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Techman
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EBC Radio is coming to central jersey. Subtract 510 from 1680 and you win a free dinner at a indian restaurant near you.
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DonReelSteal
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Are you trying tell us that EBC Radio is moving to 243 Watt Daytimer WWTR 1170?
> Are you trying tell us that EBC Radio is moving to 243 Watt
> Daytimer WWTR 1170?
>
Well that's the Math that I arrived at too... Certainly conceivable if you consider that it IS ONLY a Daytimer. And now that the Sunrise to Sunset times are approaching their annual "Lows," this paricular station will do very little to cater to the WMTR listeners in Central Jersey. Interesting move I shall say!
> Daytimer WWTR 1170?
>
Well that's the Math that I arrived at too... Certainly conceivable if you consider that it IS ONLY a Daytimer. And now that the Sunrise to Sunset times are approaching their annual "Lows," this paricular station will do very little to cater to the WMTR listeners in Central Jersey. Interesting move I shall say!
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Techman
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WTTM 1680 is going ESPN. EBC is running promos that there moving to 1170 on Nov.1
> > Are you trying tell us that EBC Radio is moving to 243
> Watt
> > Daytimer WWTR 1170?
> >
>
> Well that's the Math that I arrived at too... Certainly
> conceivable if you consider that it IS ONLY a Daytimer. And
> now that the Sunrise to Sunset times are approaching their
> annual "Lows," this paricular station will do very little to
> cater to the WMTR listeners in Central Jersey. Interesting
> move I shall say!
>
> > Are you trying tell us that EBC Radio is moving to 243
> Watt
> > Daytimer WWTR 1170?
> >
>
> Well that's the Math that I arrived at too... Certainly
> conceivable if you consider that it IS ONLY a Daytimer. And
> now that the Sunrise to Sunset times are approaching their
> annual "Lows," this paricular station will do very little to
> cater to the WMTR listeners in Central Jersey. Interesting
> move I shall say!
>
> EBC Radio is coming to central jersey.<
Isn't it ALREADY in Central Jersey on 1680? Or did Princeton suddenly move?
Isn't it ALREADY in Central Jersey on 1680? Or did Princeton suddenly move?
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am-fm
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> WTTM 1680 is going ESPN. EBC is running promos that there
> moving to 1170 on Nov.1
Damn, now I have to listen to WMTR on 1250.....
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> moving to 1170 on Nov.1
Damn, now I have to listen to WMTR on 1250.....
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wxctintern
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Okay? Is Nassau Buying WTTM from Multi-Cultural Broadcasting? And selling them 920 and 1170? I don't get it. It doesn't make sense otherwise. ESPN on 1680 with Mult-Cultural as owner. I doubt it. Especially with ESPN on 920. Or will they just sell them 1170 and move the oldies to 920?
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am-fm
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> Okay? Is Nassau Buying WTTM from Multi-Cultural
> Broadcasting? And selling them 920 and 1170? I don't get it.
> It doesn't make sense otherwise. ESPN on 1680 with
> Mult-Cultural as owner. I doubt it. Especially with ESPN on
> 920. Or will they just sell them 1170 and move the oldies to
> 920?
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> Broadcasting? And selling them 920 and 1170? I don't get it.
> It doesn't make sense otherwise. ESPN on 1680 with
> Mult-Cultural as owner. I doubt it. Especially with ESPN on
> 920. Or will they just sell them 1170 and move the oldies to
> 920?
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westlife
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ERC Radio 1170, Country 1250, Classic Oldies 105.5?
> EBC Radio is coming to central jersey. Subtract 510 from
> 1680 and you win a free dinner at a indian restaurant near
> you.
If Greater Media is going to sell a station to the EBC folks, then I'm surprised it's not 1450 WCTC, because 1450 would give them an AM Stereo signal 24 hours a day with nearly flawless coverage of central NJ's South Asian communities (Edison, South Plainfield, Iselin, etc.), even at night. However, WCTC is one of GM's "flagship" stations, so just like WPEN, they'll hang on to it even if its programming is a mess and its ratings are in the dump.
Nevertheless, if EBC Radio will end up on 1170 WWTR as planned, then that certainly supports the scattered rumors that the Classic Oldies format will be moving to 105.5 WDHA -- which would open up 1250 WMTR to switch to a Country format, just in time for the CMAs in New York City on November 15th! Or, perhaps vice versa: Classic Oldies stays on 1250, and Country comes to 105.5 -- depending on which format is seen as being more marketable to advertisers.
Still, if EBC wanted a flea-power daytimer in central NJ, they should've looked at 1070 WKMB instead, since they could probably resurrect WKMB's old Counstruction Permit to upgrade from 250 to 2500 watts and possibly add a nighttime signal as well (probably only 50 to 100 watts, but it's still better than nothing!).
Edit: Another thought is that Greater Media may turn 1450 WCTC into a WMTR simulcast, thus giving Classic Oldies a full 24-hour signal in Central Jersey -- in AM Stereo, too, if they wire it up correctly!
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"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by westlife on 10/16/05 02:37 AM.</FONT></P>
> EBC Radio is coming to central jersey. Subtract 510 from
> 1680 and you win a free dinner at a indian restaurant near
> you.
If Greater Media is going to sell a station to the EBC folks, then I'm surprised it's not 1450 WCTC, because 1450 would give them an AM Stereo signal 24 hours a day with nearly flawless coverage of central NJ's South Asian communities (Edison, South Plainfield, Iselin, etc.), even at night. However, WCTC is one of GM's "flagship" stations, so just like WPEN, they'll hang on to it even if its programming is a mess and its ratings are in the dump.
Nevertheless, if EBC Radio will end up on 1170 WWTR as planned, then that certainly supports the scattered rumors that the Classic Oldies format will be moving to 105.5 WDHA -- which would open up 1250 WMTR to switch to a Country format, just in time for the CMAs in New York City on November 15th! Or, perhaps vice versa: Classic Oldies stays on 1250, and Country comes to 105.5 -- depending on which format is seen as being more marketable to advertisers.
Still, if EBC wanted a flea-power daytimer in central NJ, they should've looked at 1070 WKMB instead, since they could probably resurrect WKMB's old Counstruction Permit to upgrade from 250 to 2500 watts and possibly add a nighttime signal as well (probably only 50 to 100 watts, but it's still better than nothing!).
Edit: Another thought is that Greater Media may turn 1450 WCTC into a WMTR simulcast, thus giving Classic Oldies a full 24-hour signal in Central Jersey -- in AM Stereo, too, if they wire it up correctly!
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"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by westlife on 10/16/05 02:37 AM.</FONT></P>
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Techman
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Re: ERC Radio 1170, Country 1250, Classic Oldies 105.5? *DELETED*
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westlife
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Re: ERC Radio 1170, Country 1250, Classic Oldies 105.5? *DELETED*
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> WTTM 1680 is going ESPN. EBC is running promos that there
> moving to 1170 on Nov.1
>
There were discussions here and elsewhere a few months
back that said that WMTR was doing just great with the
oldies format. Part of that claimed success would have
to be in Somerset County where there is a prime audience
for that type of music. Why would WWTR convert to a
music format that appeals to a small segment of the
population?
> moving to 1170 on Nov.1
>
There were discussions here and elsewhere a few months
back that said that WMTR was doing just great with the
oldies format. Part of that claimed success would have
to be in Somerset County where there is a prime audience
for that type of music. Why would WWTR convert to a
music format that appeals to a small segment of the
population?
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westlife
Guest
> There were discussions here and elsewhere a few months
> back that said that WMTR was doing just great with the
> oldies format. Part of that claimed success would have
> to be in Somerset County where there is a prime audience
> for that type of music. Why would WWTR convert to a
> music format that appeals to a small segment of the
> population?
Hopefully because WMTR has bigger and better things planned for its Central Jersey listeners... like moving the simulcast to 1450 WCTC, or moving the whole station to 105.5 FM. (They won't be able to call it WMTR-FM, though -- at least not until after some negotiations with the owners of 96.1 WMTR-FM in Archbold, Ohio.)
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> back that said that WMTR was doing just great with the
> oldies format. Part of that claimed success would have
> to be in Somerset County where there is a prime audience
> for that type of music. Why would WWTR convert to a
> music format that appeals to a small segment of the
> population?
Hopefully because WMTR has bigger and better things planned for its Central Jersey listeners... like moving the simulcast to 1450 WCTC, or moving the whole station to 105.5 FM. (They won't be able to call it WMTR-FM, though -- at least not until after some negotiations with the owners of 96.1 WMTR-FM in Archbold, Ohio.)
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DonReelSteal
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WKMB
I doubt WKMB could EVER get ANY night power. It has to protect 1070 which is a Canadian clear.
If by chance it could get night power, it'd probably have to add way too many towers to make it a useable signal.
I doubt WKMB could EVER get ANY night power. It has to protect 1070 which is a Canadian clear.
If by chance it could get night power, it'd probably have to add way too many towers to make it a useable signal.
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WalterK
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> > WTTM 1680 is going ESPN. EBC is running promos that there
> > moving to 1170 on Nov.1
>
> Damn, now I have to listen to WMTR on 1250.....
>
> Ah well....
>
Or 105.5 in a few weeks,Stay Tuned<>
> > moving to 1170 on Nov.1
>
> Damn, now I have to listen to WMTR on 1250.....
>
> Ah well....
>
Or 105.5 in a few weeks,Stay Tuned<>
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wxctintern
Guest
My Bad
My bad. Greater Media. Nassau. It all looks the same from my perch in Connecticut. *Grin*
My bad. Greater Media. Nassau. It all looks the same from my perch in Connecticut. *Grin*
> > There were discussions here and elsewhere a few months
> > back that said that WMTR was doing just great with the
> > oldies format. Part of that claimed success would have
> > to be in Somerset County where there is a prime audience
> > for that type of music. Why would WWTR convert to a
> > music format that appeals to a small segment of the
> > population?
>
> Hopefully because WMTR has bigger and better things planned
> for its Central Jersey listeners... like moving the
> simulcast to 1450 WCTC, or moving the whole station to 105.5
> FM. (They won't be able to call it WMTR-FM, though -- at
> least not until after some negotiations with the owners of
> 96.1 WMTR-FM in Archbold, Ohio.)
>
This still begs an answer to the question of why EBC would
want to tranmit an Asian Indian format on a station that is
far removed from the population that will appreciate it.
With 243 watts, WWTR does not project a wonderful signal
into, say, Edison, where there is a substantial Indian ethnic
population.
The 2000 census shows that of Somerset County's population
of approximately 300 thousand, just 8.38 percent are described
as "Asians." Because "Asian" is a geographic, not racial,
category, we have to presume that it includes people who
claim past residency from portions of the Middle East all the
way through China. We can assume that something less than
8 percent of the Somerset County population as Indian..the
prime demographic for the EBC format. And of that population,
not all enjoy or want to listen to an ethnic-formatted radio
station. Second- and third-generation Indians might well be
into other formats...even oldies!!
How viable will WWTR be as an advertising outlet for
businesses that appeal to those of Indian descent?
> > back that said that WMTR was doing just great with the
> > oldies format. Part of that claimed success would have
> > to be in Somerset County where there is a prime audience
> > for that type of music. Why would WWTR convert to a
> > music format that appeals to a small segment of the
> > population?
>
> Hopefully because WMTR has bigger and better things planned
> for its Central Jersey listeners... like moving the
> simulcast to 1450 WCTC, or moving the whole station to 105.5
> FM. (They won't be able to call it WMTR-FM, though -- at
> least not until after some negotiations with the owners of
> 96.1 WMTR-FM in Archbold, Ohio.)
>
This still begs an answer to the question of why EBC would
want to tranmit an Asian Indian format on a station that is
far removed from the population that will appreciate it.
With 243 watts, WWTR does not project a wonderful signal
into, say, Edison, where there is a substantial Indian ethnic
population.
The 2000 census shows that of Somerset County's population
of approximately 300 thousand, just 8.38 percent are described
as "Asians." Because "Asian" is a geographic, not racial,
category, we have to presume that it includes people who
claim past residency from portions of the Middle East all the
way through China. We can assume that something less than
8 percent of the Somerset County population as Indian..the
prime demographic for the EBC format. And of that population,
not all enjoy or want to listen to an ethnic-formatted radio
station. Second- and third-generation Indians might well be
into other formats...even oldies!!
How viable will WWTR be as an advertising outlet for
businesses that appeal to those of Indian descent?
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westlife
Guest
Re: WKMB
> I had heard that WKMB did have night authority of 50 watts,
> but it wasn't being used. Tony Dee, can you clarify?
1070 WKMB has a Pre-Sunrise / Post-Sunset Authority (PSRA / PSSA) for 50 watts. This gives them a low-power signal they can use for up to one hour before sunrise and one hour after sunset. Until the late '90s, WKMB used this to extend their broadcasting time in the winter months. The area covered by this 50-watt signal varied widely depending on atmospheric conditions. On good days, it could be heard clearly as far away as New Brunswick and Livingston. On bad days, it couldn't even make it to Plainfield without getting all choppy because of the skywave interference from other stations on 1070 kHz.
1170 WWTR did consider applying for a PSRA / PSSA back when they were revived as WBRW in 1997, but they elected not to because it would only be around 10 watts -- barely enough to cover even the immediate Bridgewater / Somerville / Manville area.
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> I had heard that WKMB did have night authority of 50 watts,
> but it wasn't being used. Tony Dee, can you clarify?
1070 WKMB has a Pre-Sunrise / Post-Sunset Authority (PSRA / PSSA) for 50 watts. This gives them a low-power signal they can use for up to one hour before sunrise and one hour after sunset. Until the late '90s, WKMB used this to extend their broadcasting time in the winter months. The area covered by this 50-watt signal varied widely depending on atmospheric conditions. On good days, it could be heard clearly as far away as New Brunswick and Livingston. On bad days, it couldn't even make it to Plainfield without getting all choppy because of the skywave interference from other stations on 1070 kHz.
1170 WWTR did consider applying for a PSRA / PSSA back when they were revived as WBRW in 1997, but they elected not to because it would only be around 10 watts -- barely enough to cover even the immediate Bridgewater / Somerville / Manville area.
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