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Electrocution by microphone

Yesterday, a minister was standing in a baptismal tub at a church in Waco, Texas, reached out and touched a microphone and was electrocuted.

QUESTION: An XLR microphone is fed by a positive, negative, and ground connection. Assuming the microphone was working, could this suggest that the ground was not connected? If not the microphone itself, could a ground missing in the console or amp have led to this? Wouldn't a properly grounded microphone and PA system provide a better path to ground than somebody standing in water?

Given an industry that puts microphones (sometimes hastily) in a variety of envirionments, especially outdoor remotes, how do we protect ourselves from grabbing a lethal mic?
 
> Yesterday, a minister was standing in a baptismal tub at a
> church in Waco, Texas, reached out and touched a microphone
> and was electrocuted.

Never a good idea to touch anything electrical while standing
in water. Especially a baptismal tub.

> QUESTION: An XLR microphone is fed by a positive, negative,
> and ground connection.

Not quite right. Positive and negative refer to polarity of
a direct current source. With microphones the + and -
refer to the high and low sides of audio.

> Assuming the microphone was working,
> could this suggest that the ground was not connected?

It more strongly suggests that the ground (shield and,
perhaps an additional drain wire) WERE connected. But
read on and weep!

> If
> not the microphone itself, could a ground missing in the
> console or amp have led to this?

In this kind of instance it is most typical that either the
amplifier was pretty old and didn't have a 3-prong (U-ground)
AC cord; that somebody has cut off the ground prong or that
the AC system into which it was plugged was faulty or,
perhaps very old, and lacking a ground connection.

Older amps sometimes had one side of the AC cord connected
directly to the chassis and the plugs were polarized (one
prong wider than the other) so the chassis would always
be connected to the neutral. Unfortunately, easily defeated
by accident or by changing a worn-out plug, etc. There are
many ways the hot side of the AC line might have gotten
shorted to the microphone ground (shield) with predictable
results.

Understand, I'm not trying to guess what caused this particular
accident; commenting only on how this KIND of thing happens.

> Given an industry that puts microphones (sometimes hastily)
> in a variety of envirionments, especially outdoor remotes,
> how do we protect ourselves from grabbing a lethal mic?

First, by not defeating the grounding of any equipment through
cutting off the third prong on the AC cord or by using a 3 to
2 prong adapter (these have a ground wire you're supposed to
attach to earth ground, intended for use when the electrical system
is old and doesn't have a ground pin on the socket).

Second, by checking with a volt meter between the microphone shell
and the U-ground socket on the wall plug to make sure there's nothing
going on.

Third, by never handling anything electrical while standing in
water or even on wet ground. I've always made it a practice
to wrap the "handle" of any mic to be used outdoors in a couple
of layers of electical tape. Even including the metal of the
XLR. And that's not intended to be primary protection; rather
to protect against something that breaks down or otherwise goes
wrong after checking the equipment first.

Of course you can be a little less "picky" if the equipment is
entirely battery operated like a portable recorder or camera.

The faith of one who touches a microphone while standing in a
pool impresses me! The intelligence? No, But the faith!!!!

Even with all this stuff some experienced engineers manage to
kill themselves each year by defeating interlocks and raising
ENG vehicle masts into powerlines.



<P ID="signature">______________
"Only sick music makes money today."
--Friedrich Nietzsch (he said this before
rap was invented, or even rock!)</P>
 
Les,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but would it not also matter whether or not the microphone had 48v phantom power applied to it?

-A<P ID="signature">______________

</P>
 
> Even with all this stuff some experienced engineers manage
> to
> kill themselves each year by defeating interlocks and
> raising
> ENG vehicle masts into powerlines.

Harris has an entire chapter dedicated to explaining the process of defeating the door interlocks on the tranny. I was told that the chapter was removed from more recent revisions of the manual.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
I heard that on the air yesterday and was thinking about it. I'm going to assume that a church PA system was an old style amp that didn't have an earth ground and had +48V phantom on. His hands must have been wet and that got inside the mic because if the case of the microphone was electrified then it would have grounded out on anything it touched.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
Given that the current requirements on 48 volt phantom power are usually pretty low - just enough to drive one transistor - I think there should be a safety system similar to those on ESD wrist straps. A series resistor to limit current in case of ground fault.

Cheap XLR's are the bane of my existance. Once a month or so, I can count on a lengthy session with the soldering iron fixing cables. Of all the lame, unreliable standards the radio and musical industries could have picked, this is one of the worst. But we are stuck with it, and the only way to make these kludgy connectors work is to buy really good ones, and solder and heatshrink everything. Once done right, unless you use the cable as a rope to lift heavy equipment or something - you shouldn't have to do it again. But - somebody always puts new equipment / cables into the mix - or a night guy does a repair himself, etc. So there are always new breaks to repair.

Anybody caught cutting off a ground prong on a cord should be FIRED on the spot - church, radio station, musical venue, etc. This type of thing will keep happening as long as people ignore electrical safety.

If you don't go through your station with a $5 outlet checker and make sure every outlet is properly wired, you should be criminally negligent. Not to mention that it will save you hours of time chasing down hum problems, and thousands of dollars when you DON'T blow up equipment.

I feel for the minister's family. Hopefully they become advocates for electrical safety.
 
> Yesterday, a minister was standing in a baptismal tub at a
> church in Waco, Texas, reached out and touched a microphone
> and was electrocuted.
>
> QUESTION: An XLR microphone is fed by a positive, negative,
> and ground connection. Assuming the microphone was working,
> could this suggest that the ground was not connected? If
> not the microphone itself, could a ground missing in the
> console or amp have led to this? Wouldn't a properly
> grounded microphone and PA system provide a better path to
> ground than somebody standing in water?
>
> Given an industry that puts microphones (sometimes hastily)
> in a variety of envirionments, especially outdoor remotes,
> how do we protect ourselves from grabbing a lethal mic?
>

There are many things that could have gone wrong in this case, but not knowing the specific model amp or microphone, I'll generalize. If it were an older amplifier (50's or 60's vintage), it possibly was not grounded. In some cases, there were capacitors from the power cord to the metal chassis of the amplifiers. If those caps became leaky enough or the cord was non-polarized and had been recently reversed, the amount of current between the chassis and ground could become lethal.
I'm not familiar with modern commercial amplifier/mixer designs, but I've never met one that didn't have a grounded cord.

Ground Fault recepticles are a good safely device to have when working with anything around water.
When working on hot chassis tube equipment, I make use of isolation transformers, one for the equipment being on, and another for my test gear.

<P ID="signature">______________
Jon Scaptura
Binghamton Radio Archive
http://www.BinghamtonRadio.com
</P>
 
> Harris has an entire chapter dedicated to explaining the
> process of defeating the door interlocks on the tranny. I
> was told that the chapter was removed from more recent
> revisions of the manual.

Forgive me for asking, but is there a reason one would need to do that?

-A <P ID="signature">______________

</P>
 
> Forgive me for asking, but is there a reason one would need
> to do that?

For some troubleshooting it's very difficult to get anywhere
if you can't have the transmitter powered. Not always
impossible; just nearly so. Over a period of more than 40-years
work with transmitters I think I've resorted to it twice and
never ventured inside with power on. Not even reaching a hand
in. Once with a probe attached to the end of a fiberglass pole...
once just to observe. Some transmitters used to have glass in
the doors so you could do that but most manufacturers won't
go to the extra expense anymore.
<P ID="signature">______________
"Only sick music makes money today."
--Friedrich Nietzsch (he said this before
rap was invented, or even rock!)</P>
 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but would it not also matter
> whether or not the microphone had 48v phantom power applied
> to it?

If there were phantom power (and I had overlooked that, being
of the old "anything other than a dynamic mic is consumer junk"
school), then it would have to have been badly designed or in
some way failed. 48 Volts is plenty to kill if the path is
just right. Depending on conditions you can kill with well
under 10 Volts! It just takes a little more effort.
<P ID="signature">______________
"Only sick music makes money today."
--Friedrich Nietzsch (he said this before
rap was invented, or even rock!)</P>
 
> Yesterday, a minister was standing in a baptismal tub at a
> church in Waco, Texas, reached out and touched a microphone
> and was electrocuted.
>
In this kind of situation, as a safety matter, it is also helpful to not have any buckets nearby the podium or stage, so the minister can't "kick the bucket"
 
> Forgive me for asking, but is there a reason one would need
> to do that?

In-circuit testing. I didn't power it up, but I couldn't have it grounded out either.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> The faith of one who touches a microphone while standing in
> a
> pool impresses me! The intelligence? No, But the faith!!!!

For the record, the article alluded to the fact that this setup had been used before without incident, which would indicate (to me) that proper precautions had (at least in the past) been taken. Many of you have said that it's possible something "wore out" and could have caused the accident, or maybe his hands were wet and he grabbed the wrong part of the mic.

At any rate, at all of the baptisms of this kind that I have witnessed, a cordless mic has been used, and it stayed several feet away from the tank.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Given that the current requirements on 48 volt phantom power
> are usually pretty low - just enough to drive one transistor
> - I think there should be a safety system similar to those
> on ESD wrist straps. A series resistor to limit current in
> case of ground fault.
>
> Cheap XLR's are the bane of my existance. Once a month or
> so, I can count on a lengthy session with the soldering iron
> fixing cables. Of all the lame, unreliable standards the
> radio and musical industries could have picked, this is one
> of the worst. But we are stuck with it, and the only way to
> make these kludgy connectors work is to buy really good
> ones, and solder and heatshrink everything. Once done
> right, unless you use the cable as a rope to lift heavy
> equipment or something - you shouldn't have to do it again.
> But - somebody always puts new equipment / cables into the
> mix - or a night guy does a repair himself, etc. So there
> are always new breaks to repair.
>
> Anybody caught cutting off a ground prong on a cord should
> be FIRED on the spot - church, radio station, musical venue,
> etc. This type of thing will keep happening as long as
> people ignore electrical safety.
>
> If you don't go through your station with a $5 outlet
> checker and make sure every outlet is properly wired, you
> should be criminally negligent. Not to mention that it will
> save you hours of time chasing down hum problems, and
> thousands of dollars when you DON'T blow up equipment.
>
> I feel for the minister's family. Hopefully they become
> advocates for electrical safety.
>

There is also the possibility that the scenario is exactly opposite of "the norm", that is for whatever reason the tank could have become electrified somehow and the minister completed the circuit when he held the grounded mike shell. A scenario similar to this happened at a state park where there was a soft drink machine outside a building which was shocking patrons when they touched it. Electricians had been unable to locate any faulty wiring on the machine and the problem had occurred for some time whenever it rained. I happened to be there working on a radio system problem and one of the electricians happened to mention that the driveway adjacent to the softdrink machine never froze up in winter regardless of the temperature. That set off a red flag in my mind and in the ensuing conversation I learned that there was an underground electrical feed to an adjacent building which ran beneath the driveway through a metal conduit. To make a long story short, one lead of the feeder had shorted to the metallic conduit and was electrifying the ground above it so that whenever someone with bare feet would touch the soda machine, the current would flow up through their feet into the frame of the machine which had a lower impedance ground than the immediate area where the short was. Strange but true.......
 
> Given that the current requirements on 48 volt phantom power
> are usually pretty low - just enough to drive one transistor
> - I think there should be a safety system similar to those
> on ESD wrist straps. A series resistor to limit current in
> case of ground fault.

It is very unlikely that phantom power had anything to do with this. It is typically current limited in the mixer or phantom power supply. But of course, anything could happen.

More likely than not, the PA system was not grounded. People are always breaking off the third pin on the AC plug on their equipment to eliminate a ground loop. Odds are that is the problem. I’ll also bet that it was not connected to a GFI circuit, which would certainly be a good idea if the sound system is to be used around water.

In the rock & roll touring world, there have been several electrocutions, and it is not uncommon for artists to complain that "They got a shock off the mic." Usually it turns out to be a problem with their own amplification equipment, not the PA system. Properly installed, a mic should be at ground potential, making a perfect return path for the leakage from their instrument amplifier or guitar. Lots of guitar amps (especially the highly desirable "vintage" amps) use a capacitor from each side of the AC line running to the chassis. When these capacitors leak, it can be deadly.

No one is saying that a guitar amp is involved, but it is possible that the baptismal tub had an electric motor used to re-circulate and filter the water. Many of these things are essentially not much more than hot tubs, like many folks have in their own homes. If there is AC leakage caused by a defect in the motor, the water will actually have a charge on it and the microphone would provide a nice return path to ground. Since a pump motor would be on a fairly hefty AC supply, maybe 20 amp 240 volts, that could certainly kill someone. NEC dictates that any such equipment be GFI protected, but lots of installations pre-date that requirement.

I'm really surprised that anyone would stand in a tub of water with a wired microphone. It is just inviting trouble, even with a well designed system. A wireless mic would be the only way you'd catch me doing that. I might drop the mic in the water and destroy it, but at least, I'd live to tell the story.
 
That was really, really uncalled for.


> In this kind of situation, as a safety matter, it is also
> helpful to not have any buckets nearby the podium or stage,
> so the minister can't "kick the bucket"
>
 
Avoid Electrocution, Use Wireless

GFI is a good rule of thumb around water, but even more effective is Wireless Microphones. They have become cheap enough. There are even decent inexpensive ones readily available. VHF mics have come down drastically in price because UHF mics are all the rage. With Wireless, there is no physical link to any high voltage.

> Ground Fault recepticles are a good safely device to
> have when working with anything around water.
> When working on hot chassis tube equipment, I make use
> of isolation transformers, one for the equipment being on,
> and another for my test gear.
>

I have never seen someone get zapped by a microphone, other than from static. I did witness someone get a bad shock from a live sound console once back in High School. He was OK after a few minutes. There had never been any more problems with the console after that. It was just one of those weird things.
 
> There is also the possibility that the scenario is exactly
> opposite of "the norm", that is for whatever reason the tank
> could have become electrified somehow and the minister
> completed the circuit when he held the grounded mike shell.

That was one of the points of my previous post. I once purchased a home that had a defective hot tub. It had been installed before GFI's became code. The the pump and heater had AC leakage into the water. Luckilly, there was nothing metalic around the tub for a bather to come in contact with, but if you stood on the brick floor (especially if it was damp) you could feel an odd "tingle" when you touched the water.

Luckilly, I discovered this before anyone got hurt. The pump and heater were replaced, and it was properly connected according to code. No more problems.

Of course, none of us know the details of this tragic electrocution, but looking into defective components in and around the baptismal tub is certainly something that any investigation should consider. A properly installed PA system will cause a hard wired microphone to be a great ground return.

It certainly makes a case for using a wireless mic if you have to be around water.
 
> That was really, really uncalled for.
>
>
> > In this kind of situation, as a safety matter, it is also
> > helpful to not have any buckets nearby the podium or
> stage,
> > so the minister can't "kick the bucket"
> >
>
At the time, it was not specified that anyone actually signed on the dotted line for the long term option to buy the farm.

Thank You
 
Re: Avoid Electrocution, Use Wireless

About 15 years ago, in our studio we had a few of those old Ampex reel to reels. They used 120v for the remote control. The engineer had build a home made remote control for it with radio shack switches built into a piece of sheet metal. One time it lost a ground somewhere and if you had your hand on the sheet metal and got a little too close to the mic while you were talking....ZAP...you got nailed. Made for interesting radio though!

> GFI is a good rule of thumb around water, but even more
> effective is Wireless Microphones. They have become cheap
> enough. There are even decent inexpensive ones readily
> available. VHF mics have come down drastically in price
> because UHF mics are all the rage. With Wireless, there is
> no physical link to any high voltage.
>
> > Ground Fault recepticles are a good safely device to
> > have when working with anything around water.
> > When working on hot chassis tube equipment, I make
> use
> > of isolation transformers, one for the equipment being on,
>
> > and another for my test gear.
> >
>
> I have never seen someone get zapped by a microphone, other
> than from static. I did witness someone get a bad shock
> from a live sound console once back in High School. He was
> OK after a few minutes. There had never been any more
> problems with the console after that. It was just one of
> those weird things.
>
 
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