Elvis Duran Gets "Phowned" By Spike TV

[Radaioman]

You sound like just another unprofessional, disgruntled morning guy who got beaten by Elvis' show and so you are lashing out on a radio message board. Sad really that you would try to discredit someone rather than beat them in the ratings or do a better show. There are phone call rules that are different in every state and some shows that take more risks than others.
Just saying that maybe you don't know so much. Besides, do you really need to give a lesson in radio on a professional radio message board? Kraddick's show can't touch Elvis'. I'm guessing yours can't either.

First off I am a fan of morning radio and have been for over 25 years. I have also done mornings for the past 8 years. I'm not jealous or discrediting at all of Elvis just pointing out FACTS. I have no dog in this fight. For the record our show beat Elvis for the 3 years we went against him and it is clear that you have never heard Kidd Kraddick if you really think Elvis is better. My problem is there are people in this business making millions of dollars who have huge teams of people helping them and they NEVER CREATE anything. They use old radio bits that have been used all across the country for years. One reason I will always respect Kidd Kraddick he creates new radio bits/ideas on a weekly basis. While big names like Ryan Seacrest still do war of the roses??? really?? that bit has been FAKE and done since the Rick Dees days. Anyway you get the point. Another FYI The Phone guidelines are FEDERAL which means they are the same for every state and you have to get permission BEFORE you press record on any phone call. As far as some shows taking more risks then others....well those days are over too many publicly owned companies afraid of getting sued.

In what market did YOU beat Elvis' show for 3 years? The ONLY markets he has been on for 3 years or more are NY and Miami and you didn't beat him in either of those places. CERTAINLY not in his demo. Maybe in yours which doesn't count.

 

[Radaioman]

It's my career, but sometimes radio is a turd. "Kidd" Kraddick, and if you look at his picture his hair is grayer than mine... Elvis... when oh when will the industry stop with the dopey names? One wonders why they can't be taken seriously.

I'm an engineer, so I have no dog in any of this as far as morning radio. Did mornings for about 6 months years ago and hated every second of getting up at 3:45am, and going to bed at 9. But one listen to Elvis' tired show, with the same dopey zoo format of the cheesy bits, a guy or two to interject, a laughing girl... how many times can radio go to that same well? Come up with something original! Be yourself and set yourself apart from the "Hawaiian Shirt Friday" crowd. Ugh. Never heard Kraddick, so I can't comment on him specifically.

My beef with morning radio is the same as the one I have with the "late night" shows. ALL are doing Johnny Carson's version of the Tonight Show. This big deal was made about Conan going to TBS, and ya know what? SAME damn show. Same boring format. MONOLOGUE, BITS, GUEST, MUSICAL ACT... MONOLOGUE, BITS, GUEST, MUSICAL ACT... over and over and over. If someone wanted to win the supposed late night war, DO A DIFFERENT SHOW!!!! Same goes for morning radio...

Another not in programming older out of demo guy commenting on what HE thinks works in Top 40 radio but doesn't REALLY listen to the show he is commenting on. The show isn't dopey nor is the interaction I hear, anything close to what you describe. You sound like a "get off my lawn" guy who doesn't like the music "these kids today" listen to. The women on the show do not just laugh. They are bright talented women who are really in tune with their demo. You sound like one of those people who bashes Howard but never listens. Turning ANY show on for 10 minutes does not paint an accurate picture. You are a vegetarian commenting on a Steak.

 

[BabyDJ]

You are a Now FM stooge who doesn't know what you are talking about. Kind of sad.

What's really sad is that you actually think Elvis has talent (at one time he did, there's a YouTube of the 5 minutes he was listenable back in 1992 when you were a fetus).

I'm sure you also stick around for local yokel Ryan Seebreast at 10.

 

[BabyDJ]

Another not in programming older out of demo guy commenting on what HE thinks works in Top 40 radio but doesn't REALLY listen to the show he is commenting on. The show isn't dopey nor is the interaction I hear, anything close to what you describe. You sound like a "get off my lawn" guy who doesn't like the music "these kids today" listen to. The women on the show do not just laugh. They are bright talented women who are really in tune with their demo. You sound like one of those people who bashes Howard but never listens. Turning ANY show on for 10 minutes does not paint an accurate picture. You are a vegetarian commenting on a Steak.

Are you kidding? The show is a train wreck. Elvis has nothing to say except play traffic cop between the half dozen sidekicks. All of the women sound the same and none of them bring anything to the table.

Between that and Seacrest and MoBounce and Shelly Wade, what exactly is special about this station? It's not local 6a-2p and after that you've got some of the most boring, cookie cutter jocks in the industry. There's better talent in Montgomery Alabama.

 

[GooberVision]

Another not in programming older out of demo guy commenting on what HE thinks works in Top 40 radio but doesn't REALLY listen to the show he is commenting on. The show isn't dopey nor is the interaction I hear, anything close to what you describe. You sound like a "get off my lawn" guy who doesn't like the music "these kids today" listen to. The women on the show do not just laugh. They are bright talented women who are really in tune with their demo. You sound like one of those people who bashes Howard but never listens. Turning ANY show on for 10 minutes does not paint an accurate picture. You are a vegetarian commenting on a Steak.

Are you kidding? The show is a train wreck. Elvis has nothing to say except play traffic cop between the half dozen sidekicks. All of the women sound the same and none of them bring anything to the table.

Between that and Seacrest and MoBounce and Shelly Wade, what exactly is special about this station? It's not local 6a-2p and after that you've got some of the most boring, cookie cutter jocks in the industry. There's better talent in Montgomery Alabama.

HAHAHA... yes, Z-100 is doing horrible in ratings. horrible in sales and even worse in attendance of Jingle Ball and the connection they have with the demo... I mean c'mon, look at their horrible ratings. *100% sarcasm*

In fact, everything I just said, Z100 is complete opposite in. And it shows, book after book.. generation after generation. So why are they winning? Are the millions that listen, idiots and the select few radio dorks in here... the smart ones? I think not. You are simply out of the demo. Some like boxed wine, others enjoy a nice bottle. Clearly, boxed wine is more your taste. To each their own

 

[BabyDJ]

HAHAHA... yes, Z-100 is doing horrible in ratings. horrible in sales and even worse in attendance of Jingle Ball and the connection they have with the demo... I mean c'mon, look at their horrible ratings. *100% sarcasm*

In fact, everything I just said, Z100 is complete opposite in. And it shows, book after book.. generation after generation. So why are they winning? Are the millions that listen, idiots and the select few radio dorks in here... the smart ones? I think not. You are simply out of the demo. Some like boxed wine, others enjoy a nice bottle. Clearly, boxed wine is more your taste. To each their own

Actually Z is more like boxes wine... mass produced (Elvis/Seacrest) and cheap (MoBounce etc). Why is it successful? Most likely because of listening habits... and the brand. People still knew what Chevy was in the 80's when they were producing some of the worst cars ever and they Chevy brand kept them afloat when the product was lacking. Same thing here.

It's also why CBS FM still did well ratings wise from 2002-2005 even though the content was crap. Same goes for the likes of LITE FM. You usually have 4 types of stations

Strong brands with bad programming (Z-100, WPLJ, WEPN, WOR, WABC).. these stations usually last because of their heritage, name or dumb luck. Z-100 has been in this catagory for 4-5 years, ESPN should be more local, WOR is a strong brand with bad programming for a decade now, WABC is a shell of what it was in the 1990's.

Weak brands with bad programming (Fresh, Power 105).. these stations have no chance. Power has moved around, Fresh is DOA and a placeholder until WFAN-FM

Weak brands with good programming (RXP, NOW, X96).. these stations need and deserve a chance. RXP is exactly what radio geeks want, a station with a wide playlist and is non-radio like.. yet it gets bashed here. NOW is the obvious better product in a rhythm/dance market with better jocks and presentation, X96 is doing well but still has a way to go to get the recognition of WSKQ. Good part is that since their focus is very specific it's not as hard to do.

Strong brands with good programming (CBS FM, KTU, Q-104, LITE FM, Hot 97, WQXR, WINS, WFAN).. leave them alone.

 

[BabyDJ]

Actually Z is more like boxed wine... mass produced (Elvis/Seacrest) and cheap (MoBounce etc). I mean, unless you think syndicated programming and cookie cutter talent are like fine wine... I wouldn't even call it grape juice... more like grape drink (no actual talent)

Why is it successful? Most likely because of listening habits... and the brand. People still knew what Chevy was in the 80's and bought Chevy when they were producing some of the worst cars ever and the Chevy brand kept them afloat when the product was lacking. Same thing here.

It's also why CBS FM still did well ratings wise from 2002-2005 even though the content was crap. And why Delilah does well, she's on a hertiage AC with a strong brand, yet is the weakest link....

You usually have 4 types of stations

Strong brands with bad programming (Z-100, WPLJ, WEPN, WOR, WABC).. these stations usually last because of their heritage, name or dumb luck. Z-100 has been in this catagory for 4-5 years, ESPN should be more local, WOR is a strong brand with bad programming for a decade now, WABC is a shell of what it was in the 1990's.

Weak brands with bad programming (Fresh, Power 105).. these stations have no chance. Power has moved around, Fresh is DOA and a placeholder until WFAN-FM

Weak brands with good programming (RXP, NOW, X96).. these stations need and deserve a chance. RXP is exactly what radio geeks want, a station with a wide playlist and is non-radio like.. yet it gets bashed here. NOW is the obvious better product in a rhythm/dance market with better jocks and presentation, X96 is doing well but still has a way to go to get the recognition of WSKQ. Good part is that since their focus is very specific it's not as hard to do.

Strong brands with good programming (CBS FM, KTU, Q-104, LITE FM, Hot 97, WQXR, WINS, WFAN).. leave them alone.

 

[lalumia]

when z went alternative in the 90s, the ratings took a major, extended drop, the 'brand' didn't save the day at all...
now that z is back to being the fantabulous Top 40 machine that Scott Shannon first created, it owns the universe again,and the jealous haters will just have to get over it..

 

[TheMusicMan]

I'm not saying Z100 is utterly flawless, because it's not (thanks mostly to Seacrest and slightly weaker imaging), but I'm pretty sure CC is delighted nonetheless with the ratings and revenue this "badly programmed" station is pulling.

To call Mo Bounce or Shelley Wade "cheap" or to imply that they're untalented is ridiculous at best (at least you were wise enough not to throw JJ in there, I'll give you that). To call Now the "obvious better product" is downright laughable. Not only do I vehemently disagree, but the populace of Market #1 evidently does too.

 

[GooberVision]

Actually Z is more like boxed wine... mass produced (Elvis/Seacrest) and cheap (MoBounce etc).  I mean, unless you think syndicated programming and cookie cutter talent are like fine wine... I wouldn't even call it grape juice... more like grape drink (no actual talent)

Why is it successful?   Most likely because of listening habits... and the brand.  People still knew what Chevy was in the 80's and bought Chevy when they were producing some of the worst cars ever and the Chevy brand kept them afloat when the product was lacking.   Same thing here.

It's also why CBS FM still did well ratings wise from 2002-2005 even though the content was crap.  And why Delilah does well, she's on a hertiage AC with a strong brand, yet is the weakest link....

You usually have 4 types of stations

Strong brands with bad programming (Z-100, WPLJ, WEPN, WOR, WABC).. these stations usually last because of their heritage, name or dumb luck.  Z-100 has been in this catagory for 4-5 years, ESPN should be more local, WOR is a strong brand with bad programming for a decade now, WABC is a shell of what it was in the 1990's.

Weak brands with bad programming (Fresh, Power 105).. these stations have no chance.  Power has moved around, Fresh is DOA and a placeholder until WFAN-FM

Weak brands with good programming (RXP, NOW, X96).. these stations need and deserve a chance.  RXP is exactly what radio geeks want, a station with a wide playlist and is non-radio like.. yet it gets bashed here.  NOW is the obvious better product in a rhythm/dance market with better jocks and presentation, X96 is doing well but still has a way to go to get the recognition of WSKQ.  Good part is that since their focus is very specific it's not as hard to do.

Strong brands with good programming (CBS FM, KTU, Q-104, LITE FM, Hot 97, WQXR, WINS, WFAN).. leave them alone.

Bottom line... the listeners have changed with the years... the 12-24 year olds, then, are now in their 40's or higher (Z is doing awesome 25-54) and the teens and young adults are TOP of the block for in NYC. Noone has made this "new" audience, love Z100... these young people don't know what heritage is when they are 17 or 24. But they STILL listen to Z more.  Bottom line is... NOW's cume is near Z cume numbers, but Z continues to still dominate 10 fold over NOW.  If NOW was better... the majority would switch. But they have not, and are not showing signs of people "making the switch". There is a choice in NYC, and the choice is NOT the CBS top 40.

It's in the ratings, it's in the revenue, it's in the facebook friends, and its in the Twitter friends.  Z has the quality AND the quantity, whether you or i like it... or not. Proof is in the pudding.  Written in black and white... and any other choice of pen ink you choose.

Go ahead and make another opinion. Because its just that. Facts are facts. Opinions have a beginning and end... and here is where those end.

 

[mjb1124]

RXP is exactly what radio geeks want, a station with a wide playlist and is non-radio like.. yet it gets bashed here.

Wide playlist? Have you heard the station lately? I hear the same songs day in and day out. And you won't catch them playing any new music, outside of evening specialty features, unless it's a top 10 alternative hit or a new song by an established artist. Also, what do you mean by "non-radio like", and why would "radio geeks" want such a station?

That aside, while there is something to be said for people who can produce their own material, my ultimate concern is that the show is entertaining and well-produced. I mean, people don't criticize a movie just because the actors didn't write all of their lines. I don't care where Elvis and company got their material from, as long as it's good material that's presented well. And I happen to enjoy their show very much. I can't argue with you about Seacrest, but I think that JJ, Mo Bounce, and Shelley Wade do fine jobs. I appreciate their enthusiasm and professionalism. Not everybody has to be a wacky personality like Chunky.

As for Now, I'll grant that the station has improved since it signed on. I'm not big on the music they play, and still don't see why it's necessary to have a station positioned between Z100 and Hot/Power. But for what it is, it's presented well, and their jocks give the ones on Z and other stations a run for their money.

 

[BabyDJ]

when z went alternative in the 90s, the ratings took a major, extended drop, the 'brand' didn't save the day at all...
now that z is back to being the fantabulous Top 40 machine that Scott Shannon first created, it owns the universe again,and the jealous haters will just have to get over it..

Actually, it did. It could have been totally blown up. The only reason it exists today is the brand. It was strong enough even in 1994 to carry it thru. It's a miracle they decided to keep the brand at all.

And I'm sure if Shannon had anything to do with Z, with his pull, you wouldn't have the likes of Seacrest on. It's embarrassing in market #1 to have something like that. You would never have seen that in the Shannon days, but those days, like Z-100's glory days, are long gone. It's going on name only and what's being played between the talent.

 

[BabyDJ]

I'm not saying Z100 is utterly flawless, because it's not (thanks mostly to Seacrest and slightly weaker imaging), but I'm pretty sure CC is delighted nonetheless with the ratings and revenue this "badly programmed" station is pulling.

To call Mo Bounce or Shelley Wade "cheap" or to imply that they're untalented is ridiculous at best (at least you were wise enough not to throw JJ in there, I'll give you that). To call Now the "obvious better product" is downright laughable. Not only do I vehemently disagree, but the populace of Market #1 evidently does too.

The only reason I didn't throw in JJ was because, off the top of my head, I couldn't remember his name. That's how memorable he is.

The "populace" of Market 1 says Delilah is #1. Now, do you think that's good radio for NY? CBS FM was Top 5 in 2003, but was it any good in 2003? CBS was on its way to destroying it for good.

As I said before (which you obviously didn't read), strong BRANDS can be poorly PROGRAMMED. In those cases, usually the station stays at or near the top if the music doesn't get too out of whack. WALK FM on LI is a good example of that. The stations had been gutted by the Aloha fiasco and is a shell of its former self, yet is still #1 with a far inferior product. How many times in KT Mills on every day?

I'm amazed at the fact that the wanabees on here moan and bitch when radio plays the cheap voice track/syndicated card, yet here's a legendary station that could not be more boring or as big a sell out as Z-100 is now. Tom Poleman must have pictures of you guys with sheep you seem so "loyal"

 

[TheMusicMan]

The only reason I didn't throw in JJ was because, off the top of my head, I couldn't remember his name. That's how memorable he is.

Then you're either bluffing, not listening closely enough or are a poor judge of talent, or perhaps some combination of the above. JJ is arguably the best CHR personality in the country.

As I said before (which you obviously didn't read), strong BRANDS can be poorly PROGRAMMED. In those cases, usually the station stays at or near the top if the music doesn't get too out of whack. WALK FM on LI is a good example of that. The stations had been gutted by the Aloha fiasco and is a shell of its former self, yet is still #1 with a far inferior product. How many times in KT Mills on every day?

Just because I disagreed didn't mean I didn't read your comments. Don't be a smartass. You're right that Z100's strong brand recognition buys them a certain amount of leeway. However, why don't you ask Cumulus how that's working out for them in Houston with KRBE vs. CBS' relative upstart Hot 95.7? Why not check the inroads Amp Radio in LA has made against KIIS (granted, of course, that the latter is still winning)? History is littered with brand name stations that have gone by the wayside. It takes good programming to combat competition and remain atop the ratings. Z100 isn't still dominating strictly on the basis of their name.

I'm amazed at the fact that the wanabees on here moan and bitch when radio plays the cheap voice track/syndicated card, yet here's a legendary station that could not be more boring or as big a sell out as Z-100 is now. Tom Poleman must have pictures of you guys with sheep you seem so "loyal"

How original, trotting out the "Poleman must have pictures of you" line and calling us "wannabes." Neither statements have any truth, and I don't think "sheep" would be able to justify their arguments the way me and other posters have, so nice try. I'm an objective bystander with no connection to the New York market whatsoever. Poleman doesn't know me from Adam.

For the record, no, I don't think Z100 is quite as fantastic as they were 5 or 10 years ago, thanks mostly to Seacrest's presence and the diminished energy in the imaging. The airstaff (sans Seacrest) is still excellent, the music is on point (I'd personally prefer a bit more genre balance, but I recognize that it's NYC we're talking about), and the station is promotionally sound. As for Now, they have a few excellent jocks, but also a few stinkers on the airstaff. The imaging is good, and the music is good but skews a bit too rhythmic for my liking. They pose decent competition, but frankly, I don't think they're on Z100's level.

 

[radio220]

I would have to totally agree with all you have said above

In response to the "cookie cutter" comments from others posted here....You seem to forget...these Elvis Duran's and JJ's who are on other CC stations are BASED at Z100...they are live at the Z and do what they do best from their home turf of NYC...this is their flagship station.....granted I agree that CC is ruining radio by having them VT other markets, but while theyre on Z100, it's live and local baby

I honestly don't consider NOW to be a straight up CHR...hello rhythmic? I'd put them between Z and Hot

 

[BabyDJ]

Then you're either bluffing, not listening closely enough or are a poor judge of talent, or perhaps some combination of the above. JJ is arguably the best CHR personality in the country.

I'm not actually... I answered from my blackberry and couldn't remember his name. If you think he's one of the best CHR jocks in the country... wow.

Just because I disagreed didn't mean I didn't read your comments. Don't be a smartass. You're right that Z100's strong brand recognition buys them a certain amount of leeway. However, why don't you ask Cumulus how that's working out for them in Houston with KRBE vs. CBS' relative upstart Hot 95.7? Why not check the inroads Amp Radio in LA has made against KIIS (granted, of course, that the latter is still winning)? History is littered with brand name stations that have gone by the wayside. It takes good programming to combat competition and remain atop the ratings. Z100 isn't still dominating strictly on the basis of their name.

This is now the THIRD time I will say this... and the reason KRBE and KIIS will not be blown up is because of their heritage and brand. C'mon! I'd say that Z-100's domination is 70% brand and 30% content based. If I came into this market with Z-100's programming on an upstart it would be WINS FM by now.

 

[Radaioman]

Another not in programming older out of demo guy commenting on what HE thinks works in Top 40 radio but doesn't REALLY listen to the show he is commenting on. The show isn't dopey nor is the interaction I hear, anything close to what you describe. You sound like a "get off my lawn" guy who doesn't like the music "these kids today" listen to. The women on the show do not just laugh. They are bright talented women who are really in tune with their demo. You sound like one of those people who bashes Howard but never listens. Turning ANY show on for 10 minutes does not paint an accurate picture. You are a vegetarian commenting on a Steak.

Are you kidding? The show is a train wreck. Elvis has nothing to say except play traffic cop between the half dozen sidekicks. All of the women sound the same and none of them bring anything to the table.

Between that and Seacrest and MoBounce and Shelly Wade, what exactly is special about this station? It's not local 6a-2p and after that you've got some of the most boring, cookie cutter jocks in the industry. There's better talent in Montgomery Alabama.

Wow. You are one angry old man. he has 3 sidekicks as you call them. Stick to listening to CBS FM and leave the pop culture to the stations that unlike you, don't think Cousin Brucie is still what radio should sound like grandpa.
Elvis is #1 is many big markets for reasons your Geritol won't let you understand. It's just sad how off base you are and the fact that you can't tell the difference between Danielle and Carolina shows me you don't listen or don't know radio.
Sorry, but they are not bringing back WVNJ.

 

[Radaioman]

I would have to totally agree with all you have said above

In response to the "cookie cutter" comments from others posted here....You seem to forget...these Elvis Duran's and JJ's who are on other CC stations are BASED at Z100...they are live at the Z and do what they do best from their home turf of NYC...this is their flagship station.....granted I agree that CC is ruining radio by having them VT other markets, but while theyre on Z100, it's live and local baby

I honestly don't consider NOW to be a straight up CHR...hello rhythmic? I'd put them between Z and Hot

Elvis' show is not VT in any market. The show is live or delayed in it's entirety.

 

[BabyDJ]

Wow. You are one angry old man. he has 3 sidekicks as you call them. Stick to listening to CBS FM and leave the pop culture to the stations that unlike you, don't think Cousin Brucie is still what radio should sound like grandpa.
Elvis is #1 is many big markets for reasons your Geritol won't let you understand. It's just sad how off base you are and the fact that you can't tell the difference between Danielle and Carolina shows me you don't listen or don't know radio.
Sorry, but they are not bringing back WVNJ.

Nor should they. And 31 is not that old last time I checked. Of course it's probably been a couple of decades since Mr "Connect with the demo" was 31 and you're probably old enough to actually remember when WVNJ was on the air, which means you probably also remember when Z was a good station (HINT: 1983-1991 & 1999-2005)

 

[WNTIRadio]

Another not in programming older out of demo guy commenting on what HE thinks works in Top 40 radio but doesn't REALLY listen to the show he is commenting on. The show isn't dopey nor is the interaction I hear, anything close to what you describe. You sound like a "get off my lawn" guy who doesn't like the music "these kids today" listen to. The women on the show do not just laugh. They are bright talented women who are really in tune with their demo. You sound like one of those people who bashes Howard but never listens. Turning ANY show on for 10 minutes does not paint an accurate picture. You are a vegetarian commenting on a Steak.

Prior to my current incarnation as a contract engineer, I was a PD. And a PD before that. Ops Manager before that, all the while taking care of the engineer duties. So I'm not exactly out of the programming loop.

By the way, I love Howard. Have listened to him since I was 12, and he was a major inspiration to get into radio in the first place. Still listen on Sirius.

Also, I'm 33, so I don't think I'm an "old fart" who tells "these kids" to get off my lawn. So, there goes your assessment of me right out the window.

I'll stick by that the ZOO, is a tired format. I have tuned in for more than 10 minutes, and I heard it all growing up with Scott Shannon on the Z Morning Zoo. Same show, different host. It is dopey, and I'll stand by it.