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Emmis makes me want to vomit

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Who read the post on Feder? If Q101 would switch to hip hop, it would be the biggest mistake EVER in radio! Why would they go up against powerhouse GCI, or even power 92? Plus by going to hip hop they have to compete with b96 and Kiss as well. I think they need to stick with what they know.

Also, Mancow and Dahl can rule the airwaves? I think people are looking way too much into Dahl. Nobody knows who he is anymore. If he was off the air, nobody would care. He is no longer a powerhouse. Maybe, once upon a time.
 
> If Q101 would switch to hip-hop, it would be the biggest mistake EVER in radio!

FEDER IS WORSE THAN US!!!!!!!!!!!

AT LEAST WHEN WE SPECULATE WE USE EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS OUR THEORY!!!!!

Of course emmis isn't going to flip to hip hop! Country, chill, oldies, polish language, reggaeton, jill...........anything but the oversaturated hip hop!

And with this Mancow thing, it could happen, they could also fire Dahl and go music all day after Mancow. I'm pulling this out of the same place Feder is getting his info -- my ass!

The best thing about all this is how Mancow (ever the carnival barker) is playing up all the free publicity Feder is giving him. If these changes don't happen now, Mancow has a year of speculation from Feder, which will drive the bidding war for him!

Mancow said it best "Radio is like the WWE" even Piper and Hogan made up.
 
> Who read the post on Feder? If Q101 would switch to hip
> hop, it would be the biggest mistake EVER in radio! Why
> would they go up against powerhouse GCI, or even power 92?

Maybe he said that just to get a rise out of everyone?....Going hip-hop would be murder....they might as well just stay with classic alternative. They must have something up their sleeve. Why would they be willing to let cow go so easily? He brings in all their cash....they could build any format around him.....it's craziness.

> Also, Mancow and Dahl can rule the airwaves? I think people
> are looking way too much into Dahl. Nobody knows who he is
> anymore. If he was off the air, nobody would care. He is
> no longer a powerhouse. Maybe, once upon a time.

They know who he is....that is why they listen. Knowing him for so long, people see right through the dead air that makes up most of the show.<P ID="signature">______________
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Stations for sale / trade?

With all of these rumors floating around, I have to wonder if Infinity is planning to spin off a station to Emmis as part of the deal. Could WXRT wind up in the hands of Emmis? Maybe Infinity will buy WKQX and keep Mancow on 101.1. Johnny B and Kev on the Loop.

I know I'm pulling ideas out of my butt, however, there have been completely unexpeceted (sometimes bad) changes that have happend before in Chicago's radio lanscape... Who's to say it won't happen again?



> Who read the post on Feder? If Q101 would switch to hip
> hop, it would be the biggest mistake EVER in radio! Why
> would they go up against powerhouse GCI, or even power 92?
> Plus by going to hip hop they have to compete with b96 and
> Kiss as well. I think they need to stick with what they
> know.
>
> Also, Mancow and Dahl can rule the airwaves? I think people
> are looking way too much into Dahl. Nobody knows who he is
> anymore. If he was off the air, nobody would care. He is
> no longer a powerhouse. Maybe, once upon a time.
>
 
Another imperative radio rule........

99% of the time this applies. NEVER give out your future plans to the competitor. Straight invitation for someone else to flip formats with your idea.

WHY do you think Viacom flipped WJMK so hastily? So no one would beat them to it.

WHY do you think ABC flipped WXCD to WZZN so fast? Not because they "wanted" to. Because they seen WXXY doing well on their flea power, and were beating someone else to the punch. More proof...... they were never true 80's and all forms of 80's faded within a few months.

Emmis, Mancow, Feder are enjoying pure free publicity right now. At this point they are blowing hot air up anyones butts that want to listen to this seriously or want to believe it. Kevin M is also chiming in (smart of him) keeping his name alive.

Class is dismissed. <P ID="signature">______________

"Z"
Music Coordinator/Technical Support</P>
 
Re: Stations for sale / trade?

> With all of these rumors floating around, I have to wonder
> if Infinity is planning to spin off a station to Emmis as
> part of the deal. Could WXRT wind up in the hands of Emmis?
> Maybe Infinity will buy WKQX and keep Mancow on 101.1.
> Johnny B and Kev on the Loop.
>
> I know I'm pulling ideas out of my butt, however, there have
> been completely unexpeceted (sometimes bad) changes that
> have happend before in Chicago's radio lanscape... Who's to
> say it won't happen again?
>
Why would you think Infinity & Emmis might swap WXRT & WKQX? The swap wouldn't make sense. Both stations cover the same area. Also I don't think Emmis would keep WXRT on Belmont Avenue. Question would also be; would Emmis keep WXRT's heritage format? Heritage doesn't seem to matter too much anymore. I don't see WXRT & WKQX being swapped.
 
> Maybe he said that just to get a rise out of
> everyone?....Going hip-hop would be murder....they might as
> well just stay with classic alternative. They must have
> something up their sleeve. Why would they be willing to let
> cow go so easily? He brings in all their cash....they could
> build any format around him.....it's craziness.
>
They do well with hip-hop in New York. If they can program hip-hop well in Chicago, I don't see Emmis beating WGCI, but I could see Power 92 suffering though. I believe Emmis has other plans for Q101.
 
>> They do well with hip-hop in New York. If they can program hip-hop well in Chicago, I don't see Emmis beating WGCI, but I could see Power 92 suffering though. I believe Emmis has other plans for Q101.

Ya know, this is Chicago, not NYC. What works there, might not work here, or in Boise.

The Urban field is saturated here. If Q or anyone programmed a younger leaning Urban, it would:

A) Fail and not affect anyone.

B) Be in the middle of the pack like everyone else would get dragged down.

C) Be #1 but the pie is being split so many ways, and being aimed younger, bill so little, would not be profitable to keep it going.

*Only* scenario that CAN determine a winner from loser, if a new one came to the scene and had a killer morning drive show that would make it irrelavent what the rest of the day looks like. (note: Mancow & Q)

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"Z"
Music Coordinator/Technical Support</P>
 
> >> They do well with hip-hop in New York. If they can
> program hip-hop well in Chicago, I don't see Emmis beating
> WGCI, but I could see Power 92 suffering though. I believe
> Emmis has other plans for Q101.
>
> Ya know, this is Chicago, not NYC. What works there, might
> not work here, or in Boise.
>
> The Urban field is saturated here. If Q or anyone programmed
> a younger leaning Urban, it would:
>
> A) Fail and not affect anyone.
>
> B) Be in the middle of the pack like everyone else would get
> dragged down.
>
> C) Be #1 but the pie is being split so many ways, and being
> aimed younger, bill so little, would not be profitable to
> keep it going.

Q 101 flipping to hip hop doesn't seem that outrageous. If they did, it would probably be the end of Power 92 since they have the lowest rated hip-hop format and the signal is not full market either. If Power 92 is out of the picture, a 3 or 3.5 or maybe even a higher share isn't out of the question as long as the station is programmed properly.
> *Only* scenario that CAN determine a winner from loser, if a
> new one came to the scene and had a killer morning drive
> show that would make it irrelavent what the rest of the day
> looks like. (note: Mancow & Q)
>
 
> Who read the post on Feder? If Q101 would switch to hip
> hop, it would be the biggest mistake EVER in radio! Why
> would they go up against powerhouse GCI, or even power 92?
> Plus by going to hip hop they have to compete with b96 and
> Kiss as well. I think they need to stick with what they
> know.
>
> Also, Mancow and Dahl can rule the airwaves? I think people
> are looking way too much into Dahl. Nobody knows who he is
> anymore. If he was off the air, nobody would care. He is
> no longer a powerhouse. Maybe, once upon a time.
>
He said "It also might raise speculation of Q-101 dropping its alternative rock format in favor of hip-hop"

Around 2003-2004, a number of alternative stations flipped to hip hop like Radio 104 in Hartford.

So thats probably where he is coming from.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > If Q101 would switch to hip-hop, it would be the biggest
> mistake EVER in radio!
>
> FEDER IS WORSE THAN US!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> AT LEAST WHEN WE SPECULATE WE USE EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS OUR
> THEORY!!!!!
>
> Of course emmis isn't going to flip to hip hop! Country,
> chill, oldies, polish language, reggaeton,
> jill...........anything but the oversaturated hip hop!
>
> And with this Mancow thing, it could happen, they could also
> fire Dahl and go music all day after Mancow. I'm pulling
> this out of the same place Feder is getting his info -- my
> ass!
>
> The best thing about all this is how Mancow (ever the
> carnival barker) is playing up all the free publicity Feder
> is giving him. If these changes don't happen now, Mancow
> has a year of speculation from Feder, which will drive the
> bidding war for him!
>
> Mancow said it best "Radio is like the WWE" even Piper and
> Hogan made up.
>
Hip-Hop makes complete sense for Emmis. They couldn't do worse than they are with Alternative - and from a national standpoint, it gives them the format in New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago. Nice for their national business - and a solid brand. Emmis does hip-hop well.
 
Q101 should consider hip hop

> > > If Q101 would switch to hip-hop, it would be the biggest
>
> > mistake EVER in radio!
> >
> > FEDER IS WORSE THAN US!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > AT LEAST WHEN WE SPECULATE WE USE EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS
> OUR
> > THEORY!!!!!
> >
> > Of course emmis isn't going to flip to hip hop! Country,
> > chill, oldies, polish language, reggaeton,
> > jill...........anything but the oversaturated hip hop!
> >
> > And with this Mancow thing, it could happen, they could
> also
> > fire Dahl and go music all day after Mancow. I'm pulling
> > this out of the same place Feder is getting his info -- my
>
> > ass!
> >
> > The best thing about all this is how Mancow (ever the
> > carnival barker) is playing up all the free publicity
> Feder
> > is giving him. If these changes don't happen now, Mancow
> > has a year of speculation from Feder, which will drive the
>
> > bidding war for him!
> >
> > Mancow said it best "Radio is like the WWE" even Piper and
>
> > Hogan made up.
> >
> Hip-Hop makes complete sense for Emmis. They couldn't do
> worse than they are with Alternative - and from a national
> standpoint, it gives them the format in New York, Los
> Angeles, and Chicago. Nice for their national business - and
> a solid brand. Emmis does hip-hop well.
>


I agree 100%. Emmis would give Chicago the young end hip hop station it has long deserved. They would do the format exactly how Power 92 should have been doing it all along. Power 92 would be the station to really suffer if WKQX does go hip hop.

There are those who say hip hop is oversaturated in Chicago. But Chicago doesn't have a pure hip hop station, the urbans play plenty of R&B. Plus the fact that WGCI still pulls the big numbers it does proves there is room for more Urban stations in Chicago. It reminds me of New York, many people were critical of Clear Channel for going hip hop on WWPR, they said "The last thing NY needs is another hip hop station, it will fail miserably". How wrong they were, There was room for WWPR, they have consistently had good ratings since going hip hop.

There are those who say Hip Hop is a tough sell. But look how good Emmis's KPWR bills in LA. They are one of the top billing radio stations in the U.S. If Emmis could build a station that is the Chicago version of Hot 97/NY or Power 106/LA, a station that becomes a major part of the youth culture, advertisers (targeting young) will not be able to ignore them.
 
Re: Q101 should consider hip hop

> > > > If Q101 would switch to hip-hop, it would be the
> biggest
> >
> > > mistake EVER in radio!
> > >
> > > FEDER IS WORSE THAN US!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > AT LEAST WHEN WE SPECULATE WE USE EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS
>
> > OUR
> > > THEORY!!!!!
> > >
> > > Of course emmis isn't going to flip to hip hop!
> Country,
> > > chill, oldies, polish language, reggaeton,
> > > jill...........anything but the oversaturated hip hop!
> > >
> > > And with this Mancow thing, it could happen, they could
> > also
> > > fire Dahl and go music all day after Mancow. I'm
> pulling
> > > this out of the same place Feder is getting his info --
> my
> >
> > > ass!
> > >
> > > The best thing about all this is how Mancow (ever the
> > > carnival barker) is playing up all the free publicity
> > Feder
> > > is giving him. If these changes don't happen now,
> Mancow
> > > has a year of speculation from Feder, which will drive
> the
> >
> > > bidding war for him!
> > >
> > > Mancow said it best "Radio is like the WWE" even Piper
> and
> >
> > > Hogan made up.
> > >
> > Hip-Hop makes complete sense for Emmis. They couldn't do
> > worse than they are with Alternative - and from a national
>
> > standpoint, it gives them the format in New York, Los
> > Angeles, and Chicago. Nice for their national business -
> and
> > a solid brand. Emmis does hip-hop well.
> >
>
>
> I agree 100%. Emmis would give Chicago the young end hip hop
> station it has long deserved. They would do the format
> exactly how Power 92 should have been doing it all along.
> Power 92 would be the station to really suffer if WKQX does
> go hip hop.
>
> There are those who say hip hop is oversaturated in Chicago.
> But Chicago doesn't have a pure hip hop station, the urbans
> play plenty of R&B. Plus the fact that WGCI still pulls the
> big numbers it does proves there is room for more Urban
> stations in Chicago. It reminds me of New York, many people
> were critical of Clear Channel for going hip hop on WWPR,
> they said "The last thing NY needs is another hip hop
> station, it will fail miserably". How wrong they were, There
> was room for WWPR, they have consistently had good ratings
> since going hip hop.
>
> There are those who say Hip Hop is a tough sell. But look
> how good Emmis's KPWR bills in LA. They are one of the top
> billing radio stations in the U.S. If Emmis could build a
> station that is the Chicago version of Hot 97/NY or Power
> 106/LA, a station that becomes a major part of the youth
> culture, advertisers (targeting young) will not be able to
> ignore them.
>

92.3=Urban

96.3=Mostly Hip Hop. Rhythmic CHR.

103.5=Heavy on Hip Hop

107.5=Urban

we're set

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Re: Q101 should consider hip hop

How can u say that.. I can tell you dont listen to hiphop stations... Wgci plays more R&B then hip-hop.. B96 only plays hip-hop songs that are on the top 40 no underground.. Kiss the same way.. Power92 Just dont have any idea what they want to do... Now chicago does have too many Rock station almost every other station plays some form of ROCK!!! But thats another subject...

> 92.3=Urban
>
> 96.3=Mostly Hip Hop. Rhythmic CHR.
>
> 103.5=Heavy on Hip Hop
>
> 107.5=Urban
>
> we're set
>
 
Re: Q101 should consider hip hop

> How can u say that.. I can tell you dont listen to hiphop
> stations... Wgci plays more R&B then hip-hop.. B96 only
> plays hip-hop songs that are on the top 40 no underground..
> Kiss the same way.. Power92 Just dont have any idea what
> they want to do... Now chicago does have too many Rock
> station almost every other station plays some form of
> ROCK!!! But thats another subject...
>
> > 92.3=Urban
> >
> > 96.3=Mostly Hip Hop. Rhythmic CHR.
> >
> > 103.5=Heavy on Hip Hop
> >
> > 107.5=Urban
> >
> > we're set
> >
>
If you think about it, 96.3 is targeting the Latin population the most along with the suburban white population. 103.5 is in a rut because CHR/Pop as a whole is in a rut. Plus CC isn't going to want to make Kiss FM a success at the expense of WGCI, so Kiss FM won't be a true hip-hop station. I don't see anything wrong with Emmis giving it a try. As I said before, WGCI will still be #1, but programmed right, they can make Power 92 suffer ratings wise. Crawford does best with brokered programming and I believe they should stick to that.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by dave73 on 08/12/05 01:23 AM.</FONT></P>
 
ALL HIP HOP

> 92.3=Urban
>
> 96.3=Mostly Hip Hop. Rhythmic CHR.
>
> 103.5=Heavy on Hip Hop
>
> 107.5=Urban
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103.5 is NOT heavy on Hip Hop LOL! They are occasionaly throwing that in, and it's mostly Hip Pop. Neither me or anyone I know going to stay and listen to rock, pop or country to wait for a Hip Hop song.

107.5 has the urban females on lock. 92.3 is clueless as usual. 96.3 (it's a shame) but breaks new music before any of them but doesn't care about the Black community since that's not their target.



Emmis does conservative Urbans well... East coast, West Coast, and Midwest. The "conservative" North STILL does not realize that the young that are growing up are very much into SOUTHERN RAP. I'm out on the streets; I KNOW what the kids are listening to! And it's CD's with Southern Rap.

92.3 needs to forget about going after 25-54 Females, stop being so corny, and go 18-34. How Jay Alan forgot how to run a HIP HOP station is beyond me. Oh yea..... he got brainwashed by Elroy for five years.

Morning show... forget about the adults. Go for the TEENS AND YOUNG ADULTS, and the parents will follow. Remember the "Freshwear student of the week?" on the morning show? Remember "The Zone" with Courtney Hicks on Sunday nights? Remember "Yo Show?" There was a reason why the station was a success. It was DIFFERENT.

Yes, the radio game has changed since eleven years ago. Instead of playing Lords of the Underground and EPMD, we can now focus on Pimp C, Paul Wall and Tango Red.

The air talent also needs take a field trip to the SOUTH and get educated! It's pretty sad when you got DJ's who don't know who they are playing. I heard ChiBlizz calling an artist "Weebie" when the artist's name was "Webbie." He quickly got corrected and made his correction on the air. Chicago is CLUELESS when it comes to Southern Rap, and THAT'S what's the hottest thing out there right now. A Southern Rap station mixed in with Local music IN ROTATION, not just on Sunday nights, will definitely eat away at B96's #'s PERIOD.

I gotta give props to Pharris though cuz I did see his truck out in Itasca the other day advertising Ray Cash..... BUT WHY AINT POWER 92 PLAYING IT THEN?!!!?

If Emmis were to do Hip Hop, it would be another conservative clone of all four stations that are mentioned at the top of the post. It won't work. Emmis would need to make it PURE HIP HOP and extremely HEAVY on local music AND Southern Rap PERIOD.

But Northern stations do NOT want to play that because they are afraid to scare off advertisers with Lil Jon, David Banner and 3-6 Mafia. That's why you get salespeople that KNOW how to sell the crunk format.

I've been down this road plenty of times before, and so has musicloverII. Whether it's right or wrong to pump that music into the ears, THATS WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR PERIOD.

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P.S. Ignoring those lame pop songs such as Holla Back girl would be one of the BEST things to do if they would go all Hip Hop. That song has absolutely no substance, and its POP and should NEVER be played on Urbans!
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Re: Q101 should consider hip hop

> > How can u say that.. I can tell you dont listen to hiphop
> > stations... Wgci plays more R&B then hip-hop.. B96 only
> > plays hip-hop songs that are on the top 40 no
> underground..
> > Kiss the same way.. Power92 Just dont have any idea what
> > they want to do... Now chicago does have too many Rock
> > station almost every other station plays some form of
> > ROCK!!! But thats another subject...
> >
> > > 92.3=Urban
> > >
> > > 96.3=Mostly Hip Hop. Rhythmic CHR.
> > >
> > > 103.5=Heavy on Hip Hop
> > >
> > > 107.5=Urban
> > >
> > > we're set
> > >
> >
> If you think about it, 96.3 is targeting the Latin
> population the most along with the suburban white
> population. 103.5 is in a rut because CHR/Pop as a whole is
> in a rut. Plus CC isn't going to want to make Kiss FM a
> success at the expense of WGCI, so Kiss FM won't be a true
> hip-hop station. I don't see anything wrong with Emmis
> giving it a try. As I said before, WGCI will still be #1,
> but programmed right, they can make Power 92 suffer ratings
> wise. Crawford does best with brokered programming and I
> believe they should stick to that.
>
Ok then. Even though we do have a lot of stations with hip hopish music, I guess Truth Communications could give PURE hip hop a try. With the current ratings they really don't have much to loose. And after Mancow goes, ouch.

Some name ideas:

"Blazin Hip Hop 101-1 Da Joint"

"Chicago's Hip Hop, Hot 101"

"101 JAMZ, Blazin Hip Hop & R&B"

"Wild 101, Chicago's Blazin Hip Hop"

"The NEW Sound Of Q101, Pure Hip Hop"

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Re: Q101 should consider hip hop

It reminds me of New York, many people
> were critical of Clear Channel for going hip hop on WWPR,
> they said "The last thing NY needs is another hip hop
> station, it will fail miserably". How wrong they were, There
> was room for WWPR, they have consistently had good ratings
> since going hip hop.

WWPR is a contemporary Urban leaning Hip Hop.

They are hip hop enough to share the pie and swap listeners with Hot.<P ID="signature">______________

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Music Coordinator/Technical Support</P>
 
Re: Q101 should consider hip hop

> Some name ideas:
>
> "Blazin Hip Hop 101-1 Da Joint"
>
> "Chicago's Hip Hop, Hot 101"
>
> "101 JAMZ, Blazin Hip Hop & R&B"
>
> "Wild 101, Chicago's Blazin Hip Hop"
>
> "The NEW Sound Of Q101, Pure Hip Hop"
>

"Ill-Noiz for Illinois, 101 The Beat"

(or for some Chi-town "flava"... "101 Da Beat"

...Energy 101.1 is still my favorite. Ain't gonna happen this time around, though.
 
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