Ed Schultz Moves To MSNBC Weekends

[RicoGregg]

If this is a demotion, Ed is certainly hiding any disappointment on his part quite well.

Of course he is hiding it. Back in November the NY Times reported MSNBC was wanting to replace his 8:00PM show, and Shultz went on a tirade on his radio show about it not being true.

Keep inmind this guy use to be right wing talker, and when he didn't become one of the big ones he switched to being liberal. Who knows what he really believes, but obviously he's a good actor.

Speaking of "good actors" (quotation marks intended), Ronald Reagan not only used to be a liberal Democrat, but he was once head of a union! Who knows what that actor really believed! 8)

Oh yeah, Arianna Huffington Herself used to be a loud, annoying smack-talking conservative until her now-former husband lost the election and came out of his closet. After the revelation and subsequent divorce, she made a sudden political U-turn, started the Huffington Post, and as they like to say, you know the rest of the story.

 

[jfrancispastirchak]

^^^ What Reagan "really believed" (Reply 20) may be a bone of contention today, but his own narrative was quite clear. He professed frustration the Democratic Party's pivot to the left as the reason for his political turn. I myself never viewed Reagan as a "liberal" Democrat, but rather an old school "heartland" Democrat, in the tradition of John Kennedy and Harry Truman (notice I do not include brother Ted in this category).

Just curious about heading a union-- were you referring to the Actors Union? Seems like Hollywood's flow chart for that position is one of traditional ascent, with the crown landing on the head of actors of all political persuasions.

 

[RicoGregg]

^^^^^ (you get the idea)


If JFK wasn't a liberal (civil rights, etc.), I don't know who was.

Reagan was head of the Screen Actors' Guild, which Ken Howard now heads. I don't know the political persuasions of all the SAG presidents there ever were, but then that was never an issue, just union affairs were.

SAG was formed because of labor abuse by major studios in earlier days of the film industry. To make some long stories short, the old studio system (sign for 7 years at $100 a week, make films that gross millions for us that we won't share with you, act in movies you don't want to be in or be put on suspension, work in unsafe conditions, and if you get into a jam, call us before you call the police) was legal slavery, and ruled as such by subsequent court hearings.

The way some studios treated child actors, particularly the appalling way MGM, with Louis B. Mayer's approval, starved and drugged Judy Garland, ranks right up there with the child abuse of some supposedly less-developed countries. Thankfully, they couldn't get away with that today.

Personal politics has nothing to do with labor relations between actors, studios, and more prominently today, producers.

Take this any way you please, but for what it's worth, back in "the day", under the old studio system, virtually all the major movie moguls were conservative Republicans: Mayer, Jack Warner, Walt Disney (the only mogul to welcome a Nazi, Leni Reifenstahl, on his lot), and Columbia's Harry Cohn, who was very much against inter-racial romances. Ask Kim Novak about that and her ill-fated romance with Sammy Davis, Jr. and how Cohn "handled it".

 

[Irishfl]

Reagan never made much of a change. As he said he didn't leave the democratic party, they left him. Huffington was a good wife, until as you said she left her husband and started to go left.

Schultz was a Hannity clone who got paid to do what rightwing talkers do. Go on the attack everything democrat/liberal. However after not becoming as big as a Hannity/Rush & all those others & after the GOP wouldn't support him in a run for congress he did a 180 flip and became a left version of Hannity. Go on the attack everything republican/conservative.

People's politics do change over time, and there are many examples of a liberal becoming conservative or a conservative becoming a liberal, but nobody goes from one extreme to the other overnight.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

People's politics do change over time, and there are many examples of a liberal becoming conservative or a conservative becoming a liberal, but nobody goes from one extreme to the other overnight.

It is probably more typical for people to have a slow change... but in both politics and religion, there is such a thing as "sudden, instant, overnight, slam-the-mousetrap" conversion.

And sometimes the extreme all-at-once change is what we see. We don't know what has been gnawing at a person's brain, psyche, conscience or make-up for weeks, months or even years.

So. What is reality. Is reality what people SAY? Can human-kind assume that the talker who says it loudest is giving us a dose of the true reality of life? Is the secret of learning what is real is to line up all the "talking folks" and see who has been consistent the longest? If more conservative talkers have gone longer without a change, then that proves conservtism is "the true religion" when it comes to politics. But if it turns out more liberal talkers have the longest time-in-grade without a flip-flop, then should we all get up tomorrow morning, put on our liberal suit, and go face the world accordingly?

When I was young, there were corporations in America that built sturdy, long-lasting product. And at just about every company there was some engineering type who was in charge of things who could "rule the roost" and all the worker-bee engineers knew they had to design parts for tractors and airplanes and home appliances that made the boss happy. Colleges and universities had department heads who operated the same way. If you are a professor and you want to attain tenure, you better teach what the dean approves of.... even if you know he is WRONG.

Today we live in an age where brilliant young engineers and brilliant young professors can be in contact with other similar people around the world via the internet and affordable phone rates. With today's computers that know before they pour the cast-iron into a mold that even though the part will be much slimmer than what they were producing 30 years ago, the part that holds the transmission together on that tractor chugging through the rice field is going to hold together.... even though the retired old engineer has assured them it can happen.

I keep hoping that somehow we will come up with computer models and laboratory tests that will help us formulate tax laws and other legislation that works just right. Unfortunately, in Washington and in state capitols around the country we still make law the same way they built Farmall and John Deere tractors in 1936!!!

And then there is the voter. If we keep voting the way our father's and grandfather's farmed in 1936.... there is no hope for this thing called Self-Government.

And Talk Radio keeps arguing over the same issues with all the intelligence and wisdom of the way we ran our farms and factories in 1936!

 

[formeraa]

@GoatRadioCowboy -- Excellent analysis!!!