was in for JJ. (And Norm isn't even listed on Oldies's website.) Not sure about Karen Blake's and Mike Finegan's shifts. I've also heard Mauzy Stafford and Harry Nelson this weekend. Mauzy seems to have regained her Sunday afternoon shift (leading into Lost 45's) after losing it a few months ago about the same time Patrick Callahan was let go. Her bio has also been added to the weekender portion of Oldies's website. They've all sounded great but I got tired of the holiday A to Z thing.
 
silentsquealer said:
O.K. try this one on for size.
A night-time show
8p.m. to Midnight
Voicetracked
By A Part-timer
Number 1 in the target demo 18-34 males
Regularly

Does this not sound messed up to anyone else except the bean-counting radio lords?

If it works, well, why not?
 
if I could, I would say it until I turned blue in the face, weekenders truly are the glue to any station. They should be recognized as part of the staff. I will be stubborn and say they should also be on the jock section of the webpage, picture and bio...heck, give them their own station email if you're gonna shoot for the stars.. they should be airchecked regularly, even if the PD delegates the task to someone else, if anyone expects them to improve. I would have to say the majority of my chats with weekenders end up in a conversation about them not feeling like they are "part of the family". When I was at Fun 107 I nearly fell over when I found out that weekenders were allowed to attend staff meetings. That invite alone meant that we weekenders DID matter. And thank god I had another job that allowed me to attend those meetings. Sometimes changes/promotions/etc don't get passed along efficiently via a note with tape hung on a cork board in the studio. Your weekenders will appreciate any attention they can get from a full-timer at a station. Even if you're not a PD/APD/MD, any weekender would appreciate feedback from a full-timer. I'm not in management and I get to aircheck weekenders. Most full-timers I think would be flattered if asked by their PD to sit down with a weekender and help them improve. It's like being in the Big Brother/Big Sister program for radio newbies
 
The scary thing for radio will come in about 5 years and beyond. With so few jocks on a stations full time (and part time) staff these days (and it is only going to get worse), where are the future great jocks going to come from? Where is the next Matty in the Morning? Where is the next Dale Dorman? Where is the next (fill in the blank)?
Late nights, overnights and weekends were always the place to groom new talent. That was the place that 99% of the great jocks of today (and yesterday) got their start. Those shifts are now voicetracked. Scary, huh?
 
I agree with you 100% about the next generation of talent not having a place to be groomed. However the problem may be bigger than there isn't a place for talent to grow, it's more of a where do they go once they are ready? Look at the CC stations on the east coast, the same morning show is on in Philly, NYC, and Miami. There is also a morning show that airs in D.C, Baltimore, and Richmond, this show could also end up in Philly and Hartford. That's a total of six markets with two morning shows. Now add in the v-tracking, the Seacrest show, Deliliah, John Tesh, etc. and is there really a reason to groom new talent? Maybe groom board-ops and stunt boys/girls but talent. I'm not trying to pick on CC, we can also look at any of the other major radio groups and see the same trends.

I read somewhere (maybe here) recently that radio could end up being "network driven" and if you look at what's happening now it seems to be on that track. Many say the problem is that radio isn't local anymore, it's not just radio, there is NO local anywhere. You can drive down any street in America these days and see the exact same things: Olive Garden, Target, Starbucks, Mcdonalds, etc. when was the last time you shopped at a local store? Watching the Sox/Yanks over the weekend I noticed the ads on the walls at the Stadium were the same as at Fenway. W.B Mason, Dunkin, Bank Of America, Modells.

Okay I've totally veered of the original topic of this post and the fact is part timers should matter. When I'm going to Lowes or Wal-Mart on a Saturday morning I want to be told to check the website, listen on Monday, join WXXX at, we have the best local show ever (so good it's buried on Sundays at midnight), and to KEEP IT LOCKED!!!!
 
For the sake of continuity, its nice to have good P/T jocks. I think its great to hear Harry Nelson on Oldies 103.3 on weekends. He was one of my favorite jocks back in the day on 'RKO.
 
radiocop said:
For the sake of continuity, its nice to have good P/T jocks. I think its great to hear Harry Nelson on Oldies 103.3 on weekends. He was one of my favorite jocks back in the day on 'RKO.

He's been working JJ's shift all this week as well.
 
Do weekenders/part-timers really matter?
The sad fact is no. People like myself started on top and have never moved down. If you are doing weekend or part-time work, it's probably where you'll end up. There is nothing wrong with that, though. You'll never have the pressure to deliver people like me do.
 
I think weekenders help to shape the sound of the station......48 hours a week of broadcasting, a huge chunk of the 168 billable hours......if it didnt, the stations could save a ton of dough, shut down on the weekends and after morning drive.....
 
Ombudsman said:
Do weekenders/part-timers really matter?
The sad fact is no. People like myself started on top and have never moved down.

what is on top?
 
Ombudsman said:
Do weekenders/part-timers really matter?
The sad fact is no. People like myself started on top and have never moved down. If you are doing weekend or part-time work, it's probably where you'll end up. There is nothing wrong with that, though. You'll never have the pressure to deliver people like me do.

And your credentials are..................
 
And your credentials are..................

A Spoon...there's is no need to provide such silly things as credentials or facts. He said it, and it's on the internet. So you know it's obviously true!
 
A Spoon...there's is no need to provide such silly things as credentials or facts. He said it, and it's on the internet. So you know it's obviously true!
Thanks for having my back, Chow. I see big things in you, kid!
 
Ombudsman said:
Do weekenders/part-timers really matter?

I think the better question is do PD's actually care about their weekenders/part-timers? They're more or less told to be liner jocks. If you don't want a jock to have a personality (within reason), why not just sweep through the weekends?
 
Neanderpaul said:
Bob_Hudson said:
johnnyp66 said:
Do weekenders matter...do they really have "listeners"? RADIO IS STILL ABOUT THE LISTENERS!!!

Once the morning show is over at 9 or 10 AM, people tune in for the station, not the jocks (they may tune out because of jock) but radio programmers have spent so much time and effort over the years to remove all personality from non-morning show jocks, that they are not allowed (and few know how) to be much more than just announcers.

Not necessarily. I agree that there's been an over-focus on mornings vs. rest of day. You'd think that the failure of so many stations to remain viable outside of morning drivetime when Stern walked would've rectified that attitude. But, overall, it hasn't. Mornings still seem to be an island unto themselves. However, when you see stations like WEEI having a strong midday show, and by all accounts T&R lead WBCN's fight, you see that there are circumstances where the other dayparts are equally strong. It think good personalities are found in all dayparts. In fact...it is the non-AM Drive personality's omnipresence that creates tension in a lot of places. I have seen it all over the country.

Many Morning hosts cannot deal with any talent not associated with their show getting any promotion, or "too much attention" from the station's audience. We saw a great example with Stern & O&A, O&A & Ron & Fez, Stern & DiBella...and it happens more often than not. We work in an industry full of insecure egos, and people who are compensating for their lack of attention as kids, who now feel empowered by the transmitter.

A lot of the time, it's just easier to squelch others to placate the insecure morning guy. There's so much $$$ tied up in mornings, and the headaches of dealing with the situation are minimized by the focus being placed in one area. There are stations there in Boston, where other dayparts outcume the morning show. This is unacceptable to some talent. It creates stress for a lot of people. Meanwhile, there're apparently a lot of huge "I"s in "team." Instead of relishing the fact that they're cuming well outside of mornings, stations tell their non-morning talent to "say what you need to say inside of 60 seconds." I've ever heard the legend of the "red light" on the boom in the air studio. This light is said to pop after 60 seconds and anything it took more than a minute to say, was discussed in the PD's office after your show.

But...the Stern example really showed how that mentality is so flawed. And we're going to see more of that when the PPM becomes the norm. A lot of people are going to see that mornings might not factor as much in the overall. And people might actually tune in for music, or leave the minute a jock opens their mouths.

The moral?...Make sure you're on point every break. If your content is entertaining, you'll be doing fine. No matter what daypart.

...I also might be completely flatulent. 'Tis possible.

Well said and I feel EVERY member is important. P.T.'s, sales, traffic, office.

However, Stern, O. & A. etc. are talk driven formats.
Music formats after 9 a.m. is and has been for 40 years, "Shut up and play the hits."
This is what the listeners want and demand. 8)
 
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