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EXCELLENT WWL INTERVIEW WITH THE MAYOR RAY NAGIN

Re: Point-Counterpoint

> > As a public official, he also shoulders blame. He's
> > deflecting blame, if anything.
> >
> > Ray Nagin is, hands down, one of the worst mayors in the
> > country, even before Katrina hit. Under his watch, crime
> > has spiraled out of control, and the living conditions of
> > his consistuents (read: poor inner city blacks) have
> > deteriorated.
> >
> > I know he's upset, but listening to this interview, he's
> > losing all credibility. He sounds like a street thug
> ("man,
> > I need this, man I need that).
> >
> > He should be shouldering some of the blame.
> >
> > G
> >
> And you should get off your high horse and look at what has
> really happened in NO. It is a national disgrace and makes
> one ashamed to be an American. The mayor said exactly what
> should have been said. Pleading for help for one's people
> does not make one a street thug--especially after several
> days of trying it the diplomatic way yielded no results.
> Already, the Bush administration has, hands down, been
> caught in a number of lies. This is a sad, tragic time for
> our nation.
>

I'm not ashamed to be an American. That's your personal issue.

Pleading for help doesn't make him a thug. Losing his demeanor shows the world how ineffective a leader he is. His choice of words made him sound thug-ish.

Care to comment how Nagin took tourists from the Hyatt to the Superdome to catch busses...and moved them to the FRONT of the line, forsaking his own constituents?

High horse? Nope. I just call it as I see it. I'm still using my MIND, and not letting emotion cloud my thinking. Sadly, so many in this country have decided to let emotion take over their thinking.

G
 
Re: Point-Counterpoint

> Pleading for help doesn't make him a thug. Losing his
> demeanor shows the world how ineffective a leader he is.
> His choice of words made him sound thug-ish.

If this came from a Republican white guy, you guys would be saying he's a real man... sounds like a general in the US Army barking orders to get the job done. But instead we get Mayor Nagin described as "thug-ish." Hmmm....

Yelling and screaming actually FINALLY got the attention of the idiots in Washington, particularly the completely incompetent FEMA director who, when not busy patting himself on the back for a job "well done" has the nerve to tell us Nagin's SOS was the first he heard of the issue at the Convention Center and that they couldn't easily get there.

Well, NBC News had no problems getting there, and apparently FEMA doesn't have TV sets because they were airing the situation there for more than 24 hours before the FEMA Bozo "found out."
 
Re: Hush guru

Losing his demeanor shows the world how ineffective a leader he is. His choice of words made him sound thug-ish.

<font color=3333ff>No it doesn't!!!!!!! Politicians play GAMES for the media. They always put on a "happy face."

His choice of words and approach came across to everyone as a REAL PERSON. NOT as a politician. Bottom line. HE CAME ACROSS AS A REAL PERSON. NO MORE GAME PLAYING IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA. And this is the reason why this interview is getting the most praise from EVERYONE. (except you)

Nagin decided to break the rules and actually be a VOICE for the PEOPLE. Enough of playing the political GAME. I'd be PISSED if he continued playing the game by saying "the governmnt says help is their way, be patient" or "the government says that help is on the way... have trust in them."

I'd be sooooooooo pissed! THAT is how politicians play GAMES for the media. I think it's more personal for you...as you probably lived in N.O. or been affected by the lower class in some way. This will be my last explanation on this topic. EVERYONE else praises this interview.</font>
 
The Giuliani canard

> That mayor is certainly no Rudy Guiliani, is he???

Without in any way attempting to minimize what happened on 9/11 or the pain and suffering it caused, or the strong leadership Giuliani provided, I think Nagin has a hell of a lot more on his hands than Giuliani did in the aftermath of the WTC attacks.

As emotionally traumatizing as the destruction of the World Trade Center was, its immediate effects were also extremely localized and concentrated. Unless you were one of the relatively small number of New Yorkers who live in the Financial District/Battery Park City area (I'm guessing here that we're talking at most 30 or 40,000 people), if you weren't killed in the attack itself, you had a bed to sleep in, food to eat, electricity and communications on the night of September 11, 2001. And the residents who were left homeless after the attack were, for the most part, well-off, in no immediate health crises, and were quickly able to find alternate housing.

What's more, Lower Manhattan is an exceptionally easy area to secure - stop the subways running and block off a dozen or so north-south avenues, and the area's sealed off. The NYPD, furthermore, is a much larger, much better-funded and arguably better-trained agency than the NOPD ever was or could have been.

By the time 24 hours had elapsed since the planes flew into the WTC, the immediate crisis was contained within an area of a few dozen city blocks that had been completely cleared of people. There was no public health crisis, no hordes of tens of thousands of homeless people, and the communications systems were all working. Everything beyond that point was just cleanup - an immensely complex and difficult cleanup, to be sure, but cleanup nonetheless.

By the time 24 hours had elapsed since Katrina slammed New Orleans, the problems Ray Nagin faced were just beginning. <P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Point-Counterpoint

> I'm not ashamed to be an American. That's your personal
> issue.
>
I'm not ashamed of being an American, either. I am ashamed, however, of having a President who runs the country for his own benefit, rather than the benefit of the people, which makes us look bad on the world stage.
 
Re: Hush Guru (Umm...no)

> Losing his demeanor shows the world how ineffective a leader
> he is. His choice of words made him sound thug-ish.
>
> No it doesn't!!!!!!! Politicians play GAMES for the media.
> They always put on a "happy face."
>
> His choice of words and approach came across to everyone as
> a REAL PERSON. NOT as a politician. Bottom line. HE CAME
> ACROSS AS A REAL PERSON. NO MORE GAME PLAYING IN FRONT OF
> THE CAMERA. And this is the reason why this interview is
> getting the most praise from EVERYONE. (except you)
>
> Nagin decided to break the rules and actually be a VOICE for
> the PEOPLE. Enough of playing the political GAME. I'd be
> PISSED if he continued playing the game by saying "the
> governmnt says help is their way, be patient" or "the
> government says that help is on the way... have trust in
> them."
>
> I'd be sooooooooo pissed! THAT is how politicians play
> GAMES for the media. I think it's more personal for
> you...as you probably lived in N.O. or been affected by the
> lower class in some way. This will be my last explanation
> on this topic. EVERYONE else praises this interview.
>

We can sit here all day & go back and forth over this issue. It doesn't matter. In the end, these people do need help. I've given money, water & clothing....what have you done, besides put forth your own personal political bias?

Not long ago, the Mods made it clear these boards were for the discussion of radio, not politics. I encourage the mods to police these boards a little more effectively, and lock down topics like this. I recognize my own role in that. At the end of the day, I have my opinions on this issue (so sorry my boy, I won't "hush"), as do all of you. Our bickering on a radio board accomplishes nothing.

G
 
Re: Point-Counterpoint

First of all, Nagin does need to shoulder some of the blame, as does the governor and federal authorities. Knowing that a Catagory 4 hurricane may not make a direct hit on NOLA, but at least cause a significant problem in the metro area, should have been cause for a mandatory evacuation well before it was finally ordered. For that, I blame both the mayor and governor.

That said, Nagin's remarks were appropriate. He sounded like a human being exhuasted, fustrated, with noplace to put looters and other criminals and underhanded...remember, many of the police officers were directly affected with the loss of their homes, displacement of family members, and such. He did give Bush credit for sending General Honore --- a "John Wayne type", he said --- to command the troops there.

There will be plenty of time to find a scapegoat: IMHO is will be the FEMA Director within six months.<P ID="signature">______________
Robert Charles Pickering
Lakeland, Florida</P>
 
> "The media" seems to have lost their patience, also:
> Ted Koppel
> Soledad O'Brien
> Dr. Sanjay Gupta
> ...on camera, they seem to not be satisfied with the
> responses/answers they're getting from (FEMA) officials and
> the like.

I heard Koppel Thursday on "Nightline", and he was clearly getting in some really tough questions and demanding straight answers.
<P ID="signature">______________
Robert Charles Pickering
Lakeland, Florida</P>
 
Re: FOUND IT !

> http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3
>
Awesome. I've been looking all over the internet to hear this interview in its entirety. I got goosebumps listening to it: Raw, gritty, and real.

My respect has plummeted for Dubya and all who are responsible for letting New Orleans founder after the levee broke. Every single person involved in sending/getting help to New Orleans should be held personally responsible for this debacle. And if it's true that FEMA said they just didn't know what was going on...?

The emergency is now almost over, but the Katrina Aftermath in New Orleans is the story of the decade. I want answers as to how this could have happened. I want to know how ANYONE can say they didn't know what to expect; that they were caught unprepared. EVERYONE knows that New Orleans is the most vulnerable city with the most risk for immediate flooding. EVERYONE knew when Katrina came out into the Gulf that conditions were ripe for a 5. The track soon settled on New Orleans. There is too much at stake there to take a wait-and-see attitude. EVERYTHING should have been at the ready. The looting is predictable, the flooding was a strong possibility. The fact that poor people can't evacuate is well-known. What if New Orleans had received the storm surge that Gulfport got?

I am disgusted and angry and fearful at the ineptitude. I want there to be finger-pointing and blame. I want this to be politcal. I want to use every means to keep this story alive so that we might find out who didn't respond and WHY NOT?

I think Ray Nagin's interview on WWL should be heard everyday until there are real answers.
 
Re: FOUND IT !

>
> The emergency is now almost over, but the Katrina Aftermath
> in New Orleans is the story of the decade. I want answers
> as to how this could have happened. I want to know how
> ANYONE can say they didn't know what to expect; that they
> were caught unprepared. EVERYONE knows that New Orleans is
> the most vulnerable city with the most risk for immediate
> flooding. EVERYONE knew when Katrina came out into the Gulf
> that conditions were ripe for a 5. The track soon settled
> on New Orleans. There is too much at stake there to take a
> wait-and-see attitude. EVERYTHING should have been at the
> ready. The looting is predictable, the flooding was a
> strong possibility. The fact that poor people can't
> evacuate is well-known. What if New Orleans had received
> the storm surge that Gulfport got?
>

CNN aired an interview (video and a related article can be found on their site somewhere) with a Times-Picayune reporter who wrote a series of articles about 3 years ago that detailed what would happen if a storm like Katrina ever hit New Orleans. As it turned out, the estimates and predicted he put together were right on the money... nearly prophetic, according to CNN. In spite of it, the officials told CNN they never envisioned a disaster with the magnitude of destruction like this.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/03/katrina.chertoff/index.html
 
Re: Hush Guru (Umm...no)

> We can sit here all day & go back and forth over this issue.
> It doesn't matter. In the end, these people do need help.
> I've given money, water & clothing....what have you done,
> besides put forth your own personal political bias?

<font color=3333ff>I already stated that I have done what I am able to do. Yes, this is a radio board, and you seem to be the only one who dislikes the interview and approach of the Mayor.

I still don't understand how you reached your conclusion of his "losing demeanor" and sounding like "a street thug." To the rest of us, he sounded like a HUMAN BEING.


And as far as you saying in your original Point-Counterpoint post, "Under his watch, crime has spiraled out of control, and the living conditions of his consistuents (read: poor inner city blacks) have deteriorated " you fail to realized that it's his FIRST term, and by the time he got elected, " ....the only federal program that specifically targeted guns and drugs in public housing was eliminated in 2001, shortly after the Bush administration and Congress passed tax cuts totaling $41 billion that year alone. The administration ended the Public Housing Drug Elimination Program, a $310 million-a-year crime prevention effort hailed by Republicans and Democrats alike. "

Nagin has done what he can during his term (i might add his FIRST term), including "launch[ing] an anti-corruption campaign within city government, which included crackdowns on the city's Taxicab Bureau and Utilities Department." I believe that once the evacuees (not refugees) are able to watch the news reports, they will realize that Nagin was the only one SCREAMING to get them help, and he will have much much more support for a new election (if elections will ever happen again in N.O.)

And because this topic is based on a radio issue, these threads are valid. I'm getting the sense you are crying "moderation" simply because this time you are the minority on this issue and are feeling double and tripple teamed.

BTW, there is no difference from "bickering" about a radio interview and status of a public official in leiu of an RADIO interview or "bickering" about a radio station format change or morning show issue on these boards.
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>
> Not long ago, the Mods made it clear these boards were for
> the discussion of radio, not politics. I encourage the mods
> to police these boards a little more effectively, and lock
> down topics like this. I recognize my own role in that. At
> the end of the day, I have my opinions on this issue (so
> sorry my boy, I won't "hush"), as do all of you. Our
> bickering on a radio board accomplishes nothing.
>
> G
>
 
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