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E/I Madness In San Diego

Rollo-Smokes said:
I'm with most of you in saying it needs to go. Just as long as Litton's Weekend Adventure (and Claire Thomas) stays.

Looks like I'm not the only Claire Thomas fan on this board (though she is becoming the anti-Rachael Ray/Guy Fieri/Paula Deen).

Anyway...KXD had to air CBS's Cookie Jar block in progress at 6:30 pm last Saturday due to the NCAA tournament, and it will be the same case this weekend. The weekend before that over on KATN/KYUR/KJUD, college basketball bumped Claire Thomas to Sunday at 3:30 pm (usually, she's on Saturdays at 9:30 am (opposite the WWE's very non-E/I Saturday Morning Slam on the CW))!
 
FredLeonard said:
The E/I lobby basically killed kid's programming on OTA TV. (1) By making it "good for you" - veggies; not dessert. There was a time when kid's TV was entertaining (with little lessons slipped in). No this stuff.

As for "veggies, not dessert", it's not even green beans and peas, but rather turnips and Brussels sprouts -- to be honest, even the in-school educational shows that PBS stations used to show in the 1970s and 1980s were more entertaining than most E/I shows today.
 
azumanga said:
As for "veggies, not dessert", it's not even green beans and peas, but rather turnips and Brussels sprouts -- to be honest, even the in-school educational shows that PBS stations used to show in the 1970s and 1980s were more entertaining than most E/I shows today.

Tell that to the good folks at Mississippi Public Broadcasting!
 
This thread should be made into a show children should watch ;-) Many thoughtful and informative posts, answering questions and giving reasons for or against the requirement.

Opinion's about the forced nature of E/I, the impact it has on station revenue and added work load and uneeded red tape it creates.

I thank all of you that contributed to an exchange of thought's and idea's. To those who chose to decide I did not read the article or make comment's about my writing style and skills, please feel free to add any comment that may contribute to the subject of E/I, which is the subject here, or please find something better to do than see your "oh so funny" insults and accusations in type.

My typing is sub-par at times, I have arthiritus, which has caused me to lose some control over my fingers. It is a condition that I have had for a few years now and it is progressive, should I not contribute to this forum because of this problem? I won't bore you with details except to say, that it is painfull at times to write and type. That is my burden, we all have things to bare, you stay positive, you do the best with what you have and live. I could use some sort of device that would be easier for me, I choose not too. For the record, I hope that this meet's with your satisfaction, my brother(Hello) is typing this post for me :-].

I said that we recieved a big fine for having the time off by an hour in the public file, when we were payed a visit by a civillian(field agent) who stopped by on a weekday to see the file. We are obligated and happy to show the public file to someone wishing to see it. We spent a lot of time maintaining it, I was glad someone actually wanted to read it! I suspected it was an agent, I was not worried about it, I worked hard to keep that file up to date and thought I had done it properly.

The ONLY thing wrong was that one hour time mishap on paper. We DID show the proper amount of E/I programming for that day, this did not matter, because that ONE number was off on a Sunday morning(which was a Sunday that we changed the time at 2AM), we recieved a fine.

I worked for the radio station NOT the tv station, I did this for the owner of the station who was not good with all the red tape. Yes I think it is a money motivated on behalf of the government to take advantage of a private business owner who was barely making it. If you think this is appropiate so be it.

We were a TV/AM/FM standalone in a small market, we did many things to help our community. We went so far as having one of us stay at the stations over night if there was a threat of severe weather. Most of the time very bad storms did not occur, we still checked the weather in advance and made sure a warm body was there to go live, if needed. I was once there and gave out emergency information on the track of the tornado warning, on both tv and radio, from begining to end. Our competition was asleep. The tornado did some heavy damage to one corner of town. A few people were hurt, no one was killed!

Was it because we informed people hours ahead of time, had someone giving regular updates and going wall to wall that saved some people? For at least one older couple, yes. They had left the radio on when going to sleep, when we blared our own severe weather tone(you can only use the official tone when it comes through the EAS system), they had time to get up, get in the bathtub and cover themeselves with pillows and blankets. The bathroom was the only room in the house that was undamged. They made sure to come to the station many times with lunch or dinner for us to show their gratitude.

That is public service, not forcing station's to show shows that most kids don't watch.

Thanks to government meddling, the stations are closed at 5PM, there is no news department anymore and the FM was moved miles away to a bigger city. They were able to move the COL because we were not the only local service. They used another small town as the COL, they do NOT serve the COL as we did and the station is syndicated at all times except morning drive.

The FCC is fine with this, one hour off on a worthless file? They are all over you. Does this upset me? Yes. I'm sorry that you can't understand that and seem to imply I was looking for an exuse to "rant"

Have a good day,
GBTN
 
I also notice that The Country Network schedules all their E/I programming from 7am until 10am Eastern time on Saturday mornings. This means affiliates in the Pacific Time Zone are not legally abiding by the FCC's scheduling rules. I wonder if any west coast affiliate has ever pointed this out to them?
 
johnnya2k6 said:
azumanga said:
As for "veggies, not dessert", it's not even green beans and peas, but rather turnips and Brussels sprouts -- to be honest, even the in-school educational shows that PBS stations used to show in the 1970s and 1980s were more entertaining than most E/I shows today.

Tell that to the good folks at Mississippi Public Broadcasting!

MPB - or, as it was called back in day, Mississippi ETV - WAS pretty good at local productions, weren't they? Three from the '70s I remember are "Clyde Frog", "BBs Cover the Globe" and especially "The Metric System."

For being a very tardy latecomer to public broadcasting (1970), Mississippi had some good "instructional" offerings. Of course, it didn't hurt to have the kind of sugar daddy it did (in the well-publicized WLBT Ch. 3 situation, after the non-profit 'interim' operator assumed control of the station in 1971, 50% of the station's profits were funneled to ETV. Not only did it fund the statewide buildout of the network in 1972 from the single station in Jackson, but also bankrolled those memorable TV programs!)

Okay, back on topic. ;D

--Russell
 
Eric Stein said:
I also notice that The Country Network schedules all their E/I programming from 7am until 10am Eastern time on Saturday mornings. This means affiliates in the Pacific Time Zone are not legally abiding by the FCC's scheduling rules. I wonder if any west coast affiliate has ever pointed this out to them?

It's my understanding that this requirement, like most FCC regs, only apply to broadcast stations - not cable stations.
 
FredLeonard said:
Eric Stein said:
I also notice that The Country Network schedules all their E/I programming from 7am until 10am Eastern time on Saturday mornings. This means affiliates in the Pacific Time Zone are not legally abiding by the FCC's scheduling rules. I wonder if any west coast affiliate has ever pointed this out to them?

It's my understanding that this requirement, like most FCC regs, only apply to broadcast stations - not cable stations.

The Country Network is a digital multicast broadcast network. You might be thinking of CMT or GAC, which are cable-only. TCN has to air E/I just like all Me-TV, ThisTV, LWN, etc.
 
Russell W. said:
MPB - or, as it was called back in day, Mississippi ETV - WAS pretty good at local productions, weren't they? Three from the '70s I remember are "Clyde Frog", "BBs Cover the Globe" and especially "The Metric System."

You missed one Mississippi ETV show that was just as good: The Write Channel. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnIcNH07tws)

All this is making me think about how children's programming has degenerated over the last 40 years. Lobbyist groups, like Action for Children's Television, played a huge role what we now see today passes for kids' fare on broadcast TV. Some things were good in the overall grand scheme, some weren't. Notice that after the Children's Television Act passed, that particular group disbanded...coincidence or not?

An earlier post mentioned the Children's Television Workshop also pushed for that particular piece of legislation to become law, and then afterwards did nothing to contribute to it. Had they chose to enter broadcast TV, it would have endangered their 501(c)(3) status. And there was no way they would have ended their very lucrative, long-standing relationship with PBS.

Something else on my mind: At least in the '80s when I was young enough to camp myself in front of my set for about four hours on Saturday mornings, the stations got only one minute per hour to themselves. Pretty hard to make money that way. So I tend to think for that and other reasons, children's shows on network TV were in decline way before the Feds put the shackles on the industry.
 
Eric Stein said:
The Country Network is a digital multicast broadcast network. You might be thinking of CMT or GAC, which are cable-only. TCN has to air E/I just like all Me-TV, ThisTV, LWN, etc.

Gee, it's even worse than I thought. You mean stations MUST run this dreck on the main channel AND the sub-channels, too? Sub-channels didn't even exist when this went into effect.
 
FredLeonard said:
Eric Stein said:
The Country Network is a digital multicast broadcast network. You might be thinking of CMT or GAC, which are cable-only. TCN has to air E/I just like all Me-TV, ThisTV, LWN, etc.

Gee, it's even worse than I thought. You mean stations MUST run this dreck on the main channel AND the sub-channels, too? Sub-channels didn't even exist when this went into effect.

'Fraid so. My classic TV (MeTV, Antenna TV) has such blocks. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like "Green Screen Adventures" is all over the dials.

I wish there would be a remake of "Tennessee Tuxedo and His Tales." Now THAT was E/I *and* fun at the same time. I suppose some channel could run the originals, but much of Mr. Whoopee's lessons have changed in 50 years (one example would be that there were 103 basic elements---there are at least 108 now).

cd
 
cd637299 said:
'Fraid so. My classic TV (MeTV, Antenna TV) has such blocks. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like "Green Screen Adventures" is all over the dials.

It could be worse. KPHO's 5.2 weather subchannel airs a 150-minute block of the unwatchable (even to preschoolers) "Gina D's Kids Club." Why this, along with other low-budget shows like "Ultimate Choice" are still being offered in syndication to stations is beyond me.
 
cd637299 said:
I wish there would be a remake of "Tennessee Tuxedo and His Tales." Now THAT was E/I *and* fun at the same time. I suppose some channel could run the originals, but much of Mr. Whoopee's lessons have changed in 50 years (one example would be that there were 103 basic elements---there are at least 108 now).

cd

ME-TV used to run Tennessee and Underdog from 11am - 12 noon when it first started in Chicago. TV stations must share a lot of the blame because they were trying to pass off shows like "The Flintstones" as educational.
 
Mark said:
cd637299 said:
I wish there would be a remake of "Tennessee Tuxedo and His Tales." Now THAT was E/I *and* fun at the same time. I suppose some channel could run the originals, but much of Mr. Whoopee's lessons have changed in 50 years (one example would be that there were 103 basic elements---there are at least 108 now).

cd

ME-TV used to run Tennessee and Underdog from 11am - 12 noon when it first started in Chicago. TV stations must share a lot of the blame because they were trying to pass off shows like "The Flintstones" as educational.

Several years ago I uploaded a clip of ABC's World News Now from September 1992 onto YouTube which briefly illustrated the lengths stations were going towards satisfying the FCC regulations. The clip quoted an article from The New York Times.

 
Eric Stein said:
It could be worse. KPHO's 5.2 weather subchannel airs a 150-minute block of the unwatchable (even to preschoolers) "Gina D's Kids Club." Why this, along with other low-budget shows like "Ultimate Choice" are still being offered in syndication to stations is beyond me.

The fact that they're running the same show as a weekly marathon (as opposed to running one show a day for six days) gives a message of: "We don't want to do this, but we have to. And in doing so, we decide to do it halfheartedly." Even more so if they do something like run a teen-oriented E/I show at 10AM in the middle of the week, when its target audience is at school.
 
cd637299 said:
FredLeonard said:
Eric Stein said:
The Country Network is a digital multicast broadcast network. You might be thinking of CMT or GAC, which are cable-only. TCN has to air E/I just like all Me-TV, ThisTV, LWN, etc.

Gee, it's even worse than I thought. You mean stations MUST run this dreck on the main channel AND the sub-channels, too? Sub-channels didn't even exist when this went into effect.

'Fraid so. My classic TV (MeTV, Antenna TV) has such blocks.

The original law mandated three hours of E/I per station, but after stations began to take advantage of subchannels, it was changed to three hours per feed on that signal, later on allowing stations to trim E/I time off one subchannel by adding E/I onto another.
 
azumanga said:
The fact that they're running the same show as a weekly marathon (as opposed to running one show a day for six days) gives a message of: "We don't want to do this, but we have to. And in doing so, we decide to do it halfheartedly." Even more so if they do something like run a teen-oriented E/I show at 10AM in the middle of the week, when its target audience is at school.

I don't think KPHO even wants a subchannel. That's why the execution has been so lousy, including the Sunday afternoon E/I mess. I think they were coaxed by their weather graphics provider to take the 24/7 forecast automation.
 
Is KPHO a CBS O&O? If so, CBS O&O's don't want subs. In Miami, 4 & 33 are both CBS-owned; any conflict programming shifts CBS shows from ch 4 to ch 33.

Edit: Sorry, I am re-reading. Either KPHO isn't an O&O, or, I think I read that CBS is starting to relent on the subs. Maybe I'm wrong.

cd
 
cd637299 said:
Edit: Sorry, I am re-reading. Either KPHO isn't an O&O, or, I think I read that CBS is starting to relent on the subs. Maybe I'm wrong.

cd

KPHO is owned by Meridith Broadcasting
The only CBS O&O that have subchannels are NY & Philly (and soon LA) with a 24/7 news/weather thingy
 
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