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Eddie Edwards buys WPYT 660
- Thread starter LA_Guy
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Parttimer said:
Don't mean to say I told ya so, but.....
Really good choice for this format, it is a very good signal. Everyone was assuming he was going to try and replace 106.7's hip-hop format...OF COURSE you can't do that on AM.....
Now you get Steve Harvey, maybe a local host or two, I think there are some other good syndicated talkers out there aimed at Urban audiences (Is Ken Hamblin, the "Black Avenger" still on the air?), do some nice gospel shows on the weekend and this represents a very productive use of a station that was a complete and total waste of electricity.
It will serve the community and make a little money. A win-win.
What about talker Warren Ballentine (10am-1pm),Al Sharpton (1pm-4pm),a local person (4pm-7pm) and The Bev Smith Show after 7pm?
R&B Adult music on Saturdays and Gospel on Sundays.
R&B Adult music on Saturdays and Gospel on Sundays.
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MsMusicRadio
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JerseyDude said:
ISN'T THIS DAYTIME ONLY?
MsMusicRadio said:
Another website says there is a power decrease at night.
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wpyt&sr=Y&s=C
The irony is that its transmitter came from WILD in Boston, formerly a sister station to WAMO. When Radio One moved the WILD tower location, Langer bought the ten year old BE solid state transmitter, had it factory refurbished and moved in frequency from 1090 to 660.
It's a 5000 watt transmitter, loafing along at 1400 watts output.
So, things have come full circle....
It's a 5000 watt transmitter, loafing along at 1400 watts output.
So, things have come full circle....
JerseyDude said:
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wpyt&sr=Y&s=C
According to the FCC website, it's strictly daytime only. According to
radio locator, they have flea power at night from a transmitter site out by Johnstown. I think that can't be right. Was 660 perhaps a move-in and radio locator neglected to delete part of the old facility?
I give up! I thought I knew how to navigate some of the FCC records, but that night-time thing located out by Portage according to Radio Locator I just can't find in the FCC records.
That would be novel....A night time site 63 miles from the daytime site?
Hmmmm. does not compute.
That would be novel....A night time site 63 miles from the daytime site?
Hmmmm. does not compute.
It's just radio-locator being radio-locator. What's now WPYT 660 is the same license that used to be WFJY 1470 out in Portage, near Johnstown. When it was out there, it was a class D with flea-power at night. When it moved to Wilkinsburg, it couldn't run any power at night on 660. Lord only knows why that old Portage record is still showing up...
The co-ordinates for the Portage site match those used today by WLKJ-FM, 105.7 with 3kw, a K-love station operating as a not-for-profit. I would assume they put the FM antenna on the tower left over from the old WFJY?
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FreddyE1977
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JerseyDude said:
Impossible, WFAN still has clear channel rights, sort of...
I certainly wish Mr. Edwards well. He clearly cares deeply about this. That being the case
he can't help but do a better job with that signal than the current owners have done. (at
least half the time when I tune across there it's open carrier due to some failure of the
automation)
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
Uh... yeah. Here's an educated guess. Langer is a guy who snagged a 1-kw daytimer on 1530 in McConnellsburg (out in the woods, west of Chambersburg) and moved the license a hundred miles east to King of Prussia (yeah, the mall near Philly) and changed the frequency to 1180 with a killowatt--essentially swapping a market of deer & trees for market #8, swapping a graveyard frequency for a mid-dial channel, and vastly increasing the value (well, as AM daytimers go).
My guess is that he did the same thing with Portage & Pittsburgh--though I didn't follow that particular action--and the radio-locator night notation may be a lingering hint of the station's past glory in lovely, picturesque & historic Portage.
Probably paid $50,000 for the a dead small-town channel and turned it into $500,000. Not bad--even if it cost him $300,000 to do it.
Don't know Langer, but my hunch is that he's either an engineer... a communications attorney... or both. Or he has pals of that ilk guiding him.
This is very arcane stuff--taking advantage of rules that no one else is paying any attention to--to create money.
Pretty damn clever.
But does anyone on this here board know anything about "the Portage connection?" Am I on the right track?
Yes, you seem to have it down about right. If you go back about four messages you will see one where Scott Fybush spells out which station was moved, and responds to my message pointing out that the latitude/longitude listed in Radio Locator for a night time location is today the tower where the FM transmitter still operates that used to be paired with AM that was moved. (Those of us who worry about such details have the same kind of mental disorders the the hard-core d-x chasers have!!!)
I guess in the last AM window... what was it 4 or 5 years ago now? there were so many of these daytimer relocations in the mix that I read somewhere that the FCC rules will be changed so that doesn't happen again, but I have no confirmation about such a change. But that whole issue is something we will discuss in another thread. I don't know the Pittsburgh radio market but I see a lot of enthusiasm for this transaction by Eddie Edwards. Sounds like there will be a number of happy listeners, but IN THE DAYTIME ONLY for now.
I guess in the last AM window... what was it 4 or 5 years ago now? there were so many of these daytimer relocations in the mix that I read somewhere that the FCC rules will be changed so that doesn't happen again, but I have no confirmation about such a change. But that whole issue is something we will discuss in another thread. I don't know the Pittsburgh radio market but I see a lot of enthusiasm for this transaction by Eddie Edwards. Sounds like there will be a number of happy listeners, but IN THE DAYTIME ONLY for now.
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MsMusicRadio
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how could 660 go f/t with 660 in nyc? even with 0.8 watts?
MsMuicRadio: They can't... and they didn't.
I didn't spell that out in my previous message. When the station was at Portage, PA it was on another frequency and did have some night time power there. When they applied to move it in close to Pittsburgh and change to 660, they lost the night time hours, and at first only had 220 watts daytime. If you prowl through the FCC records you see this nightmare of paperwork some engineer put together which enabled them to go from 220 watts up to 1,400 watts, daytime only. They had to do a lot of fancy-footwork and carefully dot their "i"s and cross their "t"s to make that squeeze into place. BUT NO NIGHT TIME operation. That's the FCC records.
What has caused all this conversation is the fact that RADIO-LOCATOR has a bit of flotsam lodged in their database so when you look up the station there, you see the record their 660khz 1400 watts daytime at the southeast edge of metro Pittsburgh, AND you see the old stale bit of data showing them to still be operation at night with 88 watts out in Portage, PA, 69 miles away. In the computer business we would say "Somebody fat-fingered the file input."
I didn't spell that out in my previous message. When the station was at Portage, PA it was on another frequency and did have some night time power there. When they applied to move it in close to Pittsburgh and change to 660, they lost the night time hours, and at first only had 220 watts daytime. If you prowl through the FCC records you see this nightmare of paperwork some engineer put together which enabled them to go from 220 watts up to 1,400 watts, daytime only. They had to do a lot of fancy-footwork and carefully dot their "i"s and cross their "t"s to make that squeeze into place. BUT NO NIGHT TIME operation. That's the FCC records.
What has caused all this conversation is the fact that RADIO-LOCATOR has a bit of flotsam lodged in their database so when you look up the station there, you see the record their 660khz 1400 watts daytime at the southeast edge of metro Pittsburgh, AND you see the old stale bit of data showing them to still be operation at night with 88 watts out in Portage, PA, 69 miles away. In the computer business we would say "Somebody fat-fingered the file input."
We've said (me and others) that the 103.1 format/K-Love descriptor on Radio-Locator is wrong for Bob Stevens' move-in station. They picked up the calls from another former callsign for another K-Love affiliate somewhere else.
(They also messed up WBWR and WBRW somewhere, putting the Southwest Virginia station's format on the Columbus station or vice versa.)
Don't take R-L as gospel. It's a decent information source, for free (until you max out the bandwidth), but it makes mistakes. The WPYT night authorization does not exist out of the Wilkinsburg facility. Period.
Question: with Eddie going urban talk on 660, would he still be interested in pairing it with an in-city FM translator? Would he approach Keymarket about the 105.5 translator they picked up from EMF?
(They also messed up WBWR and WBRW somewhere, putting the Southwest Virginia station's format on the Columbus station or vice versa.)
Don't take R-L as gospel. It's a decent information source, for free (until you max out the bandwidth), but it makes mistakes. The WPYT night authorization does not exist out of the Wilkinsburg facility. Period.
Question: with Eddie going urban talk on 660, would he still be interested in pairing it with an in-city FM translator? Would he approach Keymarket about the 105.5 translator they picked up from EMF?
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