Do you DO HD-2?

[hipporadio]

For months (many months) I've been looking for "a pulse" on HD-2 in markets where such is offered (aside from the usual NPR suspects)... In fact - I've been looking for a pulse on HD-Radio period. Just this morning, I received info from sources in the Windy City that such DOES EXIST. We've been searching for a "buzz" (in the case of the stream to be illuminated - a more proper term would be - "looking for DRAMA") in the re-con of an HD-2 stream by the broad public. 'Seems it has FINALLY HAPPENED! CC's WCKS (Chicago) recently began an HD-2 stream "Pride FM" (a GAY-themed radio outlet featuring dance CHR and "club music" along with the expected "image line rhetoric") within its HD IBOC transmission. It was reported to me by Chicago sources that the "Pride FM" HD-2 stream is a "big hit"!

"Once unnoticed BA Receptors are flying off the shelves at obscure audio salons in the Halstead/Boystown neighborhood, and electronics outlets can't meet the demands for ascetically-pleasing amplified indoor FM antennas." OH MY... All this in a town where "penetration" is an issue in the "concrete canyon" called "The Loop". Did someone "jack up" the IBOC power, or is this a "build it and they will come" thing? Pardon all the radio-related "puns" 8)

This is a CC endevor (wonder if the far-right Mayes family knows about the 103.5 IBOC modem use in Chi-Town)? Could it come to Cincy next - I know CC Chas-Town can hardly wait. : Actually, "hetro" dance fans will like this service, and the imaging is very "interesting" - you can listen on the net, so check it out. I like the promise of "alternative service" from the "corporates" on IBOC HD-2... But what do you think "PRIDE" is all about - and where could it be heading (pardon the pun, again)?... NO "cultual disposition" here - 'just want to know what you folks are thinking? Are the IBOC folks getting a "W**dy" over this?

 

[ElCheapo]

For months (many months) I've been looking for "a pulse" on HD-2 in markets where such is offered (aside from the usual NPR suspects)... In fact - I've been looking for a pulse on HD-Radio period. Just this morning, I received info from sources in the Windy City that such DOES EXIST. We've been searching for a "buzz" (in the case of the stream to be illuminated - a more proper term would be - "looking for DRAMA") in the re-con of an HD-2 stream by the broad public. 'Seems it has FINALLY HAPPENED! CC's WCKS (Chicago) recently began an HD-2 stream "Pride FM" (a GAY-themed radio outlet featuring dance CHR and "club music" along with the expected "image line rhetoric") within its HD IBOC transmission. It was reported to me by Chicago sources that the "Pride FM" HD-2 stream is a "big hit"!

"Once unnoticed BA Receptors are flying off the shelves at obscure audio salons in the Halstead/Boystown neighborhood, and electronics outlets can't meet the demands for ascetically-pleasing amplified indoor FM antennas." OH MY... All this in a town where "penetration" is an issue in the "concrete canyon" called "The Loop". Did someone "jack up" the IBOC power, or is this a "build it and they will come" thing? Pardon all the radio-related "puns" 8)

This is a CC endevor (wonder if the far-right Mayes family knows about the 103.5 IBOC modem use in Chi-Town)? Could it come to Cincy next - I know CC Chas-Town can hardly wait. : Actually, "hetro" dance fans will like this service, and the imaging is very "interesting" - you can listen on the net, so check it out. I like the promise of "alternative service" from the "corporates" on IBOC HD-2... But what do you think "PRIDE" is all about - and where could it be heading (pardon the pun)?... NO "cultual disposition" here - 'just want to know what you folks are thinking? Are the IBOC folks getting a "W**dy" over this?

It's WKSC - not WCKS.

It's a format that serves an audience that can't sufficiently support an analog signal.

The audience obviously appreciates it and now that they've discovered it, they're adopting it.

More to come - much more...

 

[hipporadio]

For months (many months) I've been looking for "a pulse" on HD-2 in markets where such is offered (aside from the usual NPR suspects)... In fact - I've been looking for a pulse on HD-Radio period. Just this morning, I received info from sources in the Windy City that such DOES EXIST. We've been searching for a "buzz" (in the case of the stream to be illuminated - a more proper term would be - "looking for DRAMA") in the re-con of an HD-2 stream by the broad public. 'Seems it has FINALLY HAPPENED! CC's WCKS (Chicago) recently began an HD-2 stream "Pride FM" (a GAY-themed radio outlet featuring dance CHR and "club music" along with the expected "image line rhetoric") within its HD IBOC transmission. It was reported to me by Chicago sources that the "Pride FM" HD-2 stream is a "big hit"!

"Once unnoticed BA Receptors are flying off the shelves at obscure audio salons in the Halstead/Boystown neighborhood, and electronics outlets can't meet the demands for ascetically-pleasing amplified indoor FM antennas." OH MY... All this in a town where "penetration" is an issue in the "concrete canyon" called "The Loop". Did someone "jack up" the IBOC power, or is this a "build it and they will come" thing? Pardon all the radio-related "puns" 8)

This is a CC endevor (wonder if the far-right Mayes family knows about the 103.5 IBOC modem use in Chi-Town)? Could it come to Cincy next - I know CC Chas-Town can hardly wait. : Actually, "hetro" dance fans will like this service, and the imaging is very "interesting" - you can listen on the net, so check it out. I like the promise of "alternative service" from the "corporates" on IBOC HD-2... But what do you think "PRIDE" is all about - and where could it be heading (pardon the pun)?... NO "cultual disposition" here - 'just want to know what you folks are thinking? Are the IBOC folks getting a "W**dy" over this?

It's WKSC - not WCKS.

It's a format that serves an audience that can't sufficiently support an analog signal.

The audience obviously appreciates it and now that they've discovered it, they're adopting it.

More to come - much more...

OK ... WKSC are the current calls - 'Hardly matters on this planet today Sorry I didn't remember them, but I don't live near Chicago any more - and I wouldn't bet many ADULTS in the Chicagoland area would either. They are but a call-letter "refuse" in the litter of radio. I remember that freq as 103.5 WFYR - the home of Dick Bartley and really GREAT oldies music... Chicago's "Fire Station" is gone - and replaced by a **&@@$-OMG CHR and its new "gay" IBOC subcarrier. SORRY (don't live there and CAN'T offer a b**ch).

'Just want to kick in the info on "Pride FM" and ask you folks what you think. "Pride" is an OK use of an IBOC stream in a market like Chicago... 'Just like feedback on what the street is speaking... PROMISE - I'll respect you when you respond... Interested in the response!

 

[ElCheapo]

'Just want to kick in the info on "Pride FM" and ask you folks what you think. "Pride" is an OK use of an IBOC stream in a market like Chicago... 'Just like feedback on what the street is speaking... PROMISE - I'll respect you when you respond... Interested in the response!

Riiiight... Just like you respected the gay community with your thread starting post!

 

[hipporadio]

'Just want to kick in the info on "Pride FM" and ask you folks what you think. "Pride" is an OK use of an IBOC stream in a market like Chicago... 'Just like feedback on what the street is speaking... PROMISE - I'll respect you when you respond... Interested in the response!

Riiiight... Just like you respected the gay community with your thread starting post!

"El-Cheap"... I Respect ARB 18-34. 18-49, 25-49, 25-54 ETC... and so on. I DO NOT respect (nor does ARB) "gay 18-34". For many years, I have observed the contribution of the gay market (I owned a dominent CHR with a "gay" PD back in the 90s) - just as I have observed the same from "those old folks" that make up the "gold" or "classic rock" market.

My mention of the current IBOC HD-2 use of the current 103.5, Chicago (as "Pride") was directed ONLY at the "HD debate", and I believe I gave some "credit" for it as an interesting HD-2 offering, and asked this forum for opinion. I'm sorry if I appeared "glib"... Sorry if my commentary was turned into a "sexual lifestyle issue" - that WAS NOT my intention! Let's NOT do that here... Let's keep things based on "pro issues"... SORRY if I "drifted"!

 

[audiophile.]

There are thousands of FM SCA's on the air that serve listeners like this. To be fair, we should compare the success of those to new services.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

If you are so inclined you may listen to digital "Pride FM" at the link below. No HD Radio needed or desired.
http://www.kiss1035.com/cc-common/hdradio/
Most of the other HD stations are also streaming digital on the internet, as well as tens of thousands of other stations, podcasts, and downloads. Who needs an HD Radio?
If I want to listen to any of these tens of thousands of stations on a tabletop or portable radio, I still don't need an HD Radio, I can just use one of these:
http://www.torianwireless.com/index.shtml
http://shop.npr.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10051&storeId=10051&productId=19025&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=10335
These sources are also available on many of the new cell phones, that provide not only digital streaming but audio storage, and downloading as well.
See. No defective, destructive, adjacent channel jammming, short ranged, HD radio is necessary to get virtually all HD streams plus tens of thousands more, many equaling HD quality or better.
By the way, how would buying an HD Radio let me "Listen to hundreds of additional stations"?
There are not hundreds of HD streams anywhere near my listening area, and aren't likely to be anytime in the future. So this is just more HD radio BS.
But I can get tens of thousands of additional digital "stations" worldwide from thousands of new creators/producers/artists that are independent of the HD cartel that the Borg have not assimilated.
In spite of your repeated claims that resistance is futile, the public has no interest or benefit from this obsolete, defective, destructive, unnecessary technology.

 

[ElCheapo]

There are thousands of FM SCA's on the air that serve listeners like this. To be fair, we should compare the success of those to new services.

SCAs top out with little better than phone quality audio. I don't see people getting their particular music fix there.

 

[ElCheapo]

If you are so inclined you may listen to digital "Pride FM" at the link below. No HD Radio needed or desired.
http://www.kiss1035.com/cc-common/hdradio/
Most of the other HD stations are also streaming digital on the internet, as well as tens of thousands of other stations, podcasts, and downloads. Who needs an HD Radio?
If I want to listen to any of these tens of thousands of stations on a tabletop or portable radio, I still don't need an HD Radio, I can just use one of these:
http://www.torianwireless.com/index.shtml
http://shop.npr.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10051&storeId=10051&productId=19025&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=10335
These sources are also available on many of the new cell phones, that provide not only digital streaming but audio storage, and downloading as well.
See. No defective, destructive, adjacent channel jammming, short ranged, HD radio is necessary to get virtually all HD streams plus tens of thousands more, many equaling HD quality or better.
By the way, how would buying an HD Radio let me "Listen to hundreds of additional stations"?
There are not hundreds of HD streams anywhere near my listening area, and aren't likely to be anytime in the future. So this is just more HD radio BS.
But I can get tens of thousands of additional digital "stations" worldwide from thousands of new creators/producers/artists that are independent of the HD cartel that the Borg have not assimilated.
In spite of your repeated claims that resistance is futile, the public has no interest or benefit from this obsolete, defective, destructive, unnecessary technology.

The only people who consider it "defective, destructive" and "unnecessary" is the DX crowd here - and as far as that hobby goes, I suppose it is.

The public has no clue what it is or what it offers them - yet. When they do, as with the Chicago "Pride" channel being discussed here - they embrace it. Go tell the gay community in Chicago that this technology is "unnecessary."

Right now and for the forseeable future, internet streaming to cars just isn't practical - and that's where most radio listening takes place - not with beverage antennas in fixed positions out in the boonies.

I don't know about you - but if someone launches an HD format that I like, I wouldn't want to load my laptop into my ride and wire it up to listen to it on my trips to the grocery store.

 

[700WLW]

ElCheapo wrote: "The only people who consider it "defective, destructive" and "unnecessary" is the DX crowd here - and as far as that hobby goes, I suppose it is. Right now and for the forseeable future, internet streaming to cars just isn't practical - and that's where most radio listening takes place - not with beverage antennas in fixed positions out in the boonies."

IF and WHEN HD Radio ever catches on, there will be an outcry fron the general public, when they cannot listen to their favorite stations, because of IBOC's adjacent-channel interference and poor coverage. Currently, there are portable Internet Radio receivers hitting the market, and Wireless Internet / Internet Radio is due in automobiles by 2008. HD Radio table-tops will never catch on, due to having to mount dipole antennas outside - what a joke ! Portable HD radios are not in the forseeable future, due to power-consumption requirements. HD Radio receivers will need to approach the price-point of analog radios ($10 - $25) and that will never happen !

 

[ElCheapo]

IF and WHEN HD Radio ever catches on, there will be an outcry fron the general public, when they cannot listen to their favorite stations, because of IBOC's adjacent-channel interference and poor coverage. Currently, there are portable Internet Radio receivers hitting the market, and Wireless Internet / Internet Radio is due in automobiles by 2008. HD Radio table-tops will never catch on, due to having to mount dipole antennas outside - what a joke ! Portable HD radios are not in the forseeable future, due to power-consumption requirements. HD Radio receivers will need to approach the price-point of analog radios ($10 - $25) and that will never happen !

You know - for a supposedly tech savvy crowd, you guys are kinda ignorant when it comes to the rollout of new tech.

I remember paying close to $1,000 for my first DVD player. I think I gave about $100 for my last one and you can pick them up for well under $50 at Wal-Mart.

As for power consumption, the battery life on my first cell phone was dismal. The battery life on my first laptop was similarly bad. Now both are way smaller and last far longer.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

ElCheapo said:

The only people who consider it "defective, destructive" and "unnecessary" is the DX crowd here - and as far as that hobby goes, I suppose it is.

I rarely DX. Another lie. You'll say anything to peddle expensive, defective, destructive HD radios. Right?

 

[hipporadio]

Re: Do you [**] HD-2?

WOW... and GOSH too : ...and all I wished was to discuss what appears to be the first "interesting" (and apparently "noticed") use of an HD-2 stream!

I promise not to start another topic after several Saturday-evening "adult beverages"... ;D

BTW... My first CD player was a $600 NAD ... Now I can't find one that sells for over $100 except at "boutique" audio stores with plenty of Lotto winners as clientele!

 

[Chuck]

You know - for a supposedly tech savvy crowd, you guys are kinda ignorant when it comes to the rollout of new tech.

I remember paying close to $1,000 for my first DVD player. I think I gave about $100 for my last one and you can pick them up for well under $50 at Wal-Mart.

As for power consumption, the battery life on my first cell phone was dismal. The battery life on my first laptop was similarly bad. Now both are way smaller and last far longer.

I'm not sure anyone is ignorant. It is just that cell phones and DVD players were devices that had (and still have) a very compelling consumer appeal. They have literally changed our lives. I'm not convinced that HD has such a compelling story.

 

[hipporadio]

You know - for a supposedly tech savvy crowd, you guys are kinda ignorant when it comes to the rollout of new tech.

I remember paying close to $1,000 for my first DVD player. I think I gave about $100 for my last one and you can pick them up for well under $50 at Wal-Mart.

As for power consumption, the battery life on my first cell phone was dismal. The battery life on my first laptop was similarly bad. Now both are way smaller and last far longer.

I'm not sure anyone is ignorant. It is just that cell phones and DVD players were devices that had (and still have) a very compelling consumer appeal. They have literally changed our lives. I'm not convinced that HD has such a compelling story.

...And as I confessed a few posts back: While I shelled out $600 for a "first round" CD player in the mid-80s--IT PERFORMED AS PROMISED and displayed a substantial benefit right out of the box. Like the current HD radio/station roster--CD hardware and software catalogs were limited, but specialty audio dealers literally fought for increased allocations from their suppliers. The new CD technology was IMMEDIATELY COMPELLING to MANY (customers routinely lingered on a waiting list to get one--even at that price). Can the same be said of the "first round" crop of HD radios?

Could the cherished "marketplace" simply be functioning as marketplaces most-times do?

 

[Chuck]

...And as I confessed a few posts back: While I shelled out $600 for a "first round" CD player in the mid-80s--IT PERFORMED AS PROMISED and displayed a substantial benefit right out of the box. Like the current HD radio/station roster--CD hardware and software catalogs were limited, but specialty audio dealers literally fought for increased allocations from their suppliers. The new CD technology was IMMEDIATELY COMPELLING to MANY (customers routinely lingered on a waiting list to get one--even at that price). Can the same be said of the "first round" crop of HD radios?

Could the cherished "marketplace" simply be functioning as marketplaces most-times do?

Now that you mention it, back sometime in the early 1980's, when CD's were just coming out, I was traveling to England quite a bit. CD players were available over there some time before they became available in the US. I used to bring one back on each trip as carry on baggage (they were quite heavy, as I recall.) I had clients in the US who would gladly pay whatever it cost to get their hands on one. Keep in mind that these were 240 volt players, so a step up transformer was needed to get them to work in the US. There were no CD's available state-side either. Even that that did not curb the demand.

When the first units made it to the USA, they were in very short supply, and there really were waiting lists to get one. I owned a company that sold that kind of stuff, and even I didn't even have one in my home stereo for about a year. You just couldn't fill the demand, and if you got one in, it never stayed in stock for any length of time.

The same thing happened in the early days of video tape recorders. They became an instant “must have” device.

It doesn't seem to be that way for HD. Ah, for the good old days...