M
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They are dropping like flys... Well I hope cidc will get it danced up abit again, every since Kiss signed on the dance has decreased.
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Top 40 will be the new "dance" stations disguised as chr's.
get ready....
There will be a slight increase over time until one day people will notice an unusual amount of dance style hits and quite a few dance leaning chr's claiming to be hit music or something else.
By the looks of things, it may eventually probably all be labeled under pop.... then as the dance beat sound begins to catch on, someone will think to do an urban/rhythmic dance format, and when successful, more dance leaning formats will begin to pop up.
Since all the "old" formats are dying away, there will be no "standard dance formula" to follow, therefore, people may be open to coming up with new ideas for a new styled dance format that will actually work and catch people's attention.
In the long run, it's probably a good thing that those old dance formats have all cleared out before 2010. Many stations just follow other stations with similar formats, but at least with dance, now there are no "typical dance format" rules that everyone believes they have to follow.
get ready....
There will be a slight increase over time until one day people will notice an unusual amount of dance style hits and quite a few dance leaning chr's claiming to be hit music or something else.
By the looks of things, it may eventually probably all be labeled under pop.... then as the dance beat sound begins to catch on, someone will think to do an urban/rhythmic dance format, and when successful, more dance leaning formats will begin to pop up.
Since all the "old" formats are dying away, there will be no "standard dance formula" to follow, therefore, people may be open to coming up with new ideas for a new styled dance format that will actually work and catch people's attention.
In the long run, it's probably a good thing that those old dance formats have all cleared out before 2010. Many stations just follow other stations with similar formats, but at least with dance, now there are no "typical dance format" rules that everyone believes they have to follow.
I'm talking about something a bit different from that. I can't describe it, but when it happens, I'll be sure to point it out and say "this is what I meant".
Last time I listened to Party 105, they only played a lot of dance in the mix. While the Party 105 format is one that I think would do well, I believe there's also a way to do a dance format and get by with playing more dance hits than Party 105 is currently playing regularly.
As far as Toronto, I'm not really worried about them at the moment......
Last time I listened to Party 105, they only played a lot of dance in the mix. While the Party 105 format is one that I think would do well, I believe there's also a way to do a dance format and get by with playing more dance hits than Party 105 is currently playing regularly.
As far as Toronto, I'm not really worried about them at the moment......
M
Mid West Clubber
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but a Party 105 format is probably going to be the last to go.... vic is very smart, he knows what he is doing,,, this format could work in alot of small markets that dont yet have hip hop stations... and what about the old party 95.7 on live 365..rip... I loved that station,, and im not just saying that cause you owned it, but it was a good formula... bring it back on shoutcast and have a website,, and promote it braa..........
Im starting 2 new stations,, one is gonna be pure rap, and another with pure dance,, no pop on either,,, its hard to keep a net listener locked in if it isnt a 24/7 their style ya know..
Im starting 2 new stations,, one is gonna be pure rap, and another with pure dance,, no pop on either,,, its hard to keep a net listener locked in if it isnt a 24/7 their style ya know..
Ok WDRE I admit is good, and is what I'd listen to if I had it here, but still not exactly the "technique" in dance format I was thinking of. I do wish though that a WDRE format was a current national trend, owned by a company who was fond of popping up stations with that style and sound across the country..
Maybe later I'll try to explain the dance formula I have in mind, but don't feel like trying to do so at this moment.
BTW, WPOW is a perfect example of how I'd say a rhythmic station should be today.
Maybe later I'll try to explain the dance formula I have in mind, but don't feel like trying to do so at this moment.
BTW, WPOW is a perfect example of how I'd say a rhythmic station should be today.
M
Mid West Clubber
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WPOW is one of the best rhythmic stations, but not dance these days, so id be happy to see what you have to say, as I enjoy your posts
M
Mid West Clubber
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Also I find it hard to be a fan of dance/rap/pop/rock and fit in these days.... I hope the lines will blur in the future... I could care less if someone doesnt like me cause of a certain music genre I like,,, that isnt a true friend... but to the artists DJS and like,,, I hope we can all get along someday.
Still listening to Party 105... they've repeated quite a bit in a short space of time, somewhat like a top 40 station, but they are playing a good amount of dance material, and I also notice they play La Roux. The station sounds ok. I think I'll listen up until maybe 5:30 or 6pm eastern time, then I have some stuff of my own to do. I should turn Movin off since I already have Party on. I'm probably the only person who could have two things on and not notice after a while...
I do notice Party 105 doesn't really play anything electronic with a broken beat. Seams to be all house beats, or rhythmic pop & hip hop... not sure why... But Power 96 I know will play some electro breaks, bass, and freestyle in certain mix shows at times.
I haven't listened to Power 96 for some time, but judging by what I see on yes dot com for most played on Power 96, I can tell there are still quite a bit of things I like about the station for the format they are today. I find it a bit odd that they manage to make their top most played songs different from what you'd see on other rhythmic stations.. not to mention some of the stuff they have in their playlist. Their mix shows are better than pretty much all other rhythmic formats I know about at the moment.
As far as liking multiply types of music, I could see how it would make you not fit in, but at the same time, it should have more of a reverse effect because the more you like, the more people you can relate to in some way. I think me being into all types of unusual stuff has helped to bring me a long way, when I review and look over my past experiences over all. . . .. at least looking back to 1997 and afterwards. It has been what has helped me tolerate multiple format changes over time, dealing with people with different tastes of music... working in work places with various types of stuff the manager would choose to have played, sitting through other hits just to get to other songs I like....etc. Now, just recently, I find out I am going to London soon. Based on all the odd stuff I play, is there any chance that I would not fit in there? You may not fit in trying to play or desiring to hear everything all at once, but you will always fit in with people who like at least one of the multiple types of music you like. In some ways, it's like knowing more than one language. Amongst people who only speak one language, you stand out, but at the same time, you can relate to more people - if they at least speak one of those languages you know.
Funny - WDRE starts their traffic jam mix at 20 minutes after the hour! Anyway, I wonder if they are on the new Madonna yet? It would be odd if our KMVA really did beat WDRE to it..
I do notice Party 105 doesn't really play anything electronic with a broken beat. Seams to be all house beats, or rhythmic pop & hip hop... not sure why... But Power 96 I know will play some electro breaks, bass, and freestyle in certain mix shows at times.
I haven't listened to Power 96 for some time, but judging by what I see on yes dot com for most played on Power 96, I can tell there are still quite a bit of things I like about the station for the format they are today. I find it a bit odd that they manage to make their top most played songs different from what you'd see on other rhythmic stations.. not to mention some of the stuff they have in their playlist. Their mix shows are better than pretty much all other rhythmic formats I know about at the moment.
As far as liking multiply types of music, I could see how it would make you not fit in, but at the same time, it should have more of a reverse effect because the more you like, the more people you can relate to in some way. I think me being into all types of unusual stuff has helped to bring me a long way, when I review and look over my past experiences over all. . . .. at least looking back to 1997 and afterwards. It has been what has helped me tolerate multiple format changes over time, dealing with people with different tastes of music... working in work places with various types of stuff the manager would choose to have played, sitting through other hits just to get to other songs I like....etc. Now, just recently, I find out I am going to London soon. Based on all the odd stuff I play, is there any chance that I would not fit in there? You may not fit in trying to play or desiring to hear everything all at once, but you will always fit in with people who like at least one of the multiple types of music you like. In some ways, it's like knowing more than one language. Amongst people who only speak one language, you stand out, but at the same time, you can relate to more people - if they at least speak one of those languages you know.
Funny - WDRE starts their traffic jam mix at 20 minutes after the hour! Anyway, I wonder if they are on the new Madonna yet? It would be odd if our KMVA really did beat WDRE to it..
I see CIDC is playing less dance.
Hmmmm....
pop and hip hop artists turning towards electronic sounds....
however, dance stations dying.....
Some VERY interesting times we're in, to say the least.
I guess with all the stations rushing to adopt a chr format because urban and other formats are no longer working as well, there's no room for any dance stations if top 40 is going to jump on the trend and call it all pop.
You have to admit a large reason behind the huge jump in the CHR top 40 / rhythmic sound is a result of hip hop phasing out as electronic and other different sounds begin to take over, causing more of a variety of sounds. Sounds that are so obviously different that you cannot continue to pass with just pretending it's all hip hop and nothing changed.
If a bunch of electronic stuff starts popping up that isn't exactly traditional dance, yet it's also too electronic to be considered hip hop or something else, the safest thing to do is pop up pop stations to follow the trends and call it all pop until a new name for it eventually comes along. Most don't care what it's called as long as the money and finances flow in off of it.
Hmmmm....
pop and hip hop artists turning towards electronic sounds....
however, dance stations dying.....
Some VERY interesting times we're in, to say the least.
I guess with all the stations rushing to adopt a chr format because urban and other formats are no longer working as well, there's no room for any dance stations if top 40 is going to jump on the trend and call it all pop.
You have to admit a large reason behind the huge jump in the CHR top 40 / rhythmic sound is a result of hip hop phasing out as electronic and other different sounds begin to take over, causing more of a variety of sounds. Sounds that are so obviously different that you cannot continue to pass with just pretending it's all hip hop and nothing changed.
If a bunch of electronic stuff starts popping up that isn't exactly traditional dance, yet it's also too electronic to be considered hip hop or something else, the safest thing to do is pop up pop stations to follow the trends and call it all pop until a new name for it eventually comes along. Most don't care what it's called as long as the money and finances flow in off of it.
The Brits, as usual, are a couple of years ahead of us on this trend. The current number one on the UK charts is exactly the type of sound KDM and Morpheux are talking about.
Taio Cruz "Break Your Heart"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOg_IHwXWsk
Taio Cruz "Break Your Heart"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOg_IHwXWsk
And stations like the "Galaxy" and "Kiss" clusters in the UK are leading the way.CHRles said:The Brits, as usual, are a couple of years ahead of us on this trend. The current number one on the UK charts is exactly the type of sound KDM and Morpheux are talking about.
Taio Cruz "Break Your Heart"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOg_IHwXWsk
I also agree that one of the main reasons for pure dance stations abandoning the format recently is this noticable increase in electronic flavored music at CHR. This is an exciting time at CHR and a welcome change from the cookie cutter hip hop we've had for several years.
KDM 7000 said:Top 40 will be the new "dance" stations disguised as chr's.
... then as the dance beat sound begins to catch on, someone will think to do an urban/rhythmic dance format, and when successful, more dance leaning formats will begin to pop up.
Since all the "old" formats are dying away, there will be no "standard dance formula" to follow, therefore, people may be open to coming up with new ideas for a new styled dance format that will actually work and catch people's attention.
I just noticed what I said there. Urban/rhythmic dance format was a horrible way to describe it or paint a picture in people's minds. I should rather say electro hip hop, rhythmic pop, and dance hits, meaning a station catering specifically (or mainly) to the uptempo sound along with other electronic influenced or pure dance hits in the playlist. Example,
Lil Jon - Give it all you got
Black Eyed Peas - Boom Boom Pow
Booty Luv - Say it
Jay Sean - Down
Kim Sozzi - feel your love
Daisy - Everytime
Dj Class - I'm the ish
Shakira - She wolf
David Guetta - Sexy Bitch
Lady Gaga - LoveGame
Cascada - Evacuate the dancefloor
Honorebel ft Pitbull - Shake
Akon - Beautiful
Jeremih - Birthday Sex (remix)
Fuzzy Logik - In the morning
La Roux - Bulletproof
Flo Rida - In the ayer
Kaci Battaglia - Crazy Possessive
There will probably be three styles of dance stations to kick things off with. The Urban dance format/dance format that leans towards urban rhythmic electronic; The dance lean top 40 / top 40 hits with a dance lean, and the dance station that leans more on the side of the pure vocal dance tracks with some pop and stuff thrown in... kind of similar to how rhythmic is done today. Urban lean rhythmics, traditional middle of the road rhythmics, and top 40 lean rhythmics. It looks like this could happen, but this is just my prediction, assuming that all this takes place before the next move in technology advancements take place. This is like me predicting t.v. programming in 2005, being unaware of Zulu or YouTube coming along... but then again, t.v. still exists without too much change, so.... bottom line is it could happen.
Although I believe it could happen, I have my reason for doubts...
When you really think of it, what's going on today really is nothing more than a fusion of new generation booty bass, house, freestyle, and other styles mashed up together. With that being said, remember that there was never a station or dance station that catered to dance/uptempo hits, both on the house beat and booty bass beat side all together. HOWEVER, we are in NEW times, so who knows what could happen NOW! A dance station featuring different styles of dance and beats may be the future sound, instead of the old tradition of a bunch of songs with 95% of them being all house beats. Whatever happens, it should happen differently from how it was done in the past.
At the least, ..nevermind. Enough for now.
KDM 7000 said:KDM 7000 said:Top 40 will be the new "dance" stations disguised as chr's.
... then as the dance beat sound begins to catch on, someone will think to do an urban/rhythmic dance format, and when successful, more dance leaning formats will begin to pop up.
Since all the "old" formats are dying away, there will be no "standard dance formula" to follow, therefore, people may be open to coming up with new ideas for a new styled dance format that will actually work and catch people's attention.
I just noticed what I said there. Urban/rhythmic dance format was a horrible way to describe it or paint a picture in people's minds. I should rather say electro hip hop, rhythmic pop, and dance hits, meaning a station catering specifically (or mainly) to the uptempo sound along with other electronic influenced or pure dance hits in the playlist. Example,
Lil Jon - Give it all you got
Black Eyed Peas - Boom Boom Pow
Booty Luv - Say it
Jay Sean - Down
Kim Sozzi - feel your love
Daisy - Everytime
Dj Class - I'm the ish
Shakira - She wolf
David Guetta - Sexy Bitch
Lady Gaga - LoveGame
Cascada - Evacuate the dancefloor
Honorebel ft Pitbull - Shake
Akon - Beautiful
Jeremih - Birthday Sex (remix)
Fuzzy Logik - In the morning
La Roux - Bulletproof
Flo Rida - In the ayer
Kaci Battaglia - Crazy Possessive
There will probably be three styles of dance stations to kick things off with. The Urban dance format/dance format that leans towards urban rhythmic electronic; The dance lean top 40 / top 40 hits with a dance lean, and the dance station that leans more on the side of the pure vocal dance tracks with some pop and stuff thrown in... kind of similar to how rhythmic is done today. Urban lean rhythmics, traditional middle of the road rhythmics, and top 40 lean rhythmics. It looks like this could happen, but this is just my prediction, assuming that all this takes place before the next move in technology advancements take place. This is like me predicting t.v. programming in 2005, being unaware of Zulu or YouTube coming along... but then again, t.v. still exists without too much change, so.... bottom line is it could happen.
Although I believe it could happen, I have my reason for doubts...
When you really think of it, what's going on today really is nothing more than a fusion of new generation booty bass, house, freestyle, and other styles mashed up together. With that being said, remember that there was never a station or dance station that catered to dance/uptempo hits, both on the house beat and booty bass beat side all together. HOWEVER, we are in NEW times, so who knows what could happen NOW! A dance station featuring different styles of dance and beats may be the future sound, instead of the old tradition of a bunch of songs with 95% of them being all house beats. Whatever happens, it should happen differently from how it was done in the past.
At the least, ..nevermind. Enough for now.
You know, come to think of it thoroughly, it seems that this formula could be the key to success. Maybe I should jump off the "pure dance" wagon for a bit and try this out and see where this goes. :-\
The "Crazy Possessive" one should be the cahill mix!!!!
Just thought I'd throw that in. Keep in mind that that list I gave is just a BRIEF SUMMARY and EXAMPLE SAMPLE of what should be played, so if any songs in there seem too "non-playlisty" (if that makes sense), I probably just threw it in as an example. For example, "I'm the ish" would probably be boring to play by itself, and is probably not going to go anywhere long term, but it's a perfect example of a style I'm describing that most would be familiar with.
Other dance style / electro songs with non house patterned beats that could be played sometimes:
`Diamonds & Patron - Tino Cochino
`Written on her - Birdman
`Can you stop the rain (South Mix) - Stefanie Bennett
`3 - Britney
`Right now (na na na) - Akon ft Kat DeLuna
`Breathing your love - Darin (ok, well.......)
...And an example of recurrent "new dance rhythm format style" hits:
Fergalicious - Fergie
Time - Therese
The sweet escape (Konvict Remix) - Gwen Stefani
Lose Control - Missy Elliott
Rock this party - Bob Sinclair
Satisfaction - Benny Benassi
Raindrop - Stunt
SOS - Rihanna
F*ck the men (a toast to men) - Willa Ford
Deja Vu (remix) - Roc Project ft Tina Novak
Love me right - Angel City
Low - Flo Rida
Journey of love (south beats mix) - LIV
Somnambulist - BT
hear my name - Armand Van Helden
Shiny Disco ..ok you get the point now.
(Some of those may be regional and may not work at all, since some of these recurrents are flashing back to a time when many stations were completely ignoring dance, therefore many people may be completely unaware of some of those songs... or maybe this new style format shouldn't worry about recurrents too much for now. I actually think certain recurrents will just mess things up... but I still believe Therese and LIV were seriously underrated!!!! Solitaire along with Freemasons & Amanda Wilson, too!!! Bad timing to release those!!!)
I'll leave it up to everyone else to guess what the old school programs could consist of.
And!!! - What's perfect about this type of NEW formatting is that since it will be based on completely new formulas and ideas, the mixshows will be as well! All rules change, so there's more room to experiment and feature various types of dance music styles in mix shows (so you don't end up with 8 hours of the same beat nonstop), just like how it's done on BBC Radio 1 with their mix shows.
It would be best also if we could focus more on the original versions of the already fast, groovy sounding uptempo hits, and less on the dance remixes of Taylor Swift, Keri Hilson, Miley Cyrus...etc - that way the sound can have more of it's own identity and not just be a "remix / club thing". We can save the dance pop remixes for specified mixshows, and ONLY use the good ones.
Just thought I'd throw that in. Keep in mind that that list I gave is just a BRIEF SUMMARY and EXAMPLE SAMPLE of what should be played, so if any songs in there seem too "non-playlisty" (if that makes sense), I probably just threw it in as an example. For example, "I'm the ish" would probably be boring to play by itself, and is probably not going to go anywhere long term, but it's a perfect example of a style I'm describing that most would be familiar with.
Other dance style / electro songs with non house patterned beats that could be played sometimes:
`Diamonds & Patron - Tino Cochino
`Written on her - Birdman
`Can you stop the rain (South Mix) - Stefanie Bennett
`3 - Britney
`Right now (na na na) - Akon ft Kat DeLuna
`Breathing your love - Darin (ok, well.......)
...And an example of recurrent "new dance rhythm format style" hits:
Fergalicious - Fergie
Time - Therese
The sweet escape (Konvict Remix) - Gwen Stefani
Lose Control - Missy Elliott
Rock this party - Bob Sinclair
Satisfaction - Benny Benassi
Raindrop - Stunt
SOS - Rihanna
F*ck the men (a toast to men) - Willa Ford
Deja Vu (remix) - Roc Project ft Tina Novak
Love me right - Angel City
Low - Flo Rida
Journey of love (south beats mix) - LIV
Somnambulist - BT
hear my name - Armand Van Helden
Shiny Disco ..ok you get the point now.
(Some of those may be regional and may not work at all, since some of these recurrents are flashing back to a time when many stations were completely ignoring dance, therefore many people may be completely unaware of some of those songs... or maybe this new style format shouldn't worry about recurrents too much for now. I actually think certain recurrents will just mess things up... but I still believe Therese and LIV were seriously underrated!!!! Solitaire along with Freemasons & Amanda Wilson, too!!! Bad timing to release those!!!)
I'll leave it up to everyone else to guess what the old school programs could consist of.
And!!! - What's perfect about this type of NEW formatting is that since it will be based on completely new formulas and ideas, the mixshows will be as well! All rules change, so there's more room to experiment and feature various types of dance music styles in mix shows (so you don't end up with 8 hours of the same beat nonstop), just like how it's done on BBC Radio 1 with their mix shows.
It would be best also if we could focus more on the original versions of the already fast, groovy sounding uptempo hits, and less on the dance remixes of Taylor Swift, Keri Hilson, Miley Cyrus...etc - that way the sound can have more of it's own identity and not just be a "remix / club thing". We can save the dance pop remixes for specified mixshows, and ONLY use the good ones.
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