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Evaluation of Miami Radio

I was just in Miami a couple of days ago and did a quick survey of the radio market there. Lots of Spanish language (makes sense) formats, many News Talk outlets, a few urban & hip-hop places, ONE COUNTRY AND ONE CLASSIC ROCK STATION (totally unacceptable, if you ask me) but I didn't find the one format I was sure Miami would have...AAA! And you call yourselves a progressive city...HA!
 
> I was just in Miami a couple of days ago and did a quick
> survey of the radio market there. Lots of Spanish language
> (makes sense) formats, many News Talk outlets, a few urban &
> hip-hop places, ONE COUNTRY AND ONE CLASSIC ROCK STATION
> (totally unacceptable, if you ask me) but I didn't find the
> one format I was sure Miami would have...AAA! And you call
> yourselves a progressive city...HA!
>

I'm not sure, but I think Miami used to have AAA. ZTA?<P ID="signature">______________
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ONE COUNTRY AND ONE CLASSIC ROCK STATION
> > (totally unacceptable, if you ask me) but I didn't find

That is all the market can support of both formats. I spent a week down there a month ago and Kiss Country was my main station but they basically have a monopoly unless you go into nothern Broward and Palm Beach counties.


> the one format I was sure Miami would have...AAA! And you call
> > yourselves a progressive city...HA!
> >
>
> I'm not sure, but I think Miami used to have AAA. ZTA?
>

I do not think they went the AAA route but were alternative/modern rock for a while.

I also think that a progressive city title should not be based on whether a certain format exists on the dial.
 
> I was just in Miami a couple of days ago and did a quick
> survey of the radio market there. Lots of Spanish language
> (makes sense) formats, many News Talk outlets, a few urban &
> hip-hop places, ONE COUNTRY AND ONE CLASSIC ROCK STATION
> (totally unacceptable, if you ask me) but I didn't find the
> one format I was sure Miami would have...AAA! And you call
> yourselves a progressive city...HA!

I'm a lot more concerned that there's no jazz station (unless you count smooth jazz or a public access station WDNA way out in the sticks), no oldies station (Majic starts at about '64), and no classical station.

Even worse, we have hardly any local talk and CC owns 30+ stations in the area covering the Keys to the Treasure Coast. We have an educational station (WLRN) that would rather play NPR talk shows and BBC news than deal with the interests of the community. And too msny pirates.

BTW, you missed CC's country station in south Dade on 100.3.

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
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> ONE COUNTRY AND ONE CLASSIC ROCK STATION
> > > (totally unacceptable, if you ask me) but I didn't find
>
> That is all the market can support of both formats. I spent
> a week down there a month ago and Kiss Country was my main
> station but they basically have a monopoly unless you go
> into nothern Broward and Palm Beach counties.
>
>
> > the one format I was sure Miami would have...AAA! And you
> call
> > > yourselves a progressive city...HA!
> > >
> >
> > I'm not sure, but I think Miami used to have AAA. ZTA?
> >
>
> I do not think they went the AAA route but were
> alternative/modern rock for a while.
>
> I also think that a progressive city title should not be
> based on whether a certain format exists on the dial.
>

Wasn't me who said that, but I agree with you. How many classic rock and country stations do you need anyway?<P ID="signature">______________
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> > I was just in Miami a couple of days ago and did a quick
> > survey of the radio market there. Lots of Spanish
> language
> > (makes sense) formats, many News Talk outlets, a few urban
> &
> > hip-hop places, ONE COUNTRY AND ONE CLASSIC ROCK STATION
> > (totally unacceptable, if you ask me) but I didn't find
> the
> > one format I was sure Miami would have...AAA! And you
> call
> > yourselves a progressive city...HA!
>
> I'm a lot more concerned that there's no jazz station
> (unless you count smooth jazz or a public access station
> WDNA way out in the sticks), no oldies station (Majic starts
> at about '64), and no classical station.
>
Isn't there "Love FM" as smooth jazz on 93.9 FM or something?

Most mainstream oldies stations don't play pre 64 stuff. Actually, Majic still plays a lot of music many other oldies stations wouldn't play now.

I guess there is no more classical. Was 1360 WKAT the last one?
>
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> > I'm a lot more concerned that there's no jazz station
> > (unless you count smooth jazz or a public access station
> > WDNA way out in the sticks), no oldies station (Majic
> starts
> > at about '64), and no classical station.
> >
> Isn't there "Love FM" as smooth jazz on 93.9 FM or
> something?

That's what I said: "unless you count smooth jazz"

To paraphrase Mark Twain, the difference between jazz and smooth jazz is like the difference between lightning and a lightning bug.

> Most mainstream oldies stations don't play pre 64 stuff.
> Actually, Majic still plays a lot of music many other oldies
> stations wouldn't play now.
> I guess there is no more classical. Was 1360 WKAT the last
> one?

Yes:

WVCG-AM & -FM until 1967

WTMI (FM) March 1971 - 12/31/2001
http://www.univox.com/radio/wtmi1971.html
http://www.univox.com/radio/wtmi30th.html
http://www.univox.com/radio/wtmidead.html

WKAT (AM) Sept 2002 - Jan 2005

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
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>
> Wasn't me who said that, but I agree with you. How many
> classic rock and country stations do you need anyway?
>

How many Spanish, urban and hip hop stations does one area need? Yeesh.
 
> > Wasn't me who said that, but I agree with you. How many
> > classic rock and country stations do you need anyway?
> >
> How many Spanish, urban and hip hop stations does one area
> need? Yeesh.

Good answer. Besides, since when is it desirable to be progressive?

A metropolitan area that supports four professional sports teams but no classical music station is still just a small town.

73s from 954
<P ID="signature">______________
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> >
> > Wasn't me who said that, but I agree with you. How many
> > classic rock and country stations do you need anyway?
> >
>
> How many Spanish, urban and hip hop stations does one area
> need? Yeesh.
>

The market "needs" as many of any format as will generate ratings and billing for the stations.

In the case of the Miami MSA, nearly 45% of the population is Hispanic and more than 80% are Spanish dominant or Bilingual with Spanish as their main langauge.
 
Let's see:

Spanish Pop
Spanish traditional
Spanish news
Spanish hits
Spanish AC
Spanish Talkradio
Spanish Sports Radio
Spanish mariachi
Spanish-Carribean
Spanish-Cuban
Spanish Oldies

I guess since all these are not in South Florida, a few more Spanish language formats are needed.

Adios


> How many Spanish stations does one area
> need? Yeesh.
>
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> > > Wasn't me who said that, but I agree with you. How many
> > > classic rock and country stations do you need anyway?
> > >
> > How many Spanish, urban and hip hop stations does one area
>
> > need? Yeesh.
>
> Good answer. Besides, since when is it desirable to be
> progressive?
>
> A metropolitan area that supports four professional sports
> teams but no classical music station is still just a small
> town.
>
> 73s from 954
>
Maybe one of those multitudes of Spanish stations that are not billing up to expectations should consider switching to a classical format. Just think...en Vivo Beethoven!
 
> I was just in Miami a couple of days ago and did a quick
> survey of the radio market there. Lots of Spanish language
> (makes sense) formats, many News Talk outlets, a few urban &
> hip-hop places, ONE COUNTRY AND ONE CLASSIC ROCK STATION
> (totally unacceptable, if you ask me) but I didn't find the
> one format I was sure Miami would have...AAA! And you call
> yourselves a progressive city...HA!
>
Why in the world would Miami need more then one Country station??
Classic Rock till recently wasn't fairing too well in the ratings either. Besides, most major markets only have one Classic rock station. If anything, Miami needs a true Modern Rock station, which is something that Zeta never was even when it pretended to be one.

A Dance leaning station, a Modern Rocker, and a noncommercial outlet playing Jazz and Classical instead of Religious music would serve Miami well.
 
> In the case of the Miami MSA, nearly 45% of the population
> is Hispanic and more than 80% are Spanish dominant or
> Bilingual with Spanish as their main langauge.

But the Miami-Fort Lauderdale MARKET includes stations licensed to cities in Broward such as Hollywood (WLQY), Fort Lauderdale (WHYI, WMIB, WSRF, WBGG, WRMA), Davie (WAVS), and Pompano Beach (WHSR, WWNN, WMXJ).

And those statistics don't apply there!

Maybe that 80% applies to the City of Miami. Certainly not Dade County.

Meanwhile, we also need:

Americana
Big Band/Swing (like WDBF was)
Bluegrass (like WSWN was)
Classical (like WTMI was)
Country Traditional/Oldies
Disco (like WMGE was)
Doo-Wop and 50s Oldies (like WBSS was)
Indian (like WHSR on Saturdays)
Jazz Fusion
Jazz Traditional
Jewish (like WLVJ on Sundays)
Music of Your Life (like WLQY was)
Reggae
Talk - Non-Syndicated/Local (like WFTL and WKAT were)

... and that's just off the top of my head.

73s from 954



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> > > > Wasn't me who said that, but I agree with you. How
> many
> > > > classic rock and country stations do you need anyway?
> > > >
> > > How many Spanish, urban and hip hop stations does one
> area
> >
> > > need? Yeesh.
> >
> > Good answer. Besides, since when is it desirable to be
> > progressive?
> >
> > A metropolitan area that supports four professional sports
>
> > teams but no classical music station is still just a small
>
> > town.
> >
> > 73s from 954
> >
> Maybe one of those multitudes of Spanish stations that are
> not billing up to expectations should consider switching to
> a classical format. Just think...en Vivo Beethoven!
>


Ya'll don't seem to get it...as long as the Spanish stations BILL (as in revenue) there will be no changes. Let's see...there's only 2 AC's, 2 Rockers, 1 mainstream CHR, 1 rhythmic CHR, 1 Oldies, 1 Country, 1 Jazz and no frequencies left. Who's going to dump a mainstream format for AAA or any other fringe format. Not CC, Cox or Beasely (or Jeff/Pilot for that matter). Of course, once HD AM arrives, you'll have 10 or so signals available for "fringe" formats with CD quality on AM. HD has the potential to save tradional radio from ourselves.
 
> > In the case of the Miami MSA, nearly 45% of the population
>
> > is Hispanic and more than 80% are Spanish dominant or
> > Bilingual with Spanish as their main langauge.
>
> But the Miami-Fort Lauderdale MARKET includes stations
> licensed to cities in Broward such as Hollywood (WLQY), Fort
> Lauderdale (WHYI, WMIB, WSRF, WBGG, WRMA), Davie (WAVS), and
> Pompano Beach (WHSR, WWNN, WMXJ).

Sorry, I may have not been clear enough. 80% of the Hispanics are Spanish dominant or Spanish primary.

>
> Americana

Only works in a few markets, not ones that are over 50% ethnic.

> Big Band/Swing (like WDBF was)

Too old to make money. Also no ethnic appeal.

> Bluegrass (like WSWN was)

Works nowhere, for all practical purposes.

> Classical (like WTMI was)

Unless non-com, no way at today's prices.

> Country Traditional/Oldies

Modern country barely survives. traditional only works in heavy coutry markets, and not too well in most cases.

> Disco (like WMGE was)

Except for NY, where there are 2 million Puerto Ricans, works nowhere.

> Doo-Wop and 50s Oldies (like WBSS was)

I do not think this works anywhere, either.

> Indian (like WHSR on Saturdays)

As in tamil or Hindi? Or Mikosukee?

> Jazz Fusion
> Jazz Traditional

No jazz works anywhere in the US except Love 94 type jazz.

> Jewish (like WLVJ on Sundays)

Even quit working in NY, which is why the station was sold.

> Music of Your Life (like WLQY was)

No money.

> Reggae

Not one in the US. Not one even 100% in Jamaica.

> Talk - Non-Syndicated/Local (like WFTL and WKAT were)

WAQI and WQBA are local talk.
 
> >
> Maybe one of those multitudes of Spanish stations that are
> not billing up to expectations should consider switching to
> a classical format. Just think...en Vivo Beethoven!
>

I don't know of a single AM classical that is successful in the US. And the Spanish language FMs are all billing very big figures and are quite profitable. So the probablility of this happening is less than zero.
 
HD has the potential to save
> tradional radio from ourselves.
>


I'm not too sure I'd wholeheartedly agree with you on that statement. I am a firm believer that good programming and aggressive marketing can turn a station around. The sad part is that too many station owners are not interested in making a good radio station. For any owners reading this (unsolicited opinion coming) if you create a good station and tell folks, listeners (with Arbitron diaries) will come.
 
My parents like "Beautiful Music." After WVCG changed their format, WOCN-AM picked up beautiful music but with Spanish language deejays and spots. My parents are Jews from NYC and do not speak any Spanish, but listened to WOCN because they liked the music.

So maybe Miami can get Classical music with Spanish personalities and spots. I hope the jocks will have a cultured Castillian accent though.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Let's see:
>
> Spanish Pop
> Spanish traditional
> Spanish news
> Spanish hits
> Spanish AC
> Spanish Talkradio
> Spanish Sports Radio
> Spanish mariachi
> Spanish-Carribean
> Spanish-Cuban
> Spanish Oldies

You left out Spanish Romantic and Spanish Mexican, both of which we have.

> I guess since all these are not in South Florida, a few more
> Spanish language formats are needed.
>
> Adios
>
>
> > How many Spanish stations does one area
> > need? Yeesh.
> >
>
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