"Doctor" Bob Martin, Radio ghoul

[Legend City]

So, I get in the car this morning, and KFYI is on. The "doctor" was on, and chastising the very recently departed Tony Snow. You see, in Dr. Quack's world, Tony would be alive if he just went to some alternative therapist (like the ones he went on to shill for that are his sponsors). No, Tony is dead because he went to actual doctors with actual degrees and work in actual hospitals. The body wasn't even cold yet. A few weeks back, it was the same BS with Tim Russert.

I guess we should all just go to his sponsor's store and stock up on oregano pills and go swim with healing dolphins and pay some new aged fruitcake to allign our chakras with accupressure.


How this crap occupies 4 hours of radio befuddles me.

 

[Ford]

Wow. I always thought "Doctor" Bob was a quack, but this is low. It would have been fine to use Mr. Snow's death as a reminder that you should get a thorough medical exam, but to suggest it was his fault for not going to an "alternative therapist?"

Crap indeed.

 

[landtuna]

I seem to remember a certain Steve McQueen who went the alternative medicine route to address his brain cancer. I believe the last treatment involved coffee enemas.

But the real question here is.....if you think the good doctor is a bonifide quack why listen to him? No listeners, no quack.

 

[Legend City]

Doug Henning died because he did alternative therapy, he stayed away from proven treatment and went through a bunch of crazy alternative crap and, it killed him.

I don't listen, I had the car on 550 and was going to change the station, but he started in on Snow, and I had to listen.

Saturday morning radio here is a wasteland. Only other option is John Bloom on 620, and he is essentially Gaydos doing sports, not good.

 

[pattiwacki]

Whether one listens or not, he has the potential to do a lot of harm to a lot of people. He came on after Broomhead this morning and before I could get to the radio to turn him off, he was advocating women not checking for breast cancer (and I've heard him in the past discouraging mammograms) and he wouldn't give the full story on why-but using it as a teaser for people to hang on till a later hour of the program when that particular "medical" theory would be explained. I completely understood Steve McQueen's going down to Mexico for alternative treatment-he was a hopless case and wanted to try for some more time. But shaming people like Tony Snow (who had a life-long awareness and vigilence of colon cancer due to his mother's early death from the same disease) who fought a hard, brave battle, for not drinking Tahiti Noni juice, and discouraging life-saving tests is just ridiculous!

 

[pattiwacki]

I seem to remember a certain Steve McQueen who went the alternative medicine route to address his brain cancer. I believe the last treatment involved coffee enemas.

But the real question here is.....if you think the good doctor is a bonifide quack why listen to him? No listeners, no quack.

Not that it makes any difference now, but Steve McQueen had Mesiothelioma.

 

[Legend City]

Yeah, I'm going in for hand surgery this week. "Dr." Martin would rather I have accupuncture, take Vitamin B6 and persimmon oil or something, all easily obtained for a 400% markup from his sponsor.

Screw that, I have a great surgeon (he did my other hand), its a simple surgery and I will be back to 100% in no time.

And if challenged by him, I'd tell him where the hell he can put his snake oil supplements.

 

[oldiesfan6479]

...if you think the good doctor is a bonifide quack why listen to him?
No listeners, no quack.

Quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack...
(Just getting my ducks in a row. ;D)

Is that a moot point? I mean, is Dr. Q's show a secular version
of "pay for pray" where he buys the time, hawks his wares and
suckers the unwary listener into his "cures"? With ratings, or
lack of, not a factor to Cheap Channel since they're getting
beaucoup $$$$ for the four hours of airtime?

Gee, a version of Colon Blow Saturday on 55/FYI. :

 

[Ford]

But the real question here is.....if you think the good doctor is a bonifide quack why listen to him? No listeners, no quack.

Well I don't "listen" to him as much as I tune him in to see what sort of quackery he's pushing. Like sometimes, late at night, I tune in to Pastor Scott on channel 17...not because I'm looking for salvation, but because I find her strangely attractive...in a sort of "if I were a Jesus freak, I'd totally hit that" way.

Now, Dr. Bob doesn't have the long, flowing hair or luscious lips of Pastor Scott, but...what were we talking about, again? Oh, yeah...he's a quack!

 

[truth B told]

I happened to be listening to Dr. Bob's show yesterday, and unless i missed something he stated nothing disrespectful about Tony Snow when commenting about his passing away. In fact, his comments about Mr. Snow were positive and kind. However, his points were well taken about Mr. Snow's failed medical care in that, he had medical check-ups for colon cancer every six month because his mother died of colon cancer. And, just like Tim Russert who died recenlty on the same day he received a perfectly normal EKG and medical exam, Mr Snow like millions of other Americans got sucked into believing medical care would be his savior.

If you want my opinion, MD's are the true quacks. Earl Nightingale had it right when he said, "a quack is someone who treats symptoms and not causes." At least Dr. Bob helps people learn how to change something from a natural perspective when applicable, and suggests other forms of care including medical when necessary.

If you disagree with Dr. Bob, call-in to his show and take him on. [EDIT]


[EDIT-inflammatory]

 

[pattiwacki]

One seldom uses their real name on a message board-it's got nothing to do with courage or a lack there of. In order to talk to Dr. Bob on the phone, one would have to hang on the phone for hours and (worse) listen to his show. I use to listen to his show and have used some of the remedies he's suggested. We had a student at our school whose quality of life has greatly improved because of the envita natural health center that Dr. Bob recommends, AND I know people for whom natural methods made no difference at all. When something works, it's all good. But though I didn't hear Dr. Bob's comments about Tony Snow and I'm happy to hear they were kind in your opinion, I know what Legend is talking about. I have heard the good Dr. shamelessy use whatever celebrity died during the week previous to his show's airing to hawk the cause of his brand of medicine (and I use the term loosely) when he didn't know squat about the facts. The facts about Tony Snow's cancer is that the genetic and aggressive nature of it was probably bound to get him no matter what. That happens. I remember when he got all over poor Floyd Kramer for smoking and dying of lung cancer, using him like the bad example of the universe. 'Y know what? Some people (not me, but I respect the rights of those who do) smoke. It's a lifestyle choice like wearing dorky z coil shoes is for Dr. Bob. AND, no doubt about it- Dr. Bob is a pimp to an obnoxious degree! And planting the idea in Aunt Edna's head not to do breast exams or mammograms is bordering on criminal. I notice YOU didn't use YOUR real name either, Rambo!

 

[The Beave]

...if you think the good doctor is a bonifide quack why listen to him?
No listeners, no quack.

Quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack...
(Just getting my ducks in a row. ;D) [/quote]

If it walks like a duck...call AFLAC!

 

[Legend City]

Well Truth b Told, (with only one post)....

I listened. He flat out said that if Snow had done alternative therapy, there would be a good chance he would still be alive. He stated that when Snow's doctors did surgery on him and declared him cancer free, he KNEW that the cancer would come back and kill him. He then went on a spiel about his sponsor and how you should go to them if you have cancer.

Fact of the matter, Tony Snow had only been dead for a few hours, his pseudomedical quackery could have at least waited a week.

Disrespectful and potentially dangerous pseudomedical advice from a QUACK

 

[truth B told]

Patti-wack, U made some good points, but aren't we all pimps to someone..hehehe? Perhaps you loath highly successful pimps...Limbaugh, Hannity, Young, Martin etc..? But, i agree, the # of commercials he's required to do deprives us of his typically excellent show content.

Dr. Bob talked to an MD guest on Saturday, Dr Shel ?? about some test ??? that's safer than mammograms. Their discussion involved new data showing that breast self exams do not appear to reduce breast cancer deaths. You say, 'bordering on criminal" to report accurate news? Nothing like shooting the messenger of 'breaking health news'. I've been listening to his show for well over 2 years and have never heard him suggest or tell anyone to NOT have a mammogram.

In my opinion, quacks are doctors who get paid whether people live or die...can you say, mainstream medicine in America. I dare say, that if your auto-mechanic accidentally blew-up you car engine while changing your oil filter, you might choose to not pay. But, then again...that's science right?

 

[Legend City]

Tell you what Truth B Told

If, God forbid you find yourself with cancer, will you go to a guy with a dodgy diploma from a new age mill and take homeopathic cures and such, or will you go to a doctor using peer reviewed methods and techniques at a real hospital.

Its your choice. Thankfully, the vast majority go to real doctors, and they get quality care, no dark or evil conspiracies.

Why do the alternative therapy folk always have to paint real doctors as being part of some shadowy cabal? The facts are out there about alternative therapy, it doesn't work.

"Doctor" Martin can say what he wants, but, he should expect some debate. I doubt he'd have someone on his show to refute his quackery...after all, he is just a salesman.

 

[truth B told]

Legend City ML,

I've got to give you credit...you do stay on task.

This argument is as old as religion and politics. Reasonable people recognize the value and need for more than one system of healing. Unless of course you subscribe to organized medicine's/AMA credo of dominance and destruction of all competition. However, you should come-up for air and sunlight once in awhile in order to read the news about how your so-called 'peer reviewed methods and techniques' are killing invested people in greater numbers than heart disease and cancer. But, don't believe me. If you're an open minded person, I challenge you to watch a PBS television series titled "Frontline". And if that wets your appetite for non-bought and paid for unbias facts, take a look at a paper authored by MD's and PhD's (real doctors) titled "Death by Medicine". But, I'm betting you won't because truth trumps belief. The charade of modern medicine is rapidly collapsing, and i wouldn't want you to be crushed.

 

[pattiwacki]

TbT, you sound like Heidi or Dr. Bob-you are the only two I know who still say,"can you say?....". Look, I don't mean to offend either one of you, but cancer is nothing to mess around with. If Patti Kirkpatrick says "man bites dog in Mesa, we'll be back in a minute", and doesn't reveal the story till the show is about to go off the air- that's a harmless little teaser. Using "evidience suggests it's better not to do breast exams" (or however it was said) is not a good thing to use as a tease, THAT truth better be told NOW. So the guy was an M.D.-you just got through inferring M.D. are the REAL quacks. Even so, it wasn't the guest's subject matter, every guest is entitled to an opinion. it was using that subject matter as a teaser that might steer Aunt Edna off in a wrong direction that I objected to, and on a so-called health show at that. Mammograms? Listen to him advertise Dr. Bruce Shelton's Thermograms and you'll hear some negativity about mammograms that may be enough to scare Aunt Edna offof 'em-yet will her insurance pay for the "thermogram"? And the red yeast rice instead of statin drugs for cholesterol-red yeast rice can do a fair amount of damage to the body as well. Natural doesn't always mean good,body wastes are natural,
wanna swallow them? Yeah-Rush,Sean,Barry and the bunch pimp plenty-but they're not presenting themselves as health care professionals.

 

[Legend City]

Legend City ML,

I've got to give you credit...you do stay on task.

This argument is as old as religion and politics. Reasonable people recognize the value and need for more than one system of healing. Unless of course you subscribe to organized medicine's/AMA credo of dominance and destruction of all competition. However, you should come-up for air and sunlight once in awhile in order to read the news about how your so-called 'peer reviewed methods and techniques' are killing invested people in greater numbers than heart disease and cancer. But, don't believe me. If you're an open minded person, I challenge you to watch a PBS television series titled "Frontline". And if that wets your appetite for non-bought and paid for unbias facts, take a look at a paper authored by MD's and PhD's (real doctors) titled "Death by Medicine". But, I'm betting you won't because truth trumps belief. The charade of modern medicine is rapidly collapsing, and i wouldn't want you to be crushed.

I have watched Frontline since it premiered. Sometimes its good, sometimes its propaganda. But why act like a conspiracy theorist regarding medicine? If an alternative therapy works, it gets adopted, but when it doesn't work, it must be "them evil doctors at the AMA!!!"

That kind of thinking is nuts. Doctors go to school for many years, they put in their time and research for many more. They create trials and studies and document and publish the hell out of it. All "Doctor" Bob Martin has to do is blather on about how Mangosteen rinds are a cure all! And that they do amazing things! He doesn't do the research, not the peer review, not the double blind studies, not the years of work. All it takes for "Doctor" Bob to talk about a product is someone to sponsor him.

If you can't see that, then you deserve to be taken by Quacks all your life.

 

[JeffryOBrien]

I am just looking for a show to tell me how to have bigger movements...

Little help for the uncomfortable here?

 

[truth B told]

You are truly hopeless!

Its only propaganda if it doesn't fit your agenda.

No conspiracy theorist here. I respect all trained, hard working health/medical professionals and their quest to help the sick and infirm. But, when they claim and/or imply omnipresence, 'umbarage happens'. Do you think maybe that's why they're called 'healing arts' and not healing sciences. But, you maybe mixing up math, a true science, with healthcare?

If you believe that trials, studies, published studies and the blind leading the blind, implies safety and efficacy i've got some really really cheap left over Vioxx and a pile of other pharm poison for you. Now, that's NUTS.

You enjoy using the 'Q' word as a means to put something or someone down. I'm bored with your weak attempt to imply magnificant superiority... how shallow will you stay?