Why would a top rated station like KIRO-FM have kept him on if he wasn't bringing in the adequate numbers for his time slot? He must have been doing something right. The people running KIRO aren't stupid. You don't become one of the most highly rated stations in a large market by being stupid.
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Dori Monson's off Seahawks broadcasts for transphobic tweet
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Why would a top rated station like KIRO-FM have kept him on if he wasn't bringing in the adequate numbers for his time slot? He must have been doing something right. The people running KIRO aren't stupid. You don't become one of the most highly rated stations in a large market by being stupid.
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What I love about Twitter is it allows ignorant, impulsive (mostly) celebrities to reveal themselves in 280 characters or less, dispensing with their careers and not wasting too much of anybody's time doing it.
Case in point: The Monson tweet. Yes, your naked, slippery, screaming baby body has a binary sexual identity at the time of delivery, determined and or confirmed visually. I realize that there may be exceptions to this but it holds true for the vast majority of us. I guess you would put this in the category of science, based on empirical evidence. The binary genders are birthed at roughly equal rates and it makes sense to keep track of that; any dramatic swing either way would be evidence of something out of order in the natural world.
But what happens if all of us in Washington flood Olympia next week with form 422-143, changing your identity at birth to "X" or the other binary? Other than keeping the office staff very busy, nothing. The world will still look almost exactly the same. I wouldn't start wearing my wife's clothes, my wife wouldn't instantly turn into a butch lesbian, every day would not turn into an LGBQT pride parade.
And this reveals Monson's ignorance, comparing apples to oranges. If everybody in Washington designates themselves an "X" we are still facing the scientific reality of climate change, which will affect every one of us. and to a lesser extent the scientific reality of the Coronavirus which hopefully won't affect every one of us.
Just because you allow individuals to change their gender identity once they become an adult (something the vast majority of us won't ever do) doesn't mean you suddenly don't respect the science of climate change. It's actually rigid, ignorant old white men like Monson and their black and white worldview who do that.
Val
What I love about Twitter is it allows ignorant, impulsive (mostly) celebrities to reveal themselves in 280 characters or less, dispensing with their careers and not wasting too much of anybody's time doing it.
Case in point: The Monson tweet. Yes, your naked, slippery, screaming baby body has a binary sexual identity at the time of delivery, determined and or confirmed visually. I realize that there may be exceptions to this but it holds true for the vast majority of us. I guess you would put this in the category of science, based on empirical evidence. The binary genders are birthed at roughly equal rates and it makes sense to keep track of that; any dramatic swing either way would be evidence of something out of order in the natural world.
But what happens if all of us in Washington flood Olympia next week with form 422-143, changing your identity at birth to "X" or the other binary? Other than keeping the office staff very busy, nothing. The world will still look almost exactly the same. I wouldn't start wearing my wife's clothes, my wife wouldn't instantly turn into a butch lesbian, every day would not turn into an LGBQT pride parade.
And this reveals Monson's ignorance, comparing apples to oranges. If everybody in Washington designates themselves an "X" we are still facing the scientific reality of climate change, which will affect every one of us. and to a lesser extent the scientific reality of the Coronavirus which hopefully won't affect every one of us.
Just because you allow individuals to change their gender identity once they become an adult (something the vast majority of us won't ever do) doesn't mean you suddenly don't respect the science of climate change. It's actually rigid, ignorant old white men like Monson and their black and white worldview who do that.
Val
Permit me for indulging in this detour:
I have been reading this thread and have noticed the distinct absence of important voices in this discussion. Trans voices.
I can help you with that, because I happen to be a trans woman (still not fully out, unfortunately, due to factors I don't control).
Many of us happen to know fellow trans people who have struggled to receive care. Who have committed, or attempted to commit, suicide. Who face discrimination in their daily lives. And bigoted words like Dori's hurt us.
It's not a mere tweet or so-called "cancel culture" when thoughts like these in society encourage a friend of yours to overdose (thankfully, she survived, but there are lasting physical consequences). When another friend was able to move from rural California to the Seattle area and it saved her life. When 41 percent of us have contemplated it.
For many of us, it is the case that we were assigned our birth gender but were never really it. I may have been assigned male at birth, but I was never a boy. I realized who I was at the age of 12, and other people I know much younger than that. Changing our birth certificates and other documentation is about us being recognized for who we know we have always been. It's something we still must fight for in some states where people as transphobic as Monson run the show.
Good on the Seahawks. Good on Bonneville. No sports franchise or media outlet should tolerate this language, especially in the last few years as sports franchises have been far more sensitive to social justice and inclusion issues (and the Seahawks were early leaders in this regard). Here's hoping the two parties reinforce their commitment to inclusion with their choice of a replacement.
Sammi (she/her)
P.S. There's science out there.
I have been reading this thread and have noticed the distinct absence of important voices in this discussion. Trans voices.
I can help you with that, because I happen to be a trans woman (still not fully out, unfortunately, due to factors I don't control).
Many of us happen to know fellow trans people who have struggled to receive care. Who have committed, or attempted to commit, suicide. Who face discrimination in their daily lives. And bigoted words like Dori's hurt us.
It's not a mere tweet or so-called "cancel culture" when thoughts like these in society encourage a friend of yours to overdose (thankfully, she survived, but there are lasting physical consequences). When another friend was able to move from rural California to the Seattle area and it saved her life. When 41 percent of us have contemplated it.
For many of us, it is the case that we were assigned our birth gender but were never really it. I may have been assigned male at birth, but I was never a boy. I realized who I was at the age of 12, and other people I know much younger than that. Changing our birth certificates and other documentation is about us being recognized for who we know we have always been. It's something we still must fight for in some states where people as transphobic as Monson run the show.
Good on the Seahawks. Good on Bonneville. No sports franchise or media outlet should tolerate this language, especially in the last few years as sports franchises have been far more sensitive to social justice and inclusion issues (and the Seahawks were early leaders in this regard). Here's hoping the two parties reinforce their commitment to inclusion with their choice of a replacement.
Sammi (she/her)
P.S. There's science out there.
By the way, the ability to amend the sex on ones birth certificate is not unusual. Most states allow it. Even Utah.
Twelve states allow for a third gender "X."
https://www.bustle.com/p/12-states-...e-the-way-for-non-binary-recognition-17988940
Twelve states allow for a third gender "X."
https://www.bustle.com/p/12-states-...e-the-way-for-non-binary-recognition-17988940
Exactly! Almost all states do, actually. The exceptions: KS, OH, TN.
"The people that call for tolerance and inclusiveness are the first to want to silence anything they don't agree with. That is a fact and wrong on many levels."
You are of course entitled to your opinion here. But that's all it is. My opinion is that you are wrong, but that's just my opinion. Cite your sources for your "fact" and now we're talking. Legitimate sources, not Breitbart.
All I am seeing from you is whining, passive-aggressive statements, and entitlement. You have a ton of gall calling other people "snowflakes."
You are of course entitled to your opinion here. But that's all it is. My opinion is that you are wrong, but that's just my opinion. Cite your sources for your "fact" and now we're talking. Legitimate sources, not Breitbart.
All I am seeing from you is whining, passive-aggressive statements, and entitlement. You have a ton of gall calling other people "snowflakes."
Sammi...thanks for joining the thread.
If you'll indulge me...I'd like to ask a question because I really AM curious to know if my thinking is off-base on the topic.
It seems like the issue is how people WANT to be identified and the issue of actually changing a birth certificate introduces some complications that concern me, as I believe the point has already been mentioned, of tracking issues within the human race. How many people were born with what chromosome? And, for other people, being able to track that would have some implications for folks who follow thinks like Ancestry/23-and-Me family history tracking.
But other than that, it SEEMS to me the "current" mindset of a person's choice is what is most important as far as being able to document a change (driver's license, directories, etc.)
So....can you help me better understand why my thinking might be considered offensive? I certainly don't MEAN it to be....
thank you!
If you'll indulge me...I'd like to ask a question because I really AM curious to know if my thinking is off-base on the topic.
It seems like the issue is how people WANT to be identified and the issue of actually changing a birth certificate introduces some complications that concern me, as I believe the point has already been mentioned, of tracking issues within the human race. How many people were born with what chromosome? And, for other people, being able to track that would have some implications for folks who follow thinks like Ancestry/23-and-Me family history tracking.
But other than that, it SEEMS to me the "current" mindset of a person's choice is what is most important as far as being able to document a change (driver's license, directories, etc.)
So....can you help me better understand why my thinking might be considered offensive? I certainly don't MEAN it to be....
thank you!
I've stayed out of this topic until now, but I figured I'd jump in here. I d a weekly show with someone who happens to be trans, and had just begun the transition when we met. She pointed out that changing your birth certificate is actually quite the process, it's not just as simple as submitting the form. From what I understand, you need to have been evaluated by a therapist and have all sorts of other things done which she has, but I would not understand because I'm not trans.
All of that depends on the state. But it's correct that they require some documented proof. In point of fact, I doubt very much that Dori could have his birth certificate changed to say he was born a woman. Although his first name could probably be used for either sex.
When I first saw the subject line for this thread, not having any idea who Monson is, my first thought was "The Seahawks have a woman on their broadcasts?"
What a ridiculous thing to say. Do you lift your knuckles off the ground when you walk?
Maybe you should read this:
https://www.babynames.com/name/Dori... a Hebrew male name, meaning “my generation.”
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Exactly. I meant nothing more than Dori looks like a woman's name, just like Nikki and Patti and Teri. Didn't mean to imply that a woman had no business talking about football, just that it's unusual to find one doing so as a broadcaster. Plenty of women call in to talk about the Patriots and Giants on shows devoted to those teams out this way, but the hosts are all male. There's no reason in the world that a woman can't be knowledgeable about football or able to conduct a talk show about it.
Dude, give it up. You're just digging yourself a bigger hole. There's been women football broadcasters since 1971.
Dude, I know that. But they're not common to this day. That's what "unusual" indicates.
Back to my main point. Everyone makes a mistake. Everyone. Should you lose your job because of a mistake? We would all be unemployed. I understand if there is a history of concerning behavior... and a private company can do what they want. I get that. I am not aware of Dori have a history that would warrant termination. I have not heard it myself. The people that are so quick to demand someone else lose there livelihood need to look in the mirror. We all have something to work on, including me. Social media is a dangerous place to play.
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