Failure Redux

[Bill Drake]

KPHX rising from the ashes like a Phoenix?

Just when you thought it was all over at KPHX (1480AM) in Phoenix, word comes that it could very well return to the airwaves on July 6. This, according to the Phoenix New Times.


http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2009/06/randi_rhodes_returns_to_phoeni.php

Maybe.

Kathleed Osborn, who claims to be the senior account executive with "Phoenix Progressive Radio", sent out an email announcement and media kit to prospective advertising clients and some in the media heralding the return of liberal talk to the Phoenix airwaves.

KPHX's lineup will look something like this:

Bill Press 3-6A
Stephanie Miller 6-9A
Thom Hartman 9A-12P
Randi Rhodes 12-3P
Mike Newcomb 3-6P
Mike Malloy 6-9P
Ed Shultz 9P-Midnight

Now, Stephan Lemons at the New Times is still a little skeptical. But apparently, the venture will be without Sheldon and Anita Drobny. It will be spearheaded by station owner Jose Molina, who will flip the format from adult standards. Readers here will recall that the defunct Nova M Radio moved thier programming to another station, KNUV (1190AM) at the beginning of the year. Nova M burned out in a glorious ball of flames a mere few months later.

So, come July 6 (or even before - or after), we shall find out whether KPHX will once again be Phoenix's progressive talker. Stay tuned.

 

[Legend City]

Wow, the 8 listeners to that kind of radio must be overjoyed

 

[DrAkbar]

What are the Esteemed Middle Eastern Men of the Media to do if they cancel the "two martini lunch" on 14~Eighty? Nurse Jeff and I thought music was the answer to AM's woes, but news of the fourth (10~Ten, 14~Eighty, 11~Ninety and back to 14~Eighty) reincarnation of Err America has us scratching our fuzzy little heads.

 

[Bill Drake]

Classic example of a station that should go dark. along with about 2/3 of the rest of the AMs. then put liberal talk on 620 (like it is in portland) and see what happens.

don't be dense. there is a much larger audience for progressive talk than there is for the bruce jacobs-hugh hewitt-lars larsen-curtis sliwa-sean insanity pukers of the world.

 

[oldiesfan6479]

...then put liberal talk on 620 (like it is in portland) and see what happens.

Just because it's on 620 there is not a reason for it to necessarily be on 620 here.
Besides, KT'R is not going to trash Sports Parking Lot 620 with its MLB/NFL/NBA/
NC2A PBP for the likes of Airhead America.

...there is a much larger audience for progressive talk than there is for the bruce jacobs-hugh hewitt-lars larsen-curtis sliwa-sean insanity pukers of the world.

Closed circuit for "Phil Yarbrough": 1) there isn't, and 2) you forgot to trash El Rushbo!

...but news of the fourth (10~Ten, 14~Eighty, 11~Ninety and back to 14~Eighty) reincarnation of Err America has us scratching our fuzzy little heads.

Doc--shouldn't that be "our fezzy little heads"? ;D

 

[Bill Drake]

Just what I would expect from someone long on partisan rhetoric and short on substance. I don't see where Air America is even part of the equation.

620 is a waste of space, as is all sports programming. Its sole appeal is to armchair couch potatoes ... hmm see anyone you recognize?

People here rail about the death of AM radio yet they refuse to try anything different or new. Begone back to your KOOL recycle bin with its 100 burned out songs.

BTW how may times can you handle "Brown Eyed Girl" before your neurons melt?

Dr. Quakbar's fetish over a lamp timer really says it all about his mental state.

You still cannot refute the fact that where progressive radio is placed on a big stick, it beats or ties with Reich wing gas.

I'll let the thousands who lost their jobs at CC trash Rushbo (Ever since Tom Leykis whipped Rushbo's butt in the '80's, the titular head of the Repubican Party has conducted his freak show from the security of one of the 45 bathrooms in his Palm Beach mansion. )

 

[amfmxm]

Great to see progressive talk back on the air, though FWIW it doesn't appear connected to Air America this time around, unless The Great 148 plugs into the net for weekend fill. Press, Miller, Hartmann, Rhodes, Molloy & Schultz are all independent of AAR--mostly Dial Global or do-it-yourself/tin-can-and-string, I think.

Hard to imagine fans will be thrilled to hear it landing again at KPHX, though, with its marginal day signal and nearly inaudible night signal. (Yeah, it would be great to have 620--or even 910--but that ain't likely to happen).

And it's hard to know whether to be thankful for Dr. Mike (if he's the guy who came up with the cash) or to lament his resurrection (given his well-established talent level). But, hey, that's why they put the buttons on radios. When his voice appears through the speakers, punch over to NPR. And when ATC is done, punch back... if 1480's signal hasn't turned to mush yet.

 

[Bill Drake]

620 or 910 would be nice (especially the latter since it, along with fellow jock talk 1060 are both a total waste of energy) Or even 1230, replacing the colostomy tunes. Let's see. Progressive talk has earned a high rating of around 1.8 here. Not bad considering the station changes addresses or disappears every six months.

A 1.8 share. Now let's see. That ties or beats (or averages) with KOY, KKNT, with their volcanic hate speak, KNRJ (why are they still hanging on?), KEDJ, KAJM. And a 1.8 (fromt the KXXT days) isn't that far from KDKB or even KPKX or KKFR, which all have mid to low 2 shares. And where is 1100???? Unplug it!

Of course the mighty 1480 will be lucky to net a .8 because they are buried by 1510 and fluorescent lights. If they were smart, they would work on increasing their power or moving to the expanded band.

 

[oldiesfan6479]

Dr. Quakbar's fetish over a lamp timer really says it all about his mental state.

I resent that! I'm the one with the lamptimer fetish. ;D

And I think you're confusing "Dr. Quakbar" (clever nick though)
with the guy on 55/FYI Saturday mornings.

 

[noshow]

620 is a waste of space, as is all sports programming. Its sole appeal is to armchair couch potatoes ...

Um, can't this same indictment be made against the mindless, idealogical sycophants that listen to political talk radio, left or right?

 

[amfmxm]

620 or 910 would be nice (especially the latter since it, along with fellow jock talk 1060 are both a total waste of energy) Or even 1230, replacing the colostomy tunes. Let's see. Progressive talk has earned a high rating of around 1.8 here. Not bad considering the station changes addresses or disappears every six months.

A 1.8 share. Now let's see. That ties or beats (or averages) with KOY, KKNT, with their volcanic hate speak, KNRJ (why are they still hanging on?), KEDJ, KAJM. And a 1.8 (fromt the KXXT days) isn't that far from KDKB or even KPKX or KKFR, which all have mid to low 2 shares. And where is 1100???? Unplug it!

Of course the mighty 1480 will be lucky to net a .8 because they are buried by 1510 and fluorescent lights. If they were smart, they would work on increasing their power or moving to the expanded band.

I've always thought 1230 was their (progressive talk radio entrepreneurs) best bet. A mid-dial non-DA killowatt that covers more human beings 24/7 than nearly any directional AM rig this side of 620 (which the Mormons will never sell unless they give up and abandon the desert altogether--which, again, ain't gonna happen in our lifetimes). Most importantly, 1230 is contributing lunch money to CC's Phoenix take, which means it's the one they'd most likely kiss goodbye should anyone approach them with cash money.

But, hey, 1480 wins the Democrat Derby for the moment. And that beats the shit out of trying to listen online while driving... for the moment.

 

[Bill Drake]

620 is a waste of space, as is all sports programming. Its sole appeal is to armchair couch potatoes ...

Um, can't this same indictment be made against the mindless, idealogical sycophants that listen to political talk radio, left or right?

No not really. There is a vast difference in the content of left versus right talk radio. Since the right side of the spectrum has a 95% control factor, I would bet you have spent very little time listening to the left. The right speaks with a sycophantic voice no matter whether they are correct or not. Opinions are free stuff but last I checked there's only one set of facts.

The left speaks with disorganization to the point that it drives me to throw things at my cheap chinese-made radio.

 

[Bill Drake]

[/quote]

I've always thought 1230 was their (progressive talk radio entrepreneurs) best bet. A mid-dial non-DA killowatt that covers more human beings 24/7 than nearly any directional AM rig this side of 620 (which the Mormons will never sell unless they give up and abandon the desert altogether--which, again, ain't gonna happen in our lifetimes). Most importantly, 1230 is contributing lunch money to CC's Phoenix take, which means it's the one they'd most likely kiss goodbye should anyone approach them with cash money.

But, hey, 1480 wins the Democrat Derby for the moment. And that beats the shit out of trying to listen online while driving... for the moment.
[/quote]

I love it. You are 100% correct and the last sentence says what I have been trying to communicate to internet(s) radio fans for months.

 

[Bill Drake]

Dr. Quakbar's fetish over a lamp timer really says it all about his mental state.

I resent that! I'm the one with the lamptimer fetish. ;D

And I think you're confusing "Dr. Quakbar" (clever nick though)
with the guy on 55/FYI Saturday mornings.

Okay so who is the originator of the lamp timer joke?

The first time I ever saw it was here

http://www.reelradio.com/comment/co...ttsdale+AZ,+August+12,+1964~../cjb/index.html

 

[noshow]

No not really. There is a vast difference in the content of left versus right talk radio. Since the right side of the spectrum has a 95% control factor, I would bet you have spent very little time listening to the left. The right speaks with a sycophantic voice no matter whether they are correct or not. Opinions are free stuff but last I checked there's only one set of facts.

The left speaks with disorganization to the point that it drives me to throw things at my cheap chinese-made radio.

Yep, facts are facts. But intelligent people can interpret facts differently. Sadly, no one can any longer agree on what the facts are. That is a fault of left and right.

When you say things like "95% control factor", "The right speaks...", and infer that only one side of the discussion has custody of the facts, it demonstrates my point. You are espousing a monolithic and myopic view. Same for Rush or Air America, just as there is no nuanced, sophosticated, intelligent discussion on these radio stations. And yet people clamor to hear someone on the radio validate their already well established point of view, shielding themselves from any intellectual challenge. You are very right to notice the lack of organization by the left, as that is indeed a fact we can all agree upon, but that doesn't absolve them of myopia.

I'm not sure I have the energy for a thread like the one with you and DE (that was exhausting), but I could not understand the attack on couch potatoes. Or, rather, people that are intelligent enough to make up there own mind about issues, thus giving them the freedom and time to listen to something else. There's plenty of room for a sports station or two, even on FM.

 

[Bill Drake]

No I am saying that if you tally the number of talk radio stations, 95% of the program right wing palaver. That is not nuancing anything. It is a cold hard fact. Facts are not open to interpretation. The media has done an excellent job obscuring reality by presenting a faux view of the "facts." "Let's present both sides," they say. "The other side" of....science? pseudo science? Evolution vs creationism? gravity versus anti-gravity? Heliocentricity versus geocentricity? It goes on and on. But the fact remains that if you are looking for anything other than a right of center viewpoint on the radio (or TV or cable), you are going to have to do some searching.

I detest couch potatoes. They don't even make good french (are we calling them that now or are they still "freedom?") fries.

No more DE threads. It's like dissecting methane.

 

[DrAkbar]

A 1.8 share. Now let's see. That ties or beats (or averages) with KOY, KKNT, with their volcanic hate speak, KNRJ (why are they still hanging on?), KEDJ, KAJM. And a 1.8 (fromt the KXXT days) isn't that far from KDKB or even KPKX or KKFR, which all have mid to low 2 shares. And where is 1100???? Unplug it!

Now let's see...a 1.8 share during the last year of Bash-a-Bush; the highly manipulated diary method of measuring listenership; and Err America/Nova BM's inability to generate sales because their talkers did nothing but mimic Hugo Chavez' love of the U.S. It was a fluke..aint gonna happen again..and this latest incarnation will follow in the footsteps of past failed attempts. And the Nurse and I don't think it matters if the format is on 14~Eighty, 12~Thirty, 9~Sixty or any of those rimshootin' FMs. This aint Portland!

 

[KOHS]

Now let's see...a 1.8 share during the last year of Bash-a-Bush; the highly manipulated diary method of measuring listenership; and Err America/Nova BM's inability to generate sales because their talkers did nothing but mimic Hugo Chavez' love of the U.S. It was a fluke..aint gonna happen again..and this latest incarnation will follow in the footsteps of past failed attempts. And the Nurse and I don't think it matters if the format is on 14~Eighty, 12~Thirty, 9~Sixty or any of those rimshootin' FMs. This aint Portland!

True dat, Dr.!!! Much easier to hug a tree in Portland. Have you ever tried hugging a cactus? Ouch!!

 

[Menlo Bill]

What's the deal with Portland, indeed! Someone shared the monthlys from Portland within the past year and a half and they (KPOJ) actually scored a "0". While its 12+ numbers have generally been enough to rank them as the third most listed to AM in Portland, they've always had a tough time with billing. Technically, KPOJ is the best AM signal in the market and it doesn't seem to make a difference. On the other side of the political airwaves, Portland is home to Lars Larson who has always had a loyal if somewhat smaller audience than Rush who has always done well in that liberal bastion of radical bike riders and Pendleton shirt, Birkenstock wearing aging hippies.

I don't think anything that goes on 1480 here will make a difference. I can't pick it up in beautiful downtown Carefree. (City motto, "Home of the geriatric geezers".) One would think at least one snowbird from Minneapolis would've tried to listen this past winter and spring.

If Air America is going to make a name for itself in the Valley it needs to be on an AM that at least covers the market during the day. Nights don't matter as most of us - even us commies - go to bed at 8:30. And it needs to be consistent for a couple of years at least. That's it from the northeast Valley.

It's cocktail time!

 

[davideduardo]

What's the deal with Portland, indeed! Someone shared the monthlys from Portland within the past year and a half and they (KPOJ) actually scored a "0". While its 12+ numbers have generally been enough to rank them as the third most listed to AM in Portland, they've always had a tough time with billing.

I don't know how you got "monthlies" as Arbitron does not issu monthlies for diary markets; they only have trends each month, consisting of a rolling average of the last 3 months. Every third month, the three 4 week periods become a book. While each book's computer data can be broken into shorter periods, the data is not weighted or reliable.

KPOJ collapsed in the last book, falling outside the top 20, likely due to the problems at the progressive talk syndicators and the natural decline in interest following the election period. Conservative talk, on the other hand, has increased in many cases.