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ESPN 98.7 FM to be no more come August 31, 2024

If we get Black Gospel music on 98.7 FM by the end of August, then it will compete with 95.5 K-Love and 93.5 Vida Unida.

With three Urban Stations slogan are:

107.5 WBLS "#1 for R&B"
Hot 97 "#1 for Hip-Hop"
98.7 WLIB "#1 for Gospel"

So Mediaco and Emmis will be sold to Urban One (like TV One).
Any gospel format on FM on a NYC-based signal would only compete with WPLJ, and to a lesser extent WAWZ.

And when you think about it, this makes sense: Emmis should package both 1190 AM and 98.7 FM to one buyer. If it's Urban One and/or MediaCo, they can move WLIB's gospel format to 98.7 with local elements and make 1190 urban talk.
 
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Any gospel format on FM on a NYC-based signal would only compete with WPLJ, and to a lesser extent WAWZ.

And when you think about it, this makes sense. Emmis packages both 1190 AM and 98.7 FM to one buyer. If it's Urban One and/or MediaCo, they can move WLIB's gospel format to 98.7 with local elements and make 1190 urban talk.
Urban Gospel ala WLIB on FM and Christian AC ala WPLJ and WAWZ have little to no overlap. Both play Christian Music, but one's target is Women 25-54 the other predominantly African American audiences 55+. There's a reason the only markets that have Gospel on FM are predominantly African American. New York DOES NOT have the right demos for it. An operator would make more money in New York playing Beautiful Music.

Also keep in mind even the likes of Radio One are diversifying their holdings. They realize they need broader audiences to maintain revenue. They have top rated Country stations in Houston and Indianapolis now. The days of them only programming to their core audience is over.
 
Unless they can sell their TV holdings, I don't see them making a major acquisition now. They still have to close the Houston deal and finance the start-up there.
Assuming installment payments have been made on time, SBS has paid down $3.9M of the $7.5M purchase of KROI in Houston, with closing supposedly on July 1. Absolutely no word yet on what the new format will be, or if anything has been done in setting up the local operation. The SBS TV deal failed while they were in the process of buying KROI from the divestiture trust set up by Radio One, robbing them of expected funds to pay for the station.
 
Let's hope no one flips Hot 97 or BLS being that they are both heritage. Pair Hot, BLS, and 98.7 with WLIB and sell them to one owner. It would make the most sense. Make 98.7 a Throwback R&B station to keep it consistent with the other stations in that cluster.
SBS probably doesn't want to buy WBLS anyway. Hot 97 is what they are after because, despite being in English, they do well with Hispanic demos.

SBS has tried and failed to start their own programming aimed at second-generation Hispanics, so they're aiming for an established brand to do it with.
 
Let's hope no one flips Hot 97 or BLS being that they are both heritage. Pair Hot, BLS, and 98.7 with WLIB and sell them to one owner. It would make the most sense. Make 98.7 a Throwback R&B station to keep it consistent with the other stations in that cluster.
"Throwback" is not the appropriate term for classic R&B. And such a station would be inconsistent in this scenario because it would partially overlap with WBLS.
 
"Throwback" is not the appropriate term for classic R&B. And such a station would be inconsistent in this scenario because it would partially overlap with WBLS.
What is the dividing line between classic R&B and throwback R&B? Is it '80s and before vs. '90s to '10s? Pre-mainstreaming of hip-hop vs. since? Pre-Janet Jackson or pre-Boyz II Men vs. since? Or is it strictly based on the overall "sound" of the individual songs on the playlist, year of release notwithstanding?
 
"Throwback" is not the appropriate term for classic R&B. And such a station would be inconsistent in this scenario because it would partially overlap with WBLS.
They're one and the same depending on the demo using the terminology. In radio format terms both would be "R&B Oldies" And correct in that all it would do is skew old and hurt WBLS.

Under no circumstances can the listener pool between WQHT, WBLS, WWPR, and WXBK be split any further. In reality there's really only room for three stations targeting African American audiences in New York. The Block peeled off older demos from Hot & Power and now you have three stations hovering around a 2 share.
 
They're one and the same depending on the demo using the terminology. In radio format terms both would be "R&B Oldies" And correct in that all it would do is skew old and hurt WBLS.

Under no circumstances can the listener pool between WQHT, WBLS, WWPR, and WXBK be split any further. In reality there's really only room for three stations targeting African American audiences in New York. The Block peeled off older demos from Hot & Power and now you have three stations hovering around a 2 share.
And you have the fact that Hot does as well with Hispanics as it does with Blacks and is closer to being a crossover general market station.
 
SBS probably doesn't want to buy WBLS anyway. Hot 97 is what they are after because, despite being in English, they do well with Hispanic demos.

SBS has tried and failed to start their own programming aimed at second-generation Hispanics, so they're aiming for an established brand to do it with.
And Hot comes with former SBS national programmer Pio Ferro who is, of course, Hispanic.
 
Let's hope no one flips Hot 97 or BLS being that they are both heritage. Pair Hot, BLS, and 98.7 with WLIB and sell them to one owner. It would make the most sense. Make 98.7 a Throwback R&B station to keep it consistent with the other stations in that cluster.
Why would i hope that ?? i dont listen to either of them....rather have a sponsored by FD or DK gambling station.
Could get VSIN shows etc. thatd be cool.
 
They're one and the same depending on the demo using the terminology. In radio format terms both would be "R&B Oldies" And correct in that all it would do is skew old and hurt WBLS.
Like many format terms, they are vague and can cover fairly wide ranges of things like current quantity and rotation, nimbler and age of gold and each station’s own presentation.
 
Why would i hope that ?? i dont listen to either of them....rather have a sponsored by FD or DK gambling station.
Could get VSIN shows etc. thatd be cool.
Um, no. Only chance of that happening here is if Audacy decides to split the WFAN simulcast and puts sports/gambling talk on 660 AM full-time.

Let's stick with realistic scenarios, please.
 
What is the dividing line between classic R&B and throwback R&B? Is it '80s and before vs. '90s to '10s? Pre-mainstreaming of hip-hop vs. since? Pre-Janet Jackson or pre-Boyz II Men vs. since? Or is it strictly based on the overall "sound" of the individual songs on the playlist, year of release notwithstanding?
Personally, I associate the term "throwback" more with Hip-Hop. In the mid-'90s, East Coast (primarily NYC-area) rap artists often wore classic sports jerseys, aka throwbacks. This was also the "Hoodies and Timbs" era, as I like to call it. But, as with all Hip-Hop lexicon, it has crossed over into the mainstream.

But to your point: I think a bigger, meatier question is when did R&B stop sounding like traditional R&B and more like Hip-Hop? Once we can figure that one out, then we can determine the dividing point between pure R&B eras.
 
They're one and the same depending on the demo using the terminology. In radio format terms both would be "R&B Oldies" And correct in that all it would do is skew old and hurt WBLS.

Under no circumstances can the listener pool between WQHT, WBLS, WWPR, and WXBK be split any further. In reality there's really only room for three stations targeting African American audiences in New York. The Block peeled off older demos from Hot & Power and now you have three stations hovering around a 2 share.
I think throwbacks typically refers to what one hears on WXBK amd the term classic soul is more common than classic r&b. Soul was used much more in the 80s and makes me think of The whispers or Motown. Throwbacks is Janet Jackson. Just my take...also given current ppm showings, it looks like 4 urban stations are alot for NYC but I'll point out that many largely African American cities have very low rated urban stations. Plus NYC urban stations do not only attract african Americans. WQHT also attracts whites and hispanics.
 
But to your point: I think a bigger, meatier question is when did R&B stop sounding like traditional R&B and more like Hip-Hop? Once we can figure that one out, then we can determine the dividing point between pure R&B eras.
Based on this comment I can ascertain that most likely you're over the age of 50. There is no such things as a "Pure" era. Every person has a different viewpoint of music from their entry point. There is likely someone out there who things Sisqo's "Thong Song" is the pinnacle of R&B. They're opinion is valid, simply because it is opinion. To a 20 something this could be the greatest era of pop music because its all they know and they love it.

I think throwbacks typically refers to what one hears on WXBK amd the term classic soul is more common than classic r&b. Soul was used much more in the 80s and makes me think of The whispers or Motown. Throwbacks is Janet Jackson.
That's through marketing and brand perception. Let's say iHeartMedia, Audacy, Spotify, Netflix, Tik Tok, Apple and the record labels make a deal with all their sponsors and to decide to rename Hip-Hop as "Bing Bong" on . Eventually it will catch on with people as its pushed down.

Technically the term "Throwback" is trademarked for radio use by the 80/90s Classic Hits syndicated show "Throwback Nation Radio".

The only reason Top 40 was renamed CHR was because that's what Radio & Records used. In 2020, I stopped using the term "Urban" as a format descriptor due to its historical racist connotations on RadioInsight and my classifications of Hip Hop/R&B and Adult R&B as the format descriptors have started to take hold across the industry

NYC urban stations do not only attract african Americans. WQHT also attracts whites and hispanics.
Yes they do, but in most cases they are not the target sales demographics. WQHT and WXBK do have a broader sales reach, but with their low ratings there isn't much of a coalition audience there to sell at the moment hence my comment earlier about their being one too many stations targeting the available audience.
 
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