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FCC Proposes Increase in HD Signal Power

I don't think the FM HD rulemaking that's on the table right now is as big a deal as we're all making it out to be.
It seems there was widespread lack of understanding that this a "exploratory" and not proposed rulemaking. I think the FCC is tossing out things that might be options in radio's future. Again, the Commissioners are far more occupied in other areas like cellular, wireless data and the like.
 
Or it could be that ATSC 3.0 keeps their options open, and we're both right!


Oh yeah, I agree, the statutory benefits of OTA TV are great. But if they do decide that OTA is a detriment to their model, they could move everything over to ATSC 3.0 (and even encrypt it) and keep their retransmission and must carry rights (after the laws are adjusted to allow for ATSC 3.0 carriage). That would effectively kill OTA while keeping the legal benefits.

Some ATSC 3.0 TV channels are already being encrypted:
 
It's probably too late in the thread drift for this, but:

I don't think the FM HD rulemaking that's on the table right now is as big a deal as we're all making it out to be.
Speaking for myself, a lot of this discussion involves theory (what-if-thinking) for discussion purposes only.
 
Speaking for myself, a lot of this discussion involves theory (what-if-thinking) for discussion purposes only.
In this case, several of the trades reported on what I would call an "initiative" which is an internal process to examine things that might be a good idea... or not. Until they progress to actual fact-finding, commission studies or form a committee, they are just internal FCC processes to see if those further steps are warranted.
 
If you'd like, submit your comment to the FCC in the proceeding:


I thought Scott Fybush's comment was on point. Although the proposal does not increase maximum permitted digital power greater than -10 dB below carrier, it does reduce interference protection to first-adjacent channel stations, thus enabling more stations to increase digital power up to the presently permitted -10 dB below carrier. As Scott mentioned, the proposal streamlines the process of approval or notification. This is one of the excellent things the FCC is doing- they are streamlining process whenever possible, and this helps everyone.
 
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btw- regarding the "who paid for the TV repack" question- My view is it was not the taxpayers per se, but rather consumer demand for wireless, as perceived by the wireless companies who bid for the spectrum the FCC paid licensees to relinquish.

Wireless companies and investors saw consumer demand and ponied up the cash. The money went to the licensees who sold to the FCC, the US Treasury, and some to cover FCC operations.

Have you looked at the FCC budget? FCC is intended to be financially self-supporting. Regulatory fees cover cost of operating the FCC. Regulatory fee time is coming up, and that is a significant cost for a small station on a tight budget.

 
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One thing that seems to get lost in all of this - a digital FM channel occupies 400 KHz of spectrum. Standard FM allocations were 200 KHz. There are some situations where interference has become a real problem, especially in the NCE band below 92 MHz. Even with the addition of HD-2 and HD-3 channels the choice of program options on FM is actually less for me than it was before the introduction of HD. Increasing the power will only make that situation worse.

I've heard no talk of re-allocating channels where interference is a problem.

Dave B.
 
Again you have the problem with "All Digital FM" of who's going to be buying radios/receivers capable of hearing it.
In 2023, almost no one.
Car systems may increasingly have it.

And 20 years hence, will analog FM radios even be a thing? I can see where an actual FM radio, even in a car, will be as antiquated as the Franklin Spell Check device (which, ironically, still works) I found in my mother's desk drawer.

Radio aficionados and DXers may have FM radios 20 years from now, including HD ones. The rest of the public? Nope. It may put OTA stations in a tight spot, but we won't know how it plays out until it plays out.

I suppose the bigger question would be: will the cell system be able to replace OTA radio everywhere within 20 years? My guess is it probably will. But that is just a guess.
 
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FM frequency spacing is 200 kHz. The number called bandwidth is determined by how it is calculated.
Such as:

The digital radio broadcasting system used in the USA complies with the FCC "spurious emissions" rule 73.317, see below.
Digital power of -10 dB below carrier effective radiated power "fits" underneath the "mask" that is produced when (b), (c) and (d) are plotted on a chart.

That is how USA digital radio essentially was approved. From a literal regulatory view, the digital radio signal is a spurious emission that just barely complies with FCC rules.

The current NPRM proposes less interference protection to adjacent channel stations, potentially permitting more stations to increase digital power to -10 dB below carrier. How much reduction of service area and increase of interference will stakeholders agree on?
Stay tuned.

This is where it gets interesting...

73.317 was developed a long time ago, testing analog FM interference between adjacent channel stations with programming and receivers of that era. That is, the FM sidebands produced by audio of that era heard on typical receivers, with a test audience that was accustomed to audio of the era.

It is logical that digital radio sidebands are higher density than today's FM analog sidebands, which are higher density than in the era when 73.317 was developed.

What matters is how objectional interference defined at a given received signal strength of the desired station, at what percentage of locations and percentage of time. Would you be OK if your cellphone worked at 50 percent of locations 50 percent of the time?

Determining this in the real-world seems correct. However incoming signal strength of the desired and undesired stations must be measured at each location. How long will listening be done at each location, given that the rule correctly anticipates changes in propagation over time?

Thus, to make a decision that is equitable to the radio listening public, the process becomes a serious research project that requires careful methodology. It might be lab testing of interference tolerance, followed by carefully moderated real-world listening tests, taking into account the changing nature of propagation.


Here's the FCC rule:

§ 73.317 FM transmission system requirements.


(a) FM broadcast stations employing transmitters authorized after January 1, 1960, must maintain the bandwidth occupied by their emissions in accordance with the specification detailed below. FM broadcast stations employing transmitters installed or type accepted before January 1, 1960, must achieve the highest degree of compliance with these specifications practicable with their existing equipment. In either case, should harmful interference to other authorized stations occur, the licensee shall correct the problem promptly or cease operation.

(b) Any emission appearing on a frequency removed from the carrier by between 120 kHz and 240 kHz inclusive must be attenuated at least 25 dB below the level of the unmodulated carrier. Compliance with this requirement will be deemed to show the occupied bandwidth to be 240 kHz or less.

(c) Any emission appearing on a frequency removed from the carrier by more than 240 kHz and up to and including 600 kHz must be attenuated at least 35 dB below the level of the unmodulated carrier.

(d) Any emission appearing on a frequency removed from the carrier by more than 600 kHz must be attenuated at least 43 + 10 Log10 (Power, in watts) dB below the level of the unmodulated carrier, or 80 dB, whichever is the lesser attenuation.

(e) Preemphasis shall not be greater than the impedance-frequency characteristics of a series inductance resistance network having a time constant of 75 microseconds. (See upper curve of Figure 2 of § 73.333.)
 
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(b) Any emission appearing on a frequency removed from the carrier by between 120 kHz and 240 kHz inclusive must be attenuated at least 25 dB below the level of the unmodulated carrier. Compliance with this requirement will be deemed to show the occupied bandwidth to be 240 kHz or less.
That is the one that counts for HD sidebands. Obviously, -10db is greater than -25db. The way USA Digital was first approved technically fit the mask without any trickery (-23 db on each side, with some of the spurious emission closer to the center frequency than 120 KHz). This proved to be unworkable in the real world, which is when we got the increase to -14. The test methodology changed at that point, since the spurious emission was now greater than that limit. They said "oh - we're going to measure it using a narrower resolution bandwidth". If the actual IF bandwidth of an FM receiver were used any HD signal greater than -20 would be in violation today. But somehow that wasn't followed. Meanwhile, back in the real world, listeners heard static on many stations (HD noise sounds a lot like white noise to the untrained ear) and tuned out.

A full HD signal (no analog) on FM actually throws most of the power into the sidebands with a 20 db null at the assigned frequency +/- 100 KHz. Essentially backwards from what 73.317 says now. Then again, there's no unmodulated carrier to test against. Who knows what argument will be made to justify that.

Dave B.
 
Even with the addition of HD-2 and HD-3 channels the choice of program options on FM is actually less for me than it was before the introduction of HD. Increasing the power will only make that situation worse.

I've heard no talk of re-allocating channels where interference is a problem.

Dave B.
In my metro, the HD2 and HD3 channels expanded the variety of programming available on the FM band, from LGBTQ programming to extra classical channels, the BBC, and blues and metal. The blues and metal HD2s are gone, and a couple others may have been yanked, but there still are HD2s that I think add to the variety of programming..
 
In my metro, the HD2 and HD3 channels expanded the variety of programming available on the FM band, from LGBTQ programming to extra classical channels, the BBC, and blues and metal. The blues and metal HD2s are gone, and a couple others may have been yanked, but there still are HD2s that I think add to the variety of programming..
The programming doesn’t seem to be enough to push any regular listener to Subchannels in any large numbers. Those that do are usually on analog translator.

At least from public numbers.
 
The programming doesn’t seem to be enough to push any regular listener to Subchannels in any large numbers. Those that do are usually on analog translator.

At least from public numbers.
There are some examples of HD2 0r 3 stations without a translator receiving 0.2 or higher. That's not a participation award. There have to be a fair amount of people listening!
 
Other than public stations, I wonder what sort of an appetite there is for messing around with increased digital power, considering the potential capital expense of doing so. That, and I find the second paragraph perplexing:
"Longer term, the FCC says when it first authorized digital operations in 1999 it set a course for an all-digital radio service. Although it has not set any timetable for the eventual change, and it remains happy to let the marketplace decide the pace, the Commission sees the power increase proposal as a way to encourage more stations to convert from analog. About 2,000 stations have already made the leap, and more digital receivers are in the market. With that in mind, the Commission says the continued adoption of digital FM broadcast technology supports many of its conclusions in the proposal."

If the Commission were serious about a true conversion to digital, then I'm not sure how that roadmap is created by just allowing higher-level digital sidebands on analog stations. Seems like if they were indeed serious, the Commission would work on some sort of a calendar target, where FM stations would shut off their analog modulation, allowing the subsequent digital use of the entire carrier. At least get the conversation started, rather than nibbling around the edges. That way stations wouldn't need to spend tons of capital (that most don't have) twice.

i blame the industry more than the commission. i say this because digital authorization for all of broadcasting started in the 90's, and look how long it took TV to adapt and switch.

it's been 20 years and while satellite radio did a huge cannonball into the pool, while online streamers were already enjoying the water, terrestrial radio is still dipping the toes in and afraid to commit.

the radio industry has always been and will always be 20-30 years behind the rest of the world.
 
i blame the industry more than the commission. i say this because digital authorization for all of broadcasting started in the 90's, and look how long it took TV to adapt and switch.

it's been 20 years and while satellite radio did a huge cannonball into the pool, while online streamers were already enjoying the water, terrestrial radio is still dipping the toes in and afraid to commit.

the radio industry has always been and will always be 20-30 years behind the rest of the world.
I think you're being awfully liberal with the word, "always"! What about a hundred years ago, when radio was the new kid on the block or 80 years ago, when TV was brand new? I don't think broadcasting was 20-30 years behind when I was a kid or young adult. How long do you actually mean?
 
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