End of P&K????

[Orphanedcowboy]

Wow... I wonder if AKASHAMAN is either P or K?

Also Known As: SHAMAN

They'll put some bad juju on you ;D

Shamanism refers to a range of traditional beliefs and practices concerned with communication with the spirit world. Practitioners of shamanism are known as shamans. There are many variations of shamanism throughout the world, though there are some beliefs that are shared by all forms of shamanism:

* That spirits can play important roles in human lives.
* The shaman can control and/or cooperate with the spirits for the community's benefit.
* The spirits can be either good or bad.
* Shamans engage various processes and techniques to incite trance; such as: singing, dancing, taking entheogens, meditating and drumming.
* Animals play an important role, acting as omens and message-bearers, as well as representations of animal spirit guides.
* The shaman's spirit leaves the body and enters into the supernatural world during certain tasks.
* The shamans can treat illnesses or sickness; they are healers.

Shamans have the ability to diagnose and cure human suffering and, in some societies, the ability to cause suffering. This is believed to be accomplished by traversing the axis mundi and forming a special relationship with, or gaining control over, spirits. Shamans have been credited with the ability to control the weather, divination, the interpretation of dreams, astral projection, and traveling to upper and lower worlds. Shamanistic traditions have existed throughout the world since prehistoric times.

Some anthropologists[who?] and religious scholars[who?] define a shaman as an intermediary between the natural and spiritual world, who travels between worlds in a state of trance.[citations needed] Once in the spirit world, the shaman would commune with the spirits for assistance in healing, hunting or weather management. Ripinsky-Naxon describes shamans as, “People who have a strong interest in their surrounding environment and the society of which they are a part.”

Other anthropologists[who?] critique the term "shamanism", arguing that it is a culturally specific word and institution and that by expanding it to fit any healer from any traditional society it produces a false unity between these cultures and creates a false idea of an initial human religion pre-dating all others. However, some others[who?] say that these anthropologists[who?] simply fail to recognize the commonalities between otherwise diverse traditional societies.

Shamanism is based on the premise that the visible world is pervaded by invisible forces or spirits that affect the lives of the living. In contrast to animism and animatism, which any and usually all members of a society practice, shamanism requires specialized knowledge or abilities. It could be said that shamans are the experts employed by animists and animist communities. Shamans are often organized into full-time ritual or spiritual associations, like priests. In Indian culture as well there are those who are called tantrics and are said to have the power to control spirits and force them to do their bidding. People often visit them for many reasons but most often it is to ensure the spirit's aid in their work or to curse someone who they feel is an enemy of theirs or opposes them.

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[fredthehead]

Lumpy

It was a very long time ago, they hadn't been on mid-days very long. I think the guys name was Dave and he was Pugs roomate while Dave was separated form his wife, Kelly hadn't divorced her husband yet so when she dumped this guy he was going to put the pics online, so she filed legal papers and got it stopped, so he posted the legal papers online instead. This guy was also the web master at the time, and this situation is what caused the domain name change from pugsandkelly.com to pugsandkellylive.com.

 

[PandK_71]

Lumpy

It was a very long time ago, they hadn't been on mid-days very long. I think the guys name was Dave and he was Pugs roomate while Dave was separated form his wife, Kelly hadn't divorced her husband yet so when she dumped this guy he was going to put the pics online, so she filed legal papers and got it stopped, so he posted the legal papers online instead. This guy was also the web master at the time, and this situation is what caused the domain name change from pugsandkelly.com to pugsandkellylive.com.

As a time reference, I think that the guy, "Dave" was also a photographer who also took those pictures of Kelly so she could enter the Women of Radio for Playboy. I remember when all this unfolded, he posted a message on the web site that basicly said he had been led on by this Jezebel.

Also, Kelly was rejected by Playboy and finally the DFW listeners had their wish answered-P&K get fired.

Now, does this constitute as "Sue Happy", I think so.

Party on dudes.

 

[akashaman]

orphaned-cowboy knows whats up... good observation , i see some people can read between the lines.
as far as PandK_71 , what are you , some jaded x fan ? ; or some pre-nuclear panda bear with mutant opposable thumbs who has taught itself how to type ?
i think your the one who sue - happy. i am sure if anyone got sued , they got sued first & are just defending thier own personal rights , doh.

all i am saying is there is always more than meets the eye , in any given situation.
i just know the true story behind this escapade is full of people sh*&TT%& all over the constitution.

your not going crazy , everything`s changing.

just wait.

akashaman also contains the word "akasha"

 

[LumpyF]

How in the world did this go from a mid-day show being fired to a Constitutional issue? That is a bit of a jump. If the FCC were explicitly involved, then you may have a case. As it looks right now, they got the ax due to ratings. An, possibly the actions of a few disgruntled pre-nuclear panda bears.

 

[Albert19X]

So we have only one actual case of them suing a radio station; a case with enough apparent merit that they were given a mid-day show in a major market by the defendants. And, if you believe some posts, the settlement was in force for seven years. Does that sound like the usual greenmail most corporations pay for frivolous lawsuits?

And we have a case of Kelly obtaining a restraining order against a bitter boyfriend posting personal (wink, wink ) pictures on the web. Would that make your sister "sue happy" in a similar situation? Hell, if it had been me I'd do the same thing.

I think we can pretty much dispose of the allegation that P&K are sue happy. But it makes one wonder. If a pair of hosts supposedly as talentless as P&K can get the mid-day slot through a frivolous lawsuit what sort of monster legal action did BDH mount to get the gig?

 

[Albert19X]

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As a time reference, I think that the guy, "Dave" was also a photographer who also took those pictures of Kelly so she could enter the Women of Radio for Playboy. I remember when all this unfolded, he posted a message on the web site that basicly said he had been led on by this Jezebel.

Also, Kelly was rejected by Playboy and finally the DFW listeners had their wish answered-P&K get fired.

Now, does this constitute as "Sue Happy", I think so.

Dave? Is that you? 'Cause that would explain a lot.

 

[thickape]

Gavin seems to be too much of an orchestrator and planner to have things go this sloppily. BDH is so great that you rebroadcast him? No. Look on the Live1053 homepage. Right now, 2:15 in the afternoon, "Live 105.3 Programming" is on the air. Doesn't feel like much of a commitment to me. When Liz Wilde was axed, Gavin had Leykis to put into that slot the same day. This is what goes through my mind:

When was the last P & K show? End of June. End of Quarter 2. Suggests a business decision, maybe from above Gavin.
It has already been mentioned that Pugs and Kelly are no stranger to litigation. In progress or in prep lawsuits might explain why all the station personalities are silent on the subject. Gloating on this topic could fill 2 weeks worth of Russ Martin Shows and I haven't heard about him doing that.
I've never seen hosts as young and unestablished as they were who insisted on as much time off as they did.
FCC violation? No way. Pugs and Kelly are dickless money grubbers who never would have thought of risking FCC intervention.

I remember the day they hired Jagger before they got rid of O and A. P and K thought they were getting the ax, or at least that was the bit. They were loose and having fun and actually edgy and good. I listened to pretty close to the whole show. All too rare an occurance. When ever I listened to them it nearly always sounded to me like they were at work.

I will not miss Pugs & Kommercials. I will not miss Pugs regular butchering of the English language.

P & K do have talent, but they don't demonstrate desire or discipline.

 

[Albert19X]

I actually caught only the last 3 or 4 minutes of their last show. The squirrel bit sounded hilarious and I was hoping to catch it again during "best of". Not much chance of that happening now. Is it online anywhere?

 

[LumpyF]

What is the "squirrel bit" and why would it get them in trouble?

 

[akashaman]

the squirrel bit is from thier last airing show !
this email is supposedly from kelly :

**********

"Well, it looks like we have done our last show on Live1053. Our last segment was unveiling our governments covert attempt to train squirrels to infiltrate subversive activities. Coincidence?

We hope there is a station that isn't afraid to expose this animal abuse. Cliche, but...stay tuned. Or just check out the website."


aka`

 

[slikchik]

I enjoyed the pugs and kelly show because they were "realistic" - not people always acting goofy or crazy for ratings. They are people that I can relate to and I think many others feel the same!

I guess there are just a lot of haters on here - My mama told me "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"

Thanks

 

[little1]

not people always acting goofy or crazy for ratings.

Of course if they'd acted goofy or crazy for ratings, there's the possibility that they would have GOTTEN ratings, and they'd still have a job.

Because that's what this all comes down to. Okay, write off 12+ ratings. Maybe don't put a lot of stock in Adult 25-54 ratings. But when you can't get top 10 men 18+, Men 25-34 or Men 25-54, you're just not doing what the station hired you to do.

Again, this is all IIRC because it's been a while since I looked it up, but when you're not only getting beaten by one sports station, but you're getting beaten by BOTH KTCK and KESN, you're not doing well. When you're getting beat by not just one rock station, but 2 or 3, it's defacto prove that you're just not that interesting to the vast majority of listeners.

 

[jasonzbtzl]

How did they compare to stations in the same format??? During the same time slot. Is it realistic to compare them to a rock or music only station???

 

[jeffdfw]

What a station... Now they are running "best of" Russ Martin. : The end is near!

 

[little1]

How did they compare to stations in the same format??? During the same time slot. Is it realistic to compare them to a rock or music only station???

We don't have anybody with the 'same' format to compare them to. The closest is probably KTCK, and hold on, if I'm reading this right, middays on KTCK were 3rd Men 25-54, i don't see KLLI and P&K in the top 10.

And since M25-54 is both stations key demo, that's a problem. They might have been doing better in one of the smaller cells (M18-24, 25-34, etc) but I don't think so...

And as far as what station it's 'realistic' to compare them to, let me say this. All stations compete, (even if they have completely different target markets) to entertain the listeners. Some stations compete by playing music, some by talking sports, some by talking about their batmobile, etc. And it doesn't matter if stations are playing rock, country, classical, or rap, we're all still competing to get the most listeners we can.

And that's where KLLI is having problems. Like I said, If I remember correctly they were 18th 12+ in the last ratings. Considering there's only about 25 (if that) decent signals in the market, we can look at their ratings and say not only are they getting beaten by a couple of hispanic stations, 3 or 4 urban stations, 2 sports stations, a couple of talk stations and half a dozen music stations, but the only stations they're beating are ones with extremely limited format appeal or weak signals that don't cover the whole metroplex...They must be so proud of that...

 

[Dndsh237]

Lawsuit-happy is not based on numbers. It is an attitude. We're living in a lawsuit-happy society, because of the high rate of frivolous lawsuits.

Certainly. So, when people on this board are referring to "lawsuit happy" or any derivation of the term, it is a comment on society at large, not meant for just P&K. Good to know. Glad we got past that.

That is half right, except people as individuals can be defined as lawsuit-happy. Again it's not a number, it's all about willingness and attitude.

 

[Dndsh237]

How in the world did this go from a mid-day show being fired to a Constitutional issue? That is a bit of a jump. If the FCC were explicitly involved, then you may have a case. As it looks right now, they got the ax due to ratings. An, possibly the actions of a few disgruntled pre-nuclear panda bears.

ROFL!!!!!! ;D

 

[northernlights]

The squirrel bit was silly but funny. I heard the whole thing and there was nothing they could have said that would have brought the FCC down on them.

On a side note, I come to this forum, because I like P&K, and I figure when an announcement is made about what happened, it will pop up here. I don't understand the constant bashing of something you don't like. If you don't like something, why waste your time talking about it? I don't like communism, but I am not going to go to a message board and talk about it. Whether you liked them or not, two people are now out of jobs and unless they personally did something to you, no one should be happy about that.

 

[WhiplashChick]

The squirrel bit was silly but funny. I heard the whole thing and there was nothing they could have said that would have brought the FCC down on them.

On a side note, I come to this forum, because I like P&K, and I figure when an announcement is made about what happened, it will pop up here. I don't understand the constant bashing of something you don't like. If you don't like something, why waste your time talking about it? I don't like communism, but I am not going to go to a message board and talk about it. Whether you liked them or not, two people are now out of jobs and unless they personally did something to you, no one should be happy about that.

that kind of logic and rational doesn't exist on internet forums. but, i agree with you.