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Ernie Kovacs

I wonder what others on the board think, pro or con, about the TV work of Ernie Kovacs. Some of my thoughts...(well, more of an essay than a forum post, but it's a holiday and I have time on my hands, so...)

Ernie was in many respects the first TV personality who instinctively understood television as a distinct medium. He realized quickly that this is not radio, not vaudeville, not film, not theater, but a unique medium with its own idiosyncrasies and possibilities. (Especially in the area of special effects and video manipulation, in which he was a pioneer.)

There are many reason why Kovacs' "humor" is an acquired taste. Scarcity is one. Because the eccentric nature of his humor went against the grain of more conventional fare, he never had a truly successful or long-lasting show. And not all of that even survives. Apart from a few amateur film clips and a kinnie or two, we have nothing of his early years of live, local television in Philadelphia. We have several of the shows he did at NBC in the 50's (with a live audience, which Ernie hated), a few episodes of his quirky game show Take a Good Look (which panelist Hans Conreid said was the most confusing game show he had ever seen), and thankfully, the videotaped half-hour specials he did for ABC in the early 60's just before his untimely death. (The last of these actually aired posthumously.) And much of what does survive gets short shrift; apart from the 1980's "Best of Ernie Kovacs" shows on PBS, and the brief time that Comedy Central had some airings of his shows in the 90's, his stuff has never been regularly seen on TV in the 40-plus years since his death. So, when you talk about Kovacs, many people have simply never seen his TV work, or just saw a few isolated bits and pieces.

Second, Ernie's style was not terribly digestible to a mass audience, especially back in the day. I'm always felt that Kovacs was more of an artist than a comedian or entertainer. Deep down inside, he didn't really care whether you "got" it or not -- he did what he found funny or interesting, and would try anything, experimenting with the technology of the day, that suited his fancy. I'll be the first to say that, as some of my friends have pointed out, many of his bits were not "funny" in a conventional LOL sense, but were very clever and creative. Many who knew Kovacs or admire his work believe that he was simply ahead of his time, and that his eclectic, surreal style and skewering of the accepted conventions of the medium would have been more palatable in later years. His later shows, with their quick blackouts gags, running jokes, and almost schizophrenic alternation between visual absurdities, physical slapstick, and more conventional set pieces, would be replicated in Laugh-In. (Indeed, George Schlatter, whose wife Jolene Brand worked with Ernie, admitted that he was influenced by Kovacs.) His devotion to surrealism, breaking the "fourth wall," non-sequiters, and sketches that didn't have conventional ends or beginnings, foreshadowed things like Monty Python's Flying Circus.

These are just a few examples of the type of thing that 1950's viewers simply did not understand in Kovacs' style:

-- Non-sequiter and surrealism: There was a sketch on one of Ernie's 1950's shows, a musical of sorts with an Arabian setting. It ends with a typically Broadway-ish chorus/dance thing (itself very out of place for the subject matter). Suddenly, for no reason, the cast is joined on stage in the number by several stereotypical and anachronistic figures (such as a basketball player, a 1920's newsboy, etc.) who never appeared in the sketch and have nothing whatsoever to do with what viewers had been watching for the last 8 minutes. I think Ernie delighted in moments like this that would elicit from viewers not a laugh, but rather a quizzical look and a muttered "What the....?"

-- The long expository set-up that culminates in the briefest of gags. A bit that opened one of the NBC shows was announced as an exhibition by a Russian grand master chess player who, it was said, had the ability to play 5 games simultaneously while blindfolded. On stage are five tables with chess sets, with the Russian's opponents seated thereby. Ernie spent what seemed like an eternity setting up the premise, introducing each player (all various national and ethnic stereotypes) at length, etc. Finally, the grand master appears on stage in his blindfold -- and in about two seconds does a blind pratfall into the first table, starting a domino chain reaction that upturns all the tables and scatters the chess boards and pieces across the stage. And there the bit ended with no further comment.

-- The obvious telegraphed gag. One bit had Ernie attending a voice recital. Our view is of Kovacs and the people seated nearby. The soprano (heard, but not seen) is horrible, with a screeching, grating voice. Ernie at first looks confused, then incredulous, and finally angry. He pulls out a long parcel he had carried into the audience with him, pulls out the parts of a rifle, and for the next few minutes proceeds to slowly and methodically assemble the gun, clean the barrel, test the sight, load, etc. (the guy sitting next to him even helps him at one point, as if it were perfectly normal for someone to be putting a rifle together in a recital hall), interspersed with various faces made in reaction to particularly sour notes. Yes, of course, he ultimately shoots the diva, and you KNEW for what seemed like forever that the sketch would end that way, but the obvious gag was not what was funny. (Ernie knew that just quickly taking a gun out and shooting her would have made for a very short bit, and would not have been as funny or interesting.)

People who were used to watching Milton Berle and Ed Wynn; people who expected comedians to do setup-punchline-setup-punchline; people who expected a sketch to make (at least on the surface) some logical sense, and to flow with a proper exposition and clear ending; well, these were typical 1950's viewers, and they simply could not fathom what Kovacs was trying to do.

Anyway....what do you guys think about Kovacs?
 
I'm one of those who has seen mostly "bits and pieces", but would welcome the opportunity to eventually encounter more of Kovacs' work. I was born a few years after he died, and I can't seem to recall any older relative, or really anybody I have known, ever mentioning his name. I have read about him, and seen a few scattered clips over the years. Then a friend gave me a small stack of old VHS tapes, one of which was a Red Skelton-Ernie Kovacs double fearture, with a couple of episodes from each of their shows in the '50s. The Kovacs shows were an ABC product, and included commercials (with Kovacs) for Dutch Masters cigars. They were done totally in pantomime (not my favorite style of humor ::)). A bit too dusty and old-fashioned for me, all I can say is it's a shame Kovacs wasn't around in the 60's and 70's, after television officially "grew up". He would have probaly worked wonders!!

The chess tournament scenario you mentioned made me laugh out loud. That's my kind of humor. I like to call it "pretense deflated" :D
 
dxnemo78 said:
I'm one of those who has seen mostly "bits and pieces", but would welcome the opportunity to eventually encounter more of Kovacs' work.

FWIW, some of his stuff has been released on video, but I'm not sure if it's currently "in print." There's a set of 5 tapes/DVDs that I know turns up on eBay frequently (I have a VHS set I bought years ago at a Salvation Army store, of all places). The set has most of the ABC specials and a couple or three of the 50's shows, and appears to be derived from the material used back in the 80's when PBS had their WTTW-produced "Best of Ernie Kovacs" series.

I have quite a few of the 50's NBC shows that were shown on Comedy Central that I taped off-air back then, and I'm sure most of them have never been released on video.
 
For the more word-based elements of Mr. Kovacs' work, seek out (on eBay, GEMM or whatever) The Ernie Kovacs Album (Columbia PC 34250, 1976). His "Welcome Transients" routine where he practically put words in a guest's mouth relating to a cross-country trip the guest took was priceless (to the effect than a 1950's edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica "Book of the Year" cited it as one of the best bits of the year, and printed it verbatim), as was his "Pierre Ragout" fractured tale of "Snow White" with the wicked "Queen Zsa Zsa" and the ever-changing names of three of the seven dwarfs. Few people realize that before taking TV by storm (and constantly being swept away in one hurricane after another, metaphorically), Mr. Kovacs was a radio personality in Trenton, NJ; and in 1956, when hosting a daytime show on NBC as well as alternating with Steve Allen as host of Tonight, he also hosted a radio show with such routines as "Uncle Gruesome" and the running gag about the "concealed lime pit."
 
I also caught on to Kovacs when I saw the PBS specials in the 80's, but never saw much else about him until recent years when I discovered more over the internet. As for the lack of available material I've read where his widow Edie Adams testified before Congress about how ABC executives destroyed a big part of his films in a massive dumping of shows from the 50's into either the East River or the Atlatic Ocean depending on the source.

I found the box set mentioned earlier on Ebay. It's also available on DVD and usually runs around $5.00 plus shipping. amd the DVD set runs about $10.00 plus shipping. Here's an example on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Best-of-Ern...264911737QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150264911737

Also, I recently discovered the Ernie Kovacs album available for download at a blog that features out of print comedy albums: http://cheezefactory.blogspot.com/2008/04/ernie-kovacs-ernic-kovacs-album-best-of.html

Also, here is an album called Ernie Kovacs' Record Collection that has a lot of the music that was used in his shows: http://cheezefactory.blogspot.com/2008/01/ernie-kovacs-record-collection.html
 
I've always been a fan of Ernie Kovacs and enjoy hearing or reading the remarks of others about him. Perhaps what was said about him at the conclusion of a special showing clips from his TV shows said it best for me when Ernie was called "Television's Only Genius".
 
I remember Ernie Kovacs from the early 50s on TV. I was the youngest in the family and just about the only one who stayed in front of the set when he came on. We had all tired of Uncle Miltie's shtick quickly and I never found Sid Caesar all that entertaining but Kovacs I liked. I guess I liked the mental challenge of trying to figure out what was going on and the unpredictability. I'm sure much of it went way over my head. My favorite character was the very fey poet Percy Dovetonsils.

I read the Wiki article on Ernie and was reminded of the Nairobi Trio; I had forgotten all about them and in truth if I had remembered I probably would have associated them with Caesar. I loved the Dutch Masters commercials too and years later when I first tried cigars, DM was the brand I started with.

I don't recall any of the examples in the first post in this thread but the Wiki article's discussion of the pranks played by the crew on Kovacs live on-air caught a sense of the way I remember the show, even though I'm not sure I actually saw any of those incidents. Live TV, local or national, was captivating. I never stayed up late enough for Tonight back then so I never saw him there.

I'm not a collector but I'll have to look into some of what's available. And, since I eventually wound up in radio, I'd love to hear some of his radio work, which I had never known about before.
 
hrhwebmaster said:
My favorite character was the very fey poet Percy Dovetonsils.

Which, although stereotyped and played for laughs, was one of the few unquestionably gay characters on 1950's TV. Television was even more restrictive than movies in that era when it came to such things.

hrhwebmaster said:
I read the Wiki article on Ernie and was reminded of the Nairobi Trio; I had forgotten all about them....

The Wikipedia article is excellent -- I actually contributed a lot of stuff to it sometime ago. (It has since been reorganized and cleaned up by someone with far better writing and editing skills than me...) ;)

The Nairobi Trio is a perfect example of how some people "got" Kovacs and others didn't. People in the latter category often look at the bit and think, "OK, so this one gorilla keeps conking the other gorilla in the head....what's so funny about that?" The sketch is a masterpiece of minimalism and subtlety. It's not that one gorilla keeps bonking the other -- it's the slightly different, ever escalating reactions that Kovacs gives each time he's assaulted. (Something only a genius like Kovacs could convey entirely with body language, his face obscured beneath the rubber gorilla mask.) That, and the fact that the whole thing is impeccably timed and choreographed with the music.
 
Chuck Schodowski, Retired movie host at WJW-FOX 8 in Cleveland, freely admits that Ernie Kovacs was one of his inspirations on his "Hoolihan and Big Chuck Show"..A lot of their skits, especially early on, mimic or outright copy the Kovacs Style. Bob Wells (Hoolihan) did a skit "Readings By Robert" ..That was a dead on spoof of Kovacs' "Percy Dovetonsils"
 
Kovacs, genius


The comedy was a bit surreal (even more so that it was in the 50's), and groundbreaking.

The nairobi trio masks are on display at the Smithsonian, I was very shocked and gratified when I saw them!

And, a great character actor, in Bell Book and Candle he was hilarious, same for North to Alaska.

What could have been....
 
Legend City said:
Kovacs, genius


The comedy was a bit surreal (even more so that it was in the 50's), and groundbreaking.

The nairobi trio masks are on display at the Smithsonian, I was very shocked and gratified when I saw them!

And, a great character actor, in Bell Book and Candle he was hilarious, same for North to Alaska.

What could have been....

I think "Bell, Book and Candle" is my favorite Kovacs role. Also like "It Happened to Jane" -- he's really over the top in that one, but it works. He was becoming a really good character actor when he died.

It's interesting that he was originally supposed to play the Sid Caesar role in "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World." Makes sense, as he would have been paired with Edie. Now that I know this, I can kind of picture him in the part -- I think his characterization would have been a bit less manic than Caesar's, though.
 
Legend City said:
And, a great character actor, in Bell Book and Candle he was hilarious, same for North to Alaska.

...my own favourite of Kovacs' movies is Wake Me When It's Over with Dick Shawn and Jack Warden. Funny premise to begin with (essentially a "Bilko" idea on steroids) and a dynamite cast, but at the time of release it was panned for being overlong (2 hours and 6 minutes, it's still over a reel shorter than Sinatra's Ocean's Eleven). Still, it's a movie that's always better than you recall it being (unlike The Pink Panther, which is NEVER as ood as you recall it being)...

...and he also was a frequent guest panelist on "What's My Line?," taking the seat Fred Allen left open when he died. There was one particularly funny game in which Kovacs made a lot of headway but never quite nailed it, all the while chewing on a cigar the size of a billy club. It turned out that the contestant was a cigar maker for White Owl!...
 
Ultimajock said:
...and he also was a frequent guest panelist on "What's My Line?," taking the seat Fred Allen left open when he died. There was one particularly funny game in which Kovacs made a lot of headway but never quite nailed it, all the while chewing on a cigar the size of a billy club. It turned out that the contestant was a cigar maker for White Owl!...

Would have been even more ironic if the guy had made Dutch Masters. :D Of course, Ernie only smoked Dutch Masters in his commercials -- in real life, he smoked top-grade Havanas. And, at 20 or so per day, that was an expensive habit, indeed.

Funniest Kovacs anecdote I ever read.....when we was working on "Our Man in Havana," he formed an unlikely friendship with Alec Guinness. One day, Guinness goes to Kovacs' hotel room and finds the door open. He walks in and sees Kovacs, "a huge cigar jammed in his mouth" (naturally), madly pounding on a typewriter working on TV sketch ideas. Seated around the room, in various states of repose, are three gorgeous women....all naked as a jaybird. Guinness offered to close the door, but Ernie demurred. "If you close the door, people will think, 'Oh, Kovacs is in there with three naked broads,' and their imaginations will run wild and they will think the worst. This way, with the door open, anyone can come by and see for themselves that it's all perfectly innocent."
 
Stanislav said:
Would have been even more ironic if the guy had made Dutch Masters. :D Of course, Ernie only smoked Dutch Masters in his commercials -- in real life, he smoked top-grade Havanas. And, at 20 or so per day, that was an expensive habit, indeed.

I've wondered at times if Kovacs hadn't died in an auto accident if he would have died early from cancer because of his heavy cigar smoking. I know cigar smokers don't generally inhale, but they do have more cases of throat and mouth cancer.
 
anotherguy said:
Stanislav said:
Would have been even more ironic if the guy had made Dutch Masters. :D Of course, Ernie only smoked Dutch Masters in his commercials -- in real life, he smoked top-grade Havanas. And, at 20 or so per day, that was an expensive habit, indeed.

I've wondered at times if Kovacs hadn't died in an auto accident if he would have died early from cancer because of his heavy cigar smoking. I know cigar smokers don't generally inhale, but they do have more cases of throat and mouth cancer.

Just wondering: How long did Groucho Marx live, and how old was he when he stopped smoking cigars, if he ever did?
???
 
RicoGregg said:
anotherguy said:
Stanislav said:
Would have been even more ironic if the guy had made Dutch Masters. :D Of course, Ernie only smoked Dutch Masters in his commercials -- in real life, he smoked top-grade Havanas. And, at 20 or so per day, that was an expensive habit, indeed.

I've wondered at times if Kovacs hadn't died in an auto accident if he would have died early from cancer because of his heavy cigar smoking. I know cigar smokers don't generally inhale, but they do have more cases of throat and mouth cancer.

Just wondering: How long did Groucho Marx live, and how old was he when he stopped smoking cigars, if he ever did?
???

Groucho lived to be 86 and, AFAIK, he never stopped. He did seem to cut down in later years. Don't forget old George Burns, who lived to be 100 in spite of his stogies. (Interviewer: "What does your doctor think about you smoking cigars?" Burns: "My doctor's dead.")
 
Stanislav said:
Ultimajock said:
...and he also was a frequent guest panelist on "What's My Line?," taking the seat Fred Allen left open when he died. There was one particularly funny game in which Kovacs made a lot of headway but never quite nailed it, all the while chewing on a cigar the size of a billy club. It turned out that the contestant was a cigar maker for White Owl!...

Would have been even more ironic if the guy had made Dutch Masters. :D Of course, Ernie only smoked Dutch Masters in his commercials -- in real life, he smoked top-grade Havanas. And, at 20 or so per day, that was an expensive habit, indeed.

...but it would be White Owl that Edie Adams would make TV commercials for in the '60s that allowed her to pay off Ernie's posthumous tax owings to the IRS...
 
Ultimajock said:
Stanislav said:
Ultimajock said:
...and he also was a frequent guest panelist on "What's My Line?," taking the seat Fred Allen left open when he died. There was one particularly funny game in which Kovacs made a lot of headway but never quite nailed it, all the while chewing on a cigar the size of a billy club. It turned out that the contestant was a cigar maker for White Owl!...

Would have been even more ironic if the guy had made Dutch Masters. :D Of course, Ernie only smoked Dutch Masters in his commercials -- in real life, he smoked top-grade Havanas. And, at 20 or so per day, that was an expensive habit, indeed.

...but it would be White Owl that Edie Adams would make TV commercials for in the '60s that allowed her to pay off Ernie's posthumous tax owings to the IRS...


Actually, it was Muriel cigars Edie pitched, not White Owl.

There's one commercial on YouTube (apparently the others have been removed by the copyright police). The one remaining is the most elaborate she ever did, playing all three parts in a faux singing group. :)
 
Ultimajock said:
Legend City said:
And, a great character actor, in Bell Book and Candle he was hilarious, same for North to Alaska.

...my own favourite of Kovacs' movies is Wake Me When It's Over with Dick Shawn and Jack Warden. Funny premise to begin with (essentially a "Bilko" idea on steroids) and a dynamite cast, but at the time of release it was panned for being overlong (2 hours and 6 minutes, it's still over a reel shorter than Sinatra's Ocean's Eleven). Still, it's a movie that's always better than you recall it being (unlike The Pink Panther, which is NEVER as ood as you recall it being)...

...and he also was a frequent guest panelist on "What's My Line?," taking the seat Fred Allen left open when he died. There was one particularly funny game in which Kovacs made a lot of headway but never quite nailed it, all the while chewing on a cigar the size of a billy club. It turned out that the contestant was a cigar maker for White Owl!...

In his book about "What's My Line?" Gil Fates recalled an incident which I might have mentioned before, but this is as good a place as any to repeat it. One Sunday night the Mystery Guest was Henry J. Kaiser, of Kaiser automobile fame. When it came Kovacs' turn to question he said, "It has been established, Mystery Guest, that you have an automobile named after you. (slight pause) Now this is just a wild guess, but by any chance could you be Abraham Lincoln?"

The audience breaks up. When quiet is restored Kovacs says, "I'm sorry, sir, I didn't hear your answer."

Fates said he used Kovacs 10 weeks out of 13 in the summer of 1957 and thought he had a new fourth permanent panelist, Fred Allen having died the year before. But Kovacs was already planning to move to California.
 
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