Ernie & Jay on KRLD

[montril]

Don't dance around the point. Are they up in 35-64 or aren't they? Is their audience growing or is it diminishing? Are they producing numbers that KRLD hasn't seen in a while or aren't they? Again, you can say that they suck all you want, but numbers don't grow on a show that sucks. Why can't you give them credit where credit is due? You may not like the show personally but it's obviously attracting more listeners and Mark Davis is doing more local topics than he's ever had to do before. Why is he doing that when he clearly likes national over local? The answer is that Ernie and Jay are on the Radar and BAP is worried. People are tired of the same old politics and that's why Ernie and Jay are having an impact. Here's a prediction that you can take to the bank...Ernie and Jay will continue to grow and they will become a powerhouse in this market.

Here's another prediction. People on this board who don't like them will continue to make childish remarks suggesting that any positive comments about Ernie and Jay must be from Ernie and Jay or someone at the sales staff of KRLD. If that's all you've got then leave it on the playground because you're suggesting that if you don't like a show that means that no one likes the show. Get over yourselves already. You’re only showing that you lack maturity and the ability to have a legitimate conversation about radio talent and their abilities. You might as well just say, “I’m 10 years old and proud of it!”

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

Huff and puff quote

"Here's another prediction. People on this board who don't like them will continue to make childish remarks suggesting that any positive comments about Ernie and Jay must be from Ernie and Jay or someone at the sales staff of KRLD. If that's all you've got then leave it on the playground because you're suggesting that if you don't like a show that means that no one likes the show. Get over yourselves already. You’re only showing that you lack maturity and the ability to have a legitimate conversation about radio talent and their abilities. You might as well just say, “I’m 10 years old and proud of it!”

I believe most likely it is a salesperson or someone closely asociated with Ernie and Jay ( Board op) who has typed in the above.
My question . Why does Ernie and Jay copy Mark Davis? They often talk about a subject he had discuss the day before or the day before that. Mark talks about national topics AS THEY PERTAIN TO DFW.
Ernie and Jay are not original in content,and they bill well. That why they stay. Compared to the other losing shows before them (excepting Charlie Jones) they are a bandaid that has taken hold to stop the bleeding. It will never heal. Dancing around numbers? Leave that to the KRLD sales staff. Their weather is great,and actually served the community. Ernie Jay,much ado about nothing.

 

[TheLaffer]

Don't dance around the point. Are they up in 35-64 or aren't they? Is their audience growing or is it diminishing? Are they producing numbers that KRLD hasn't seen in a while or aren't they? Again, you can say that they suck all you want, but numbers don't grow on a show that sucks. Why can't you give them credit where credit is due? You may not like the show personally but it's obviously attracting more listeners and Mark Davis is doing more local topics than he's ever had to do before. Why is he doing that when he clearly likes national over local? The answer is that Ernie and Jay are on the Radar and BAP is worried. People are tired of the same old politics and that's why Ernie and Jay are having an impact. Here's a prediction that you can take to the bank...Ernie and Jay will continue to grow and they will become a powerhouse in this market.

Here's another prediction. People on this board who don't like them will continue to make childish remarks suggesting that any positive comments about Ernie and Jay must be from Ernie and Jay or someone at the sales staff of KRLD. If that's all you've got then leave it on the playground because you're suggesting that if you don't like a show that means that no one likes the show. Get over yourselves already. You’re only showing that you lack maturity and the ability to have a legitimate conversation about radio talent and their abilities. You might as well just say, “I’m 10 years old and proud of it!”

FACT: Ernie Brown has been here before and died. The upward ratings you mention are NOT WAY UP. They're up just a few tenths.

Can you be more specific about what Jay/Ernie is doing different other than the same old politics?

 

[jrc1971]

I love how the seemingly unemployed, decrepit old "has-beens" of Dallas radio get defensive when someone defends those they tear down...if nothing else it makes for great entertainment.

Not that I don't value your opinions, at least to some degree...if I didn't I guess I wouldn't visit here regularly. Besides, someone has to stir the pot a little.

 

[Robert Bass]

I love how the seemingly unemployed, decrepit old "has-beens" of Dallas radio get defensive when someone defends those they tear down...if nothing else it makes for great entertainment.

Yeah but do you also love it when the person being attacked gets co-workers to create accounts here, and their very first post defends the fellow being attacked? “Oh boo hoo, woe is me…. Let me ask Rick in the sales department to get on here and defend me.”

R

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

Yeah it does seem that way Robert. I also love it that You must be unemployed,out the business before you can critique someone or something. Another point of proof that originality and creativeness is looked down upon in todays radio.

 

[jrc1971]

I love how the seemingly unemployed, decrepit old "has-beens" of Dallas radio get defensive when someone defends those they tear down...if nothing else it makes for great entertainment.

Yeah but do you also love it when the person being attacked gets co-workers to create accounts here, and their very first post defends the fellow being attacked? “Oh boo hoo, woe is me…. Let me ask Rick in the sales department to get on here and defend me.”

R

That gets tossed around here a lot....particularly on the Dallas board. I wouldn't doubt that it happens from time to time...but not near to the degree that some on here would have us believe. There are a small handful of people on here that throw that statement up everytime someone has something good to say about people they don't like.

Smells like jealousy.....but then, who knows?

Yeah it does seem that way Robert. I also love it that You must be unemployed,out the business before you can critique someone or something. Another point of proof that originality and creativeness is looked down upon in todays radio.

...and I love how anyone who says something good about radio personalities that the "Dallas whiney-group" doesn't like MUST OBVIOUSLY be a co-worker/salesperson in some capacity of the person being discussed.

Sorry to disappoint, but I am not, nor ever have been, employed in radio in any capacity. I believe I stated this earlier.

 

[ripunleaded]

i have never posted in this group. i dont work in radio. i listen to the radio at work and in my car. i find the industry interesting and come here from time to time to see what is happening at my favorite stations since there is no uncle barky of the radio world.

i like erine and jay. they are local. they dont talk about the republicans or democrats. they talk about local news and local issues.

"wait a second, if you like ernie and jay you must work for them" well no, other people actaully are allowed to have opinions. there seem to be a few people on this board that have to make bad jokes and personal attacks about people they don't know (and if they do know they still serve no purpose). does alexa conomos irritate me? yah i dont really care for her but i dont get the reason why yall have to make fun of her over and over. she might be a greek b***h but she has good gig and many of yall seem like yall dont.

i come to this board for legitimate opinions and insider news about the radio industry and there seem to be plenty of people who particiapte in that. the ones that just want to bash and make fun of others really need to find a seperate board because its just irritating.

 

[Robert Bass]

There is nothing wrong with that approach. The only problem is when some of these "new posters" use and spin radio lingo and arbitron information to bolster their claim. That can (and does) make the poster look suspiciously like he/she is in some sort of loop with the person being flamed. How does that help this board? I don't think it does.

R

 

[montril]

Up only a few tenths? Now you're just not being truthfull. And you continue to suggest that anyone who has a differing opinion must work for the station. You say that you have the numbers right in front of you. Do you work for KRLD? This whole line of reasoning is just silly. And where you get the idea that Ernie and Jay are following Mark Davis is just silly. 1. There are only so many issues out there to talk about. 2. If Jeff Bolton or Mike Gallager does a topic at 5am does that mean that anyone else who does that topic the rest of the day is just following their lead? Come on man? Talk show hosts talk about the issues that people are talking about. I've heard Ernie and Jay do topics weeks before Davis gets around to them. I also hear them do topics every day that no one else gets to. I also hear Mark Davis do hour after hour of national topics that E&J never talk about. 3. Ernie and Jay do not get wrapped up in the two sided nature of politics today. That makes them completely different than everyone else. Plus the idea of a tandem joking around and having fun while talking about the issues has been very entertaining. 4. Get over yourselves. You really think that what is said on this board is so troublesome to a talk show host that they would get someone to log on and defend them? How self important can you be? They have talk shows and a way to express their opinions. I only know of one talk show host in this market who cares about what is said here and that's the all important JD Wells. No one else cares man! Again, get over yourselves! If you think this board has any impact on anything going on in the industry you're just wrong. If you had a talk show you would probably be focusing on the next days issues instead of trying to defend stupid comments like,"ooh, it sounds like another sales person at KRLD has logged on to defend E&J."

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

Good points Robert. I notice the ones who comment on the "comments" are usually brand new posters or posters with a new nic, who happened to know ratings, sell revenue, etc. but the other statement they bring out is I am not in the business,etc. I am a listener. Well how did you find out about the board if your'e not, unless you have heard of it from a friend or colleague in radio,and that friend ( or even a friend of theirs) is under some shrap criticism? So that defense is pretty lame, and the comeback I"Googled" it,doesn't wash either. Not all jokes written or expressed here are going to be rip roaring funny. Its to "lighten the load" for Pete's sake. Quit being so damn serious and lighten up. Not every one wears a suit to work everyday or has that stale mentality of only seeing black and white.


It started off about "Ernie and Jay", then when they got heavily criticized, these new posters break out, then all of sudden "they" jump to their defense in a short period of time. That is very highly suspicious. Not one "newbie" criticizes E&J.
The image is plain and clear as cellophane.

Robert pointed out,how would these "newbies" know about arbitron figures,if they are not part of the business, and that includes ad agencies BTW who have that info., at their disposal? You got to be in it to fully know. So the camoflage is not working folks.

 

[Reasonable]

I havent listened in a while so I dont know if Jay and Ernie have combined in entire for the 10a-3p hour or if they are just sharing noon... in either case, nobody is saying that is a bad idea.

What we are saying is that these two hosts will never make a monumental change for KRLD. They are merely ways of getting by. You are spewing out the same CBS ancient management concept to take a book and make a story out of it. All stations have changes per trend/book. Just because they are up 35-54, they can be down 25-54... It doesnt matter. KRLD tends to create a story every 6 months to a year to create a picture of some victory to tell their advertisers... when they shouldnt even be focused on ratings, period.

Last year, there was this big celebration that Jay and Ernie rose in 25-54 by .00000000000000002 share. This book, its 35-54. Its all a cycle for the low rated stations to not only magnify some sort of jump, but to create a story... including Mark Davis having to take after Ernie and Jay. What a laugh.

 

[montril]

BTW, I agree that Jay's voice has a screaming like quality to it. But once I got used to it I began to like the show. I tried to listen to Ernie before he was with Jay and found him to be without opinion. He just wanted to talk about all sides of the issues without taking one himself. Jay seems to have brought out some of that opinionated side. I also find that if I catch them in the last hour or so of their show that they seem like they're just filling time. I usually switch to my CD's during this time because I can't find a good alternative. I can't see how anyone could or should be doing 5 hours a day.

Jeff Bolton takes 5 minutes to say what could be said in 10 seconds and loves to talk about the importance of his show. I’m not looking for someone to tell me about common sense because if it’s common then we are already aware of it. I’m looking for some uncommon sense and reasoning that not everyone is thinking or doing. A little out of the box might be nice.

Mark Davis just sounds like he thinks he's the king of all things talk instead of being the recipient of Rush Limbaugh left overs.

Sean Hannity is nothing but 3 hours of infomercial for Hannity & Colmes and taking calls about what a great American he is. I used to listen because he would get the players on but now it's just the same old thing.

If John David Wells would stop telling us about how wonderful he is and how his show is for the people he might have an o.k. show. It doesn't sound like anyone over there is trying to steer him in the right direction though. So for now he is just too pompous to bear.

Russ Martin is funny and entertaining to me one day and then the next I just can’t take it anymore. Especially the let’s replay the great bit from yesterday or last week or last year over and over and over again. But I do see and understand the appeal.

Now where are you going to accuse me of working so you won’t have to respond to reasonable commentary?

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

Montril take an asprin,and relax. Many in the industry read this and many other on line sites. The verbage you used is typical of a weak defense. I can't imagine you listening to two different stations at once ,unless you tape one and listen to other afterwards. Lordy,thats not much of a life. I suggest you take your on advice about "getting over something" You Like "E&J" and somehow know them on a personal basis or work in the same area,etc with them, or perhaps knew them in other markets. Who knows and who really cares but your spewing defense belies the information you are close to them in some capacity,otherwise you wouldn't go on with a sustained gust of 100mph almost to a category 2.
I wish you well, and remember your blood pressure.

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

Montril: Foot note in repsonse to your last post. Glad you're calming down.I suggest you listen to WRR a little more. Too bad KOAX is not around any more You know ' "A place to relax".

 

[Reasonable]

Now where are you going to accuse me of working so you won’t have to respond to reasonable commentary?

You really sound like brainwashed CBS salesperson.

 

[montril]

My frustration was never with criticism of Ernie and Jay. Go back and check! My frustration is with idiots who refuse to have a real conversation and instead answer with playground responses. Talk radio is entertainment. If you like it, listen, if you don't, don't. I listen to talk radio for the conversation and the challenge to my brain. That's also why I joined this board, which I have read for months now but never registered or chimed in. I don't know why you can't come out in support of someone without being pegged as an insider. When someone makes a statement it should be dealt with for what it is. Stop trying to read people's minds or intentions through an message board.

Again, go back and read through this thread. Someone says something nice about E&J and everytime the response is that they must either be E&J or work with E&J. So people are on this board to hear their own opinions and make fun of those that differ with them. Again, how childish can we be? I have no frustration with people who criticize E&J, my problem is with those that can't stand a differing opinion and are so intellectually challenged that they can't have a discussion. And if you think this troubles me to any real personal level you're wrong. I feel sorry for people like that and I choose words that I know will cut them to the quick and cause them to expose even more their lack of ability to converse logically. I guess it's kind of a hobby of mine. So don't worry about my blood pressure, but I do appreciate the concern.

 

[montril]

I do listen to WRR. Believe it or not I also listen to MOVIN because it takes me back to the day.

 

[ripunleaded]

i found out about the board from D Magazine's frontburner blog (found out about uncle barky the same way). i started reading frontburners blog after reading about it in their magazine. i work in retail. my screen name is a bad joke of vin diesels name.

i just don't get why yall have to slam each other all the time and always be wrong. yall could have lively discussions but instead if you don't agree with a few people on this board it seems your opinion must be wrong or you must work for the opposite view.

 

[Reasonable]

Um hello! While you've all been here talking has anyone bothered to check the ratings on Ernie and Jay? Their numbers are up...way up in the last two 4 trends. Why do you think Mark Davis is having to talk about local issues again? He's actually getting beat by these two in 35-64 in January and February and their pulling numbers better than KRLD has seen in years. So bad mouth 'em all you want but the goal of radio is to get numbers and they're well on their way.

Its OK to state your opinion and support these two talk... people... on KRLD, but another to bring the above type of arguement in.