EMF Buys WKLU - Staff receives notice

[reformed]

Is it true that Mr. Oasis was one of the many south Floridians who lost big money in the Bernie Madoff situation?

Wow... now there's a bit of info that comes outta left field - is this actually something that you've heard or is it just speculation? (Just curious to know if you "wonder" it only because he lives in S. Florida or if you really have a source with this info - no accusation intended.) This could indeed have played into the decision if it were true. There is no doubt that the current status of financial markets mustve taken a bite.

 

[RDO]

http://sradio.tv/live/1831

A radio station in Paris that never plays the same song twice in a given year... for those of us who LOVE this business. World Class. All genre's... All artists...all languges... Amazing. Just a treat, no rhyme or reason to put this under the EMF/WKLU thread.

Crystal

Isn't that the same format that's on 91.9 Zionsville?

 

[Keith Kidd]

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. He made CSN so he does like them that much. No argument from me. Peace sign? If it works for you okay? Rip my shirt off? Nah.

I know Chief, but Jesus told me he listens to Crosby, Stills & Nash. He said he can also get into the Sweet and Canned Heat and all them, but he doesn't like to listen to the crap EMF spews out. He said he suffered on a cross for three days and died and that's the thanks he gets, a bunch of fat, pink faced men that sing like ladies asking for money.

He said you guys are right though, he does love everybody, well except for Scott Sands. He said he has to draw the line somewhere, and he's it.

He was holding me close and whispered all of this in my ear, that's how I know he was telling the truth.

 

[Keith Kidd]

http://sradio.tv/live/1831
A radio station in Paris that never plays the same song twice in a given year... for those of us who LOVE this business. World Class.

So it's a bad thing to play a song more than one time in a year? The Internet is full of these novelty formats, but I can't see this really working all that well on terrestrial radio. The message it sends is wild, I've never heard anyone complain that they liked a song, but if they hear it again this year they're tuning out! This format also leaves the impression that the music they play is bad, and they promise not to play it again for a very, very long time, and that the only reason they played it in the first place was to get it over with.

I especially can't see this working for 80's music. Can you imagine the crap you'd have to eventually endure just to get back to hearing something remotely good? I don't think the deeper cuts from the Flying Lizards would go over too well.

Maybe don't play the same song in a two week period, or a month, but a year? Besides, who can keep track if they are telling the truth? Who's gonna really know if they sneak a tune in they played 8 months ago.

 

[bigtime]

Wow... now there's a bit of info that comes outta left field - is this actually something that you've heard or is it just speculation? (Just curious to know if you "wonder" it only because he lives in S. Florida or if you really have a source with this info - no accusation intended.) This could indeed have played into the decision if it were true. There is no doubt that the current status of financial markets mustve taken a bite.
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Heard this 2nd hand but from an inside source. No way to know how accurate it is.

 

[ChiefEngineer]

Wow... now there's a bit of info that comes outta left field - is this actually something that you've heard or is it just speculation? (Just curious to know if you "wonder" it only because he lives in S. Florida or if you really have a source with this info - no accusation intended.) This could indeed have played into the decision if it were true. There is no doubt that the current status of financial markets mustve taken a bite.

Heard this 2nd hand but from an inside source. No way to know how accurate it is.
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Well the guy before heard his information from Jesus but we have this second hand. Always trust in God all others pay cash.

And no this ISN'T the format on 91.9 in Zionsville. I have heard both and Zionsville is still a lot less listenable. The Paris station doesn't spend half a day on inside jokes... EVERY DAY. And the Paris station doesn't waste power on an FM transmitter when the 2 people listening could lsiten on the internet....

 

[gr8oldies]

That's the issue..people like their favorite songs and will sing along to Billy Joel every day at work, but then we have the contingent who loudly proclaims, "No! No one wants to hear familiar songs! They only want to hear B sides, unknown album cuts and folk artists. they buy CDs, listen to them once and throw them out the car window!!!". That paris station may well have 2 listeners....at least if it has listeners the TSL would probably be 3 minutes.

 

[bigtime]

What do most people listen to on their ipods? Songs they know/like because radio pounded the hell out of them at one time.

 

[Timewarp]

That's the issue..people like their favorite songs and will sing along to Billy Joel every day at work, but then we have the contingent who loudly proclaims, "No! No one wants to hear familiar songs! They only want to hear B sides, unknown album cuts and folk artists. they buy CDs, listen to them once and throw them out the car window!!!". That paris station may well have 2 listeners....at least if it has listeners the TSL would probably be 3 minutes.

Listeners in Paris France are much more sophisticated than Indianapolis or Dayton.
Something that is immensely popular in Europe might not fly here. A programmers job is to know where he is and who his audience is.

As far as B cuts and flip sides, I have always thought if a song never made it 20 years ago, it won't fly today.

Crystal has taste and an open mind. Good for her!

 

[PTBoardOp94]

When I was in Paris, there was a television program that reminded me very much of Today. Zany weather guy and all. Unfortunately, I don't speak French, so I was unable to find out if they were as fluffy as Meredith and Matt.

 

[Keith Kidd]

Listeners in Paris France are much more sophisticated than Indianapolis or Dayton.

Yeah they're real sophisticated, that's why their women have hairy armpits and they eat snails by the plate fulls. No wonder they're so skinny, hell they don't have anything good to eat over there.

I've seen American Internet stations with novelty formats like this as well. It all goes back to that frame of mind thing I was talking about. What intrigues people on the net may not be so intriguing coming out of a clock radio.

You have to be careful hyping your strategy to your audience because they absorb things differently than you do. That's why I have never been a fan of the "and now another hour of commercial free music" bull crap. To you that means you're giving your audience more music in a setting, but to the audience it subconsciously gives the impression that you believe that the commercials you play are a nuisance and a bad thing to hear. I bet the advertiser with the last commercial before that sweep runs is real happy with you too. I feel the same way about the hype of not repeating songs. Don't tell your audience your strategy. That's why it's called a strategy.

This whole conversation gives the impression that music rotation is the big problem with radio today. Trust me, music rotation is a minor problem compared to what's really killing radio, which is lack of entertainment value. People have always wanted to be entertained by radio, and they still do. That hasn't changed. But it's been so long since radio has consistently offered anything unique and entertaining, folks just don't care anymore to turn it on. And this new generation of kids don't even have radio on their minds. It's sad, but it looks like radio is going to die a sad death unless things change.

 

[radioho]

Has anyone done the math on how many songs that would be over 365 days? And as someone pointed out, how do you keep track and know which song has already played. How much cross referencing would you have to do as the year progresses just to make a songlist for the day? The only way to definitely do it is to figure out how many tunes it would take, and have the EVIL computer spit the song out once it hits the air until you're down to one song on New Year's eve.

Otherwise, imagine even with a computer to cross check, and even if you started with A's and went through Z's. The cross checking would be maddening as the months passed.

 

[radioho]

Trust me, music rotation is a minor problem compared to what's really killing radio, which is lack of entertainment value. People have always wanted to be entertained by radio, and they still do.

What about the songs? Radio is about entertainment, sure, but with TV, Videos, and video games - isn't the music really the bottom line for music-based radio? Do you really need someone talking to you - other than talk radio? You make some good points, so I 'm just asking - not knocking your points.

 

[Timewarp]

Listeners in Paris France are much more sophisticated than Indianapolis or Dayton.

Yeah they're real sophisticated, that's why their women have hairy armpits and they eat snails by the plate fulls. No wonder they're so skinny, hell they don't have anything good to eat over there.

I've seen American Internet stations with novelty formats like this as well. It all goes back to that frame of mind thing I was talking about. What intrigues people on the net may not be so intriguing coming out of a clock radio.

You have to be careful hyping your strategy to your audience because they absorb things differently than you do. That's why I have never been a fan of the "and now another hour of commercial free music" bull crap. To you that means you're giving your audience more music in a setting, but to the audience it subconsciously gives the impression that you believe that the commercials you play are a nuisance and a bad thing to hear. I bet the advertiser with the last commercial before that sweep runs is real happy with you too. I feel the same way about the hype of not repeating songs. Don't tell your audience your strategy. That's why it's called a strategy.

This whole conversation gives the impression that music rotation is the big problem with radio today. Trust me, music rotation is a minor problem compared to what's really killing radio, which is lack of entertainment value. People have always wanted to be entertained by radio, and they still do. That hasn't changed. But it's been so long since radio has consistently offered anything unique and entertaining, folks just don't care anymore to turn it on. And this new generation of kids don't even have radio on their minds. It's sad, but it looks like radio is going to die a sad death unless things change.

We once had owners and programers who were willing to risk failing in
order to succeed. They took a chance. Some had bright ideas and went
big time. Sometimes we have to take a gamble.

If you want to make a song popular, you must play it over and over. That
way people are familiar with the song. DJ's once made songs hits this way.

 

[gr8oldies]

Then what if you bump songs as you get to the next hour?

Has anyone done the math on how many songs that would be over 365 days? And as someone pointed out, how do you keep track and know which song has already played. How much cross referencing would you have to do as the year progresses just to make a songlist for the day? The only way to definitely do it is to figure out how many tunes it would take, and have the EVIL computer spit the song out once it hits the air until you're down to one song on New Year's eve.

Otherwise, imagine even with a computer to cross check, and even if you started with A's and went through Z's. The cross checking would be maddening as the months passed.

 

[Keith Kidd]

What about the songs? Radio is about entertainment, sure, but with TV, Videos, and video games - isn't the music really the bottom line for music-based radio? Do you really need someone talking to you - other than talk radio? You make some good points, so I 'm just asking - not knocking your points.

It is certainly the flour that makes the cake radioho, no doubt. The songs are important. I'm not saying that people don't listen to radio for music. Music is part of the experience, you gotta have the music. What I am saying is that the listener wants to go on a different journey with the music as apposed to when they are inside of their own heads listening to their ipods and CD players. Radio was never meant to be one dimensional and the public has never viewed it as such, even if they don't realize that. Big daddy in a suit wants the public to view it that way though. They sell it that way and it's cheaper if they can convince people to absorb it that way because then they can soak it up, cash in on it without all of the hassle of indisposable talent and creativity. But It will never work out that way.

The ass holes that sterilized radio thought for sure they could change the listening patterns of the public and eventually create a whole new "why" people listen so that it can be cost effective enough to line their fat pockets. As hard as they are trying though, why people listen is not changing. People are tuning out. Therein lies the problem and therein lies the controversy.

As far as Oasis goes, he played by the one page playbook the corporations wrote out for themselves. He may have been "ma and pa", but he did it just like they do it. Look where that gets ya.

 

[radioho]

People are tuning out. Therein lies the problem and therein lies the controversy.

By all accounts, AM/FM radio listenership increased from 2007 thru 2009, and continues to stay strong, despite what we might think. However, ad revenues took a HUGE nose-dive.

As far as Oasis goes, he played by the one page playbook the corporations wrote out for themselves. He may have been "ma and pa", but he did it just like they do it. Look where that gets ya.

Makes you scratch your head doesn't it! What in the world was he thinking?

 

[Keith Kidd]

By all accounts, AM/FM radio listenership increased from 2007 thru 2009, and continues to stay strong, despite what we might think. However, ad revenues took a HUGE nose-dive.

You believe that? I don't. Most research these days is bent to justify its own means and to justify what stations already want to do.... not to qualify or disqualify ideas that they aren't doing, and certainly not to tell the truth about how radio is really doing and how many are listening. The fact that sales are plummeting should attest to the reality of the situation.

And on a personal level, do you see anyone listening to the radio anymore? I don't. I have my windows down in my car all of the time and I don't hear anybody listening to the radio. Not on a porch, in a car, in a park, anywhere. Do you?

I remember back in the 80's there was a group of kids here in Muncie that would actually go to the river next to a dam with a huge boom box, one of those enormous ones that takes a crap load of batteries to juice. They would jam to Club Z on a Saturday night. The acoustics were great with the water and the cement. They danced to the mixes for hours. They even put up with the commercials. You see that anymore?

Back in the 70's I saw many a motorcycle jamming with the radio on while cruising down the road. You see that anymore? The only thing I see is a bunch of fragile homeys playing hate beats and rattling my liver and my bladder and making my whole insides clatter. It's not even music, it's hate vibes. I don't hear any rhythm, and it certainly isn't coming from their radios.

You know where I have my receiver? Hooked to my mixer board. I have my monitors hooked to the receiver. Makes a great amp man.

 

[R.D.P.]

Very funny, especially in that forth sentence.

All laughing aside, I know where Mr. Keith is coming from. I live in a community where I'm constantly exposed to "Those Hate Vibes" too. Wish the Police and our City Leaders would crack down on this and put a stop to it. Hearing the same old Cuss words everyday does get old after a while. It's beyond old for me. Personally, I'm sick and tired of it.

We small town people have our share of problems too. Booming Hate Vibes is just one of them. Having a lame radio dial is another. Wish we had more variety on the dial, instead of the same old five or six talking points, trashy music and boredom.

If it wasn't for my CD collection and player(s), I'd be bored in a big way and have nothing to listen to. At least I keep my CD collection fully stocked (When I'm able to.) (Now that's another subject I won't even touch.) and play those songs that have a Positive and Uplifting message to them.

R.D.P. <><

P.S. To the new K-Love station, hope you'll have success once you sign on. I'll be sure to keep you in my Prayers.

 

[radioho]

You believe that? I don't...

I do.

...They danced to the mixes for hours. They even put up with the commercials. You see that anymore?

Perhaps they moved.

Back in the 70's I saw many a motorcycle jamming with the radio on while cruising down the road. You see that anymore?

Yes - just today actually.

The only thing I see is a bunch of fragile homeys playing hate beats and rattling my liver and my bladder and making my whole insides clatter. It's not even music, it's hate vibes. I don't hear any rhythm, and it certainly isn't coming from their radios.

Because you're just not hip homey.

You know where I have my receiver? Hooked to my mixer board. I have my monitors hooked to the receiver. Makes a great amp man.

PUMP UP THE VOLUME - PUMP UP THE VOLUME - Keith the Techno Kidd!