Emmis makes me want to vomit

[eggsdannythomas]

Assuming Mancow leaves for cost cutting, the only change that's gonna happen at Q101 is that they might skew it more towards females (ie: less nineties grunge, add Michelle Branch, Anna Nalick, Rob Thomas) so they can take on the stale WTMX.

Keep in mind WTMX stole alot of Q101's female listeners when the music got harder and Mancow came over. If any changes are to be made, it's getting those listeners back. Already working with the addition of all the early nineties "classic Q".

BTW "The Zone, whether it survives or not, doesn't factor into any of this, it's all about seperating THE LOOP and Q101. You don't need 2 stations playing Alice in Chains, the losers in this will be the Classic Rockers. Watch for KoRn, Linkin Park and Disturbed to start showing op on 97.9 more often.

One more thing, mornings on THE LOOP........."Yeah Baby!"

 

[jaleo23]

Re: ALL HIP HOP

> > 92.3=Urban
> >
> > 96.3=Mostly Hip Hop. Rhythmic CHR.
> >
> > 103.5=Heavy on Hip Hop
> >
> > 107.5=Urban
>
>
> 103.5 is NOT heavy on Hip Hop LOL! They are occasionaly
> throwing that in, and it's mostly Hip Pop. Neither me or
> anyone I know going to stay and listen to rock, pop or
> country to wait for a Hip Hop song.
>
> 107.5 has the urban females on lock. 92.3 is clueless as
> usual. 96.3 (it's a shame) but breaks new music before any
> of them but doesn't care about the Black community since
> that's not their target.
>
>
>
> Emmis does conservative Urbans well... East coast, West
> Coast, and Midwest. The "conservative" North STILL does not
> realize that the young that are growing up are very much
> into SOUTHERN RAP. I'm out on the streets; I KNOW what the
> kids are listening to! And it's CD's with Southern Rap.
>
> 92.3 needs to forget about going after 25-54 Females, stop
> being so corny, and go 18-34. How Jay Alan forgot how to
> run a HIP HOP station is beyond me. Oh yea..... he got
> brainwashed by Elroy for five years.
>
> Morning show... forget about the adults. Go for the TEENS
> AND YOUNG ADULTS, and the parents will follow. Remember the
> "Freshwear student of the week?" on the morning show?
> Remember "The Zone" with Courtney Hicks on Sunday nights?
> Remember "Yo Show?" There was a reason why the station was
> a success. It was DIFFERENT.
>
> Yes, the radio game has changed since eleven years ago.
> Instead of playing Lords of the Underground and EPMD, we can
> now focus on Pimp C, Paul Wall and Tango Red.
>
> The air talent also needs take a field trip to the SOUTH and
> get educated! It's pretty sad when you got DJ's who don't
> know who they are playing. I heard ChiBlizz calling an
> artist "Weebie" when the artist's name was "Webbie." He
> quickly got corrected and made his correction on the air.
> Chicago is CLUELESS when it comes to Southern Rap, and
> THAT'S what's the hottest thing out there right now. A
> Southern Rap station mixed in with Local music IN ROTATION,
> not just on Sunday nights, will definitely eat away at B96's
> #'s PERIOD.
>
> I gotta give props to Pharris though cuz I did see his truck
> out in Itasca the other day advertising Ray Cash..... BUT
> WHY AINT POWER 92 PLAYING IT THEN?!!!?
>
> If Emmis were to do Hip Hop, it would be another
> conservative clone of all four stations that are mentioned
> at the top of the post. It won't work. Emmis would need to
> make it PURE HIP HOP and extremely HEAVY on local music AND
> Southern Rap PERIOD.
>
> But Northern stations do NOT want to play that because they
> are afraid to scare off advertisers with Lil Jon, David
> Banner and 3-6 Mafia. That's why you get salespeople that
> KNOW how to sell the crunk format.
>
> I've been down this road plenty of times before, and so has
> musicloverII. Whether it's right or wrong to pump that
> music into the ears, THATS WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR PERIOD.
>
> -----------
> P.S. Ignoring those lame pop songs such as Holla Back
> girl would be one of the BEST things to do if they would go
> all Hip Hop. That song has absolutely no substance, and its
> POP and should NEVER be played on Urbans!
>

Now, I will debate this you, TJ. I'm a radio consultant that is originally from the South and 107.5 WGCI is alright as it is. IMO, Bad Boy Radio and Teefa & Leroy usually plays enough crunk music that satisfies Chi-town. Now if WGCI takes a note from WPGC 95.5 DC or V-103 Atlanta with their approach to adding Southern rap into their playlist, then they would be able to maintain being #1. However, if they go about like my hometown's urban, 95.7 Jamz (Birmingham) or most southern urbans, you will see that station sunk faster than a rock. Elroy does know his craft pretty damn well just like Jay Stephen, Reggie Rouse, and former V-103 ATL PD Tony Brown. Believe or not, when a station leans more adult and R&B like WGCI and the others urbans like V-103 & WPGC, it will be #1 in its market hands down.
<P ID="signature">______________
If you don't like what I said....Oh hell, oh well. I have bigger fish to fry.</P>

 

[icybluelake]

Re: Q101 should consider hip hop

> > Some name ideas:
> >
> > "Blazin Hip Hop 101-1 Da Joint"
> >
> > "Chicago's Hip Hop, Hot 101"
> >
> > "101 JAMZ, Blazin Hip Hop & R&B"
> >
> > "Wild 101, Chicago's Blazin Hip Hop"
> >
> > "The NEW Sound Of Q101, Pure Hip Hop"
> >
>
> "Ill-Noiz for Illinois, 101 The Beat"
>
> (or for some Chi-town "flava"... "101 Da Beat"
>
> ...Energy 101.1 is still my favorite. Ain't gonna happen
> this time around, though.
>
Ill-Noiz for Illinois... haha.. I LIKE IT

Kinda seems unlikely though.

 

[-TJ-]

Re: ALL HIP HOP

<font color=3333ff>
Jaleo, I appreciate your response.

I've heard from more than one person that 95.7 is the worst in B'ham. I think one reson though, is because 105.9 went to Gospel and 95.7 has no competition. From 97-2001, WGCI did not have any competition til Power 92 became a threat to them. WGCI then changed their imaging and re-evaluated their playlists. Within 6months, WGCI improved 150% since Power 92 signed on back in 2001.

If you want to compare other markets, my best example is KXHT Memphis. This is the little station that could. When you have a Northern-style Hip Hop station sign on with a blowtorch signal, and the little station that has static on your radio dial drop in a few books, then recover....... that says something!

KXHT has tweaked their format in the last year; they have added a few R&B tracks back into rotation, but they are also playing a lot of "throwbacks," but unlike most stations that I've heard........ they are playing Southern throwbacks....and that AGAIN sets them apart from the rest.

Instead of playing "Gangsters Paradise, Regulators and California Love (more advertiser friendly, crossover songs), they are playing Outkast "Playas Ball (94)" Silkk The Shocker "Aint My Fault pt.2" and 504 Boyz "I Can Tell".

St. Louis KATZ-FM beat out the competition partly because they were tailored to their market. They played a lot of local music, which also has more of a Southern swag to it. They also were not afraid to be crunk on the weekends. Not only that, when the rest of the country was spinning 50 Cent 100+ times a week, KATZ's top song was by Marques Houston. Why? Because it was a HOT track. KATZ went against the "usual" and simply won. (Not to mention by the end, the competition didn't give the staff the tools they really needed to give a good fight, and ended up flipping when they got Tom Joyner anyway.)


All I'd ask for is for one station in Chicago to go against the usual. Everyone is so scared to be different these days. But if you are a clone of 2 other stations in the market, why should anyone choose to listen to your station vs. the other ones?

I was shocked to FIRST hear a Chicago song that I've never heard before on WKKV Milwaukee earlier this year. And guess what? I never, not once heard the song on any Chicago radio station. In Huntsville, WEUP played more Chicago Hip Hop in rotation on their station than either WPWX or WGCI. I just don't understand it.

Elroy is very conservative and old school. I even said that he didn't belong running a Urban Mainstream, simply because he always put his personal interests and beliefs into programming the station before Power signed on. Remember the hype when he had folks edit out the THONG in Thong Song? The station is doing fine, especially in their target...and I don't expect them to change any more than they have. Crawford, since they don't even answer to shareholders, can do something different, but again, they are really clueless.

I wish I could purchase three stations in Chicago. One would be for the city of Chicago with local hip hop & r&b plus crunk hip hop, one would be Crawford's "Groove" format, and the other one would be a dance format. Hire a staff that understood their specific formats, and run with it. I'd be a success no problem. Crawford would go back to brokered or sell.

</font>

> Now, I will debate this you, TJ. I'm a radio consultant
> that is originally from the South and 107.5 WGCI is alright
> as it is. IMO, Bad Boy Radio and Teefa & Leroy usually
> plays enough crunk music that satisfies Chi-town. Now if
> WGCI takes a note from WPGC 95.5 DC or V-103 Atlanta with
> their approach to adding Southern rap into their playlist,
> then they would be able to maintain being #1. However, if
> they go about like my hometown's urban, 95.7 Jamz
> (Birmingham) or most southern urbans, you will see that
> station sunk faster than a rock. Elroy does know his craft
> pretty damn well just like Jay Stephen, Reggie Rouse, and
> former V-103 ATL PD Tony Brown. Believe or not, when a
> station leans more adult and R&B like WGCI and the others
> urbans like V-103 & WPGC, it will be #1 in its market hands
> down.
>

 

[jaleo23]

Re: ALL HIP HOP

> Jaleo, I appreciate your response.
>
> I've heard from more than one person that 95.7 is the worst
> in B'ham. I think one reson though, is because 105.9 went
> to Gospel and 95.7 has no competition. From 97-2001, WGCI
> did not have any competition til Power 92 became a threat to
> them. WGCI then changed their imaging and re-evaluated
> their playlists. Within 6months, WGCI improved 150% since
> Power 92 signed on back in 2001.
>
Well, on the Birmingham front there is suppose to be competition for 95.7 Jamz and sister station 98.7 Kiss FM now from WUHT "Hot 107.7", which is on a blowtorch signal. 107.7 also happens to be on the former heritage urban of the market WENN. However, Hot 107.7 is a Hot Urban AC with absolutely no direction what so ever. This weekend case and point, they are playing soft rock and R&B-leaning pop hits from the 80's to now and calling it "Blue-Eyed Soul Weekend". If you go to the Alabama board and do a little search through the archives you'll see how much of joke this station is. I have inside info from a colleague that Cox Broadcasting (the owner of Jamz & Kiss) has plans to double-team that station and literally kill it like they did 105.9. I've already predicted that 107.7 will be a Mainstream Urban by next Spring or summer at the latest, but Citadel Birmingham has lost their minds with this station and its attempts to take on the urbans in Birmingham.

> If you want to compare other markets, my best example is
> KXHT Memphis. This is the little station that could. When
> you have a Northern-style Hip Hop station sign on with a
> blowtorch signal, and the little station that has static on
> your radio dial drop in a few books, then recover.......
> that says something!
>
> KXHT has tweaked their format in the last year; they have
> added a few R&B tracks back into rotation, but they are also
> playing a lot of "throwbacks," but unlike most stations that
> I've heard........ they are playing Southern
> throwbacks....and that AGAIN sets them apart from the rest.
>
> Instead of playing "Gangsters Paradise, Regulators and
> California Love (more advertiser friendly, crossover songs),
> they are playing Outkast "Playas Ball (94)" Silkk The
> Shocker "Aint My Fault pt.2" and 504 Boyz "I Can Tell".
>
> St. Louis KATZ-FM beat out the competition partly because
> they were tailored to their market. They played a lot of
> local music, which also has more of a Southern swag to it.
> They also were not afraid to be crunk on the weekends. Not
> only that, when the rest of the country was spinning 50 Cent
> 100+ times a week, KATZ's top song was by Marques Houston.
> Why? Because it was a HOT track. KATZ went against the
> "usual" and simply won. (Not to mention by the end, the
> competition didn't give the staff the tools they really
> needed to give a good fight, and ended up flipping when they
> got Tom Joyner anyway.)
>
>
> All I'd ask for is for one station in Chicago to go against
> the usual. Everyone is so scared to be different these
> days. But if you are a clone of 2 other stations in the
> market, why should anyone choose to listen to your station
> vs. the other ones?
>
> I was shocked to FIRST hear a Chicago song that I've never
> heard before on WKKV Milwaukee earlier this year. And guess
> what? I never, not once heard the song on any Chicago radio
> station. In Huntsville, WEUP played more Chicago Hip Hop in
> rotation on their station than either WPWX or WGCI. I just
> don't understand it.
>
Many people in my field believe that on the programming front, WEUP is the best urban in the state.

> Elroy is very conservative and old school. I even said that
> he didn't belong running a Urban Mainstream, simply because
> he always put his personal interests and beliefs into
> programming the station before Power signed on. Remember the
> hype when he had folks edit out the THONG in Thong Song?

I remember hearing about that. I was actually laughing at the foolishness that he pulled back in 1999 on WGCI. I guess he was trying to keep the very active religious community from breathing down his neck like they did Vinny Brown in 1993 at WBLS New York with gangsta rap.

> The station is doing fine, especially in their target...and
> I don't expect them to change any more than they have.
> Crawford, since they don't even answer to shareholders, can
> do something different, but again, they are really clueless.
>
>
> I wish I could purchase three stations in Chicago. One
> would be for the city of Chicago with local hip hop & r&b
> plus crunk hip hop, one would be Crawford's "Groove" format,
> and the other one would be a dance format. Hire a staff
> that understood their specific formats, and run with it.
> I'd be a success no problem. Crawford would go back to
> brokered or sell.
>
>
>
> > Now, I will debate this you, TJ. I'm a radio consultant
> > that is originally from the South and 107.5 WGCI is
> alright
> > as it is. IMO, Bad Boy Radio and Teefa & Leroy usually
> > plays enough crunk music that satisfies Chi-town. Now if
> > WGCI takes a note from WPGC 95.5 DC or V-103 Atlanta with
> > their approach to adding Southern rap into their playlist,
>
> > then they would be able to maintain being #1. However, if
>
> > they go about like my hometown's urban, 95.7 Jamz
> > (Birmingham) or most southern urbans, you will see that
> > station sunk faster than a rock. Elroy does know his
> craft
> > pretty damn well just like Jay Stephen, Reggie Rouse, and
> > former V-103 ATL PD Tony Brown. Believe or not, when a
> > station leans more adult and R&B like WGCI and the others
> > urbans like V-103 & WPGC, it will be #1 in its market
> hands
> > down.
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
If you don't like what I said....Oh hell, oh well. I have bigger fish to fry.</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by jaleo23 on 08/13/05 04:05 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[-TJ-]

Re: ALL HIP HOP

<font color=3333ff>I just woke up and your post put a smile on my face. I've loved WEUP..... used to listen to them daily. They were dumb to drop the local morning show and add Russ Parr when Power 93.3 came on. Other than that, WEUP was/is a great station.

Wasn't WGCI so wonderful back then?

And wow, I didn't kow how bad Hot 107.7 was. I thought it might actually be a good thing. Maybe I should go down there and kick their *beep* in gear.

</font>

> > Jaleo, I appreciate your response.
> >
> > I've heard from more than one person that 95.7 is the
> worst
> > in B'ham. I think one reson though, is because 105.9 went
>
> > to Gospel and 95.7 has no competition. From 97-2001, WGCI
>
> > did not have any competition til Power 92 became a threat
> to
> > them. WGCI then changed their imaging and re-evaluated
> > their playlists. Within 6months, WGCI improved 150% since
>
> > Power 92 signed on back in 2001.
> >
> Well, on the Birmingham front there is suppose to be
> competition for 95.7 Jamz and sister station 98.7 Kiss FM
> now from WUHT "Hot 107.7", which is on a blowtorch signal.
> 107.7 also happens to be on the former heritage urban of the
> market WENN. However, Hot 107.7 is a Hot Urban AC with
> absolutely no direction what so ever. This weekend case and
> point, they are playing soft rock and R&B-leaning pop hits
> from the 80's to now and calling it "Blue-Eyed Soul
> Weekend". If you go to the Alabama board and do a little
> search through the archives you'll see how much of joke this
> station is. I have inside info from a colleague that Cox
> Broadcasting (the owner of Jamz & Kiss) has plans to
> double-team that station and literally kill it like they did
> 105.9. I've already predicted that 107.7 will be a
> Mainstream Urban by next Spring or summer at the latest, but
> Citadel Birmingham has lost their minds with this station
> and its attempts to take on the urbans in Birmingham.
>
> > If you want to compare other markets, my best example is
> > KXHT Memphis. This is the little station that could.
> When
> > you have a Northern-style Hip Hop station sign on with a
> > blowtorch signal, and the little station that has static
> on
> > your radio dial drop in a few books, then recover.......
> > that says something!
> >
> > KXHT has tweaked their format in the last year; they have
> > added a few R&B tracks back into rotation, but they are
> also
> > playing a lot of "throwbacks," but unlike most stations
> that
> > I've heard........ they are playing Southern
> > throwbacks....and that AGAIN sets them apart from the
> rest.
> >
> > Instead of playing "Gangsters Paradise, Regulators and
> > California Love (more advertiser friendly, crossover
> songs),
> > they are playing Outkast "Playas Ball (94)" Silkk The
> > Shocker "Aint My Fault pt.2" and 504 Boyz "I Can Tell".
> >
> > St. Louis KATZ-FM beat out the competition partly because
> > they were tailored to their market. They played a lot of
> > local music, which also has more of a Southern swag to it.
>
> > They also were not afraid to be crunk on the weekends.
> Not
> > only that, when the rest of the country was spinning 50
> Cent
> > 100+ times a week, KATZ's top song was by Marques Houston.
>
> > Why? Because it was a HOT track. KATZ went against the
> > "usual" and simply won. (Not to mention by the end, the
> > competition didn't give the staff the tools they really
> > needed to give a good fight, and ended up flipping when
> they
> > got Tom Joyner anyway.)
> >
> >
> > All I'd ask for is for one station in Chicago to go
> against
> > the usual. Everyone is so scared to be different these
> > days. But if you are a clone of 2 other stations in the
> > market, why should anyone choose to listen to your station
>
> > vs. the other ones?
> >
> > I was shocked to FIRST hear a Chicago song that I've never
>
> > heard before on WKKV Milwaukee earlier this year. And
> guess
> > what? I never, not once heard the song on any Chicago
> radio
> > station. In Huntsville, WEUP played more Chicago Hip Hop
> in
> > rotation on their station than either WPWX or WGCI. I
> just
> > don't understand it.
> >
> Many people in my field believe that on the programming
> front, WEUP is the best urban in the state.
>
> > Elroy is very conservative and old school. I even said
> that
> > he didn't belong running a Urban Mainstream, simply
> because
> > he always put his personal interests and beliefs into
> > programming the station before Power signed on. Remember
> the
> > hype when he had folks edit out the THONG in Thong Song?
>
> I remember hearing about that. I was actually laughing at
> the foolishness that he pulled back in 1999 on WGCI. I
> guess he was trying to keep the very active religious
> community from breathing down his neck like they did Vinny
> Brown in 1993 at WBLS New York with gangsta rap.
>
> > The station is doing fine, especially in their
> target...and
> > I don't expect them to change any more than they have.
> > Crawford, since they don't even answer to shareholders,
> can
> > do something different, but again, they are really
> clueless.
> >
> >
> > I wish I could purchase three stations in Chicago. One
> > would be for the city of Chicago with local hip hop & r&b
> > plus crunk hip hop, one would be Crawford's "Groove"
> format,
> > and the other one would be a dance format. Hire a staff
> > that understood their specific formats, and run with it.
> > I'd be a success no problem. Crawford would go back to
> > brokered or sell.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Now, I will debate this you, TJ. I'm a radio consultant
>
> > > that is originally from the South and 107.5 WGCI is
> > alright
> > > as it is. IMO, Bad Boy Radio and Teefa & Leroy usually
> > > plays enough crunk music that satisfies Chi-town. Now
> if
> > > WGCI takes a note from WPGC 95.5 DC or V-103 Atlanta
> with
> > > their approach to adding Southern rap into their
> playlist,
> >
> > > then they would be able to maintain being #1. However,
> if
> >
> > > they go about like my hometown's urban, 95.7 Jamz
> > > (Birmingham) or most southern urbans, you will see that
> > > station sunk faster than a rock. Elroy does know his
> > craft
> > > pretty damn well just like Jay Stephen, Reggie Rouse,
> and
> > > former V-103 ATL PD Tony Brown. Believe or not, when a
> > > station leans more adult and R&B like WGCI and the
> others
> > > urbans like V-103 & WPGC, it will be #1 in its market
> > hands
> > > down.
> > >
> >
>

 

[pumpin]

Re: ALL HIP HOP

> > 92.3=Urban
> >
> > 96.3=Mostly Hip Hop. Rhythmic CHR.
> >
> > 103.5=Heavy on Hip Hop
> >
> > 107.5=Urban
>
>
> 103.5 is NOT heavy on Hip Hop LOL! They are occasionaly
> throwing that in, and it's mostly Hip Pop. Neither me or
> anyone I know going to stay and listen to rock, pop or
> country to wait for a Hip Hop song.
>
> 107.5 has the urban females on lock. 92.3 is clueless as
> usual. 96.3 (it's a shame) but breaks new music before any
> of them but doesn't care about the Black community since
> that's not their target.

>I don't think so much that B96 doesn't care about African-Americans, they are just trying to pull their audience from all segments without focusing on one particular ethnic group.
>
>
> Emmis does conservative Urbans well... East coast, West
> Coast, and Midwest. The "conservative" North STILL does not
> realize that the young that are growing up are very much
> into SOUTHERN RAP. I'm out on the streets; I KNOW what the
> kids are listening to! And it's CD's with Southern Rap.
>Not all areas of the country are heavy into the dirty south rap thing. They play it, but it is not their emphasis. Why would cities like New York, LA or even Chicago for that matter put another scene above their own, they are going to represent themselves first.

> 92.3 needs to forget about going after 25-54 Females, stop
> being so corny, and go 18-34. How Jay Alan forgot how to
> run a HIP HOP station is beyond me. Oh yea..... he got
> brainwashed by Elroy for five years.
>
> Morning show... forget about the adults. Go for the TEENS
> AND YOUNG ADULTS, and the parents will follow. Remember the
> "Freshwear student of the week?" on the morning show?
> Remember "The Zone" with Courtney Hicks on Sunday nights?
> Remember "Yo Show?" There was a reason why the station was
> a success. It was DIFFERENT.
>
> Yes, the radio game has changed since eleven years ago.
> Instead of playing Lords of the Underground and EPMD, we can
> now focus on Pimp C, Paul Wall and Tango Red.
>
> The air talent also needs take a field trip to the SOUTH and
> get educated! It's pretty sad when you got DJ's who don't
> know who they are playing. I heard ChiBlizz calling an
> artist "Weebie" when the artist's name was "Webbie." He
> quickly got corrected and made his correction on the air.

> Chicago is CLUELESS when it comes to Southern Rap,

Southern Rap isn't Chicago's, L.A.'s or New York's forte.

> THAT'S what's the hottest thing out there right now. A
> Southern Rap station mixed in with Local music IN ROTATION,
> not just on Sunday nights, will definitely eat away at B96's
> #'s PERIOD.
>
> I gotta give props to Pharris though cuz I did see his truck
> out in Itasca the other day advertising Ray Cash..... BUT
> WHY AINT POWER 92 PLAYING IT THEN?!!!?
>
> If Emmis were to do Hip Hop, it would be another
> conservative clone of all four stations that are mentioned
> at the top of the post. It won't work. Emmis would need to
> make it PURE HIP HOP and extremely HEAVY on local music AND
> Southern Rap PERIOD.

>I think it would work if Emmis decided to do it, but a lot of current players would bow out of the game if it happened. HOT 101, anyone?

> But Northern stations do NOT want to play that because they
> are afraid to scare off advertisers with Lil Jon, David
> Banner and 3-6 Mafia. That's why you get salespeople that
> KNOW how to sell the crunk format.

>Once again, not all cities are into the 24-7 crunk format.

> I've been down this road plenty of times before, and so has
> musicloverII. Whether it's right or wrong to pump that
> music into the ears, THATS WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR PERIOD.
>
> -----------
> P.S. Ignoring those lame pop songs such as Holla Back
> girl would be one of the BEST things to do if they would go
> all Hip Hop. That song has absolutely no substance, and its
> POP and should NEVER be played on Urbans!
>