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Fewer cars with AM radios...

In well developed countries/territories, cell/PCS infrastructures have become more reliable and robust than they used to be. In fact, one could argue that cell communications in major cities has become much more reliable and updated than land lines.

Anymore it's a false assumption to think, especially in smaller markets, that your local radio station will be in any position to take control of emergency or disaster communications within a community. The station needs an influx of information, and if phone lines or cell PCS communications are down, they're in the same boat as their local community. That's especially true since most have had to cut back on things like local studios or staffing.
It's tough enough to keep the lights on at many stations today. The expectation that there would be staffing after hours and technology to pass along updates to local citizens, would likely lead to disappointment.
And one other thing----if the folks in the small town aren't listening to their local radio station on a regular basis, they aren't likely to think of them as a resource during a crisis in the first place.

My 27-year-old stepdaughter was one of the evacuees from the big wildfire in the Sierra foothills last year. She went everywhere BUT radio for information---even though she's had a radio journalist in the family for nine years now. It's just not in the hierarchy of information for her.
 
And one other thing----if the folks in the small town aren't listening to their local radio station on a regular basis, they aren't likely to think of them as a resource during a crisis in the first place.

My 27-year-old stepdaughter was one of the evacuees from the big wildfire in the Sierra foothills last year. She went everywhere BUT radio for information---even though she's had a radio journalist in the family for nine years now. It's just not in the hierarchy of information for her.
That's a great point Mike. Anymore people go to Farsebook first. I think it was in Ohio, a tornado brought down a church and other buildings where people were working. What medium were people trapped inside the building, or asking for help? They didn't call or text for help. Instead their first stop was Farsebook. The sad part was, it actually worked!
 
At 100 watts, the ionosphere isn't usually able to pick up medium-wave frequencies, although it has happened before on the New Jersey TIS. However, 100 watts will get you some coverage on shortwave, as the Calgary comedy station on 1060 khz also broadcasts on 6.030 Mhz with 100 watts.
And keep in mind, a hobbyist wouldn't be erecting a tower over 100 feet tall, most would be using a longwire for the transmitter. A 100 watt signal would have even shorter range. The FCC could add that as a restriction, as far as tower type, maximum height, etc.
 
That's a great point Mike. Anymore people go to Farsebook first. I think it was in Ohio, a tornado brought down a church and other buildings where people were working. What medium were people trapped inside the building, or asking for help? They didn't call or text for help. Instead their first stop was Farsebook. The sad part was, it actually worked!
Hey, if it helped them, maybe saved lives, great!

When radio was invented, the objective was not to play records and tell jokes. It was to communicate wirelessly over distance. We've just found better, more accessible ways to do that over the last century-plus.
 
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Hey, if it helped them, maybe saved lives, great!

When radio was invented, the objective was not to play records and tell jokes. It was to communicate wirelessly over distance. We've just found better, more accessible ways to do that over the last century-plus.
Guess my point was: Anymore, people don't default to some portable radio during emergencies. Their default is social media.
All this talk about AM radio serving a wider audience during emergencies, or the assumption that a modern society depends on radio for their news and information, is still stuck in the 70's.
 
Guess my point was: Anymore, people don't default to some portable radio during emergencies. Their default is social media.
All this talk about AM radio serving a wider audience during emergencies, or the assumption that a modern society depends on radio for their news and information, is still stuck in the 70's.
Agreed. I said what I said what I said because you said "The sad part was, it actually worked!"

I won't be sad when the last AM station signs off, assuming I'm still around. AM was an early, primitive way of communicating wirelessly that had inherent limitations. When FM eventually dies, it won't be the death of wireless communications, it'll be the obsolescence of that form of wireless communications.

And it will have been one hell of a run. How many things do we use on a daily basis that exist fundamentally as they did in 1922?
 
I was thinking in terms of while there are still countries using AM. In the 1970s, I heard that KXL couldn't feasibly broadcast with even 500 watts at night or it would interfere with WSB in Texas! This is the first time I've heard that fewer than 100 watts didn't cause objectionable interference.
 
I won't be sad when the last AM station signs off, assuming I'm still around.
Surprisingly, I don't give a sh*t when AM finally goes away entirely. My comments are usually intended on educating the Rip Van Winkle's on this site that are literally and figuratively still living in the 60's and 70's. Much of their knowledge about radio anyway, is incomplete or amounts to revisionist history.
AM was an early, primitive way of communicating wirelessly that had inherent limitations.
I cut my teeth on AM, and have built many directional and non-D stations from scratch. I'm one of the remaining engineers under 75 who understand how they work. That said; I too have fond memories when AM was a big deal as a driving force of news and sports. The reality is; those days are officially over, and they ain't comin' back. Doesn't matter how many T-shirts, or free radios handed out.
When FM eventually dies, it won't be the death of wireless communications, it'll be the obsolescence of that form of wireless communications.
And that's what AM is facing right now.
And it will have been one hell of a run. How many things do we use on a daily basis that exist fundamentally as they did in 1922?
Exactly. Back in the 50's Major Armstrong felt AM should have been transitioning to FM, because FM was superior. But AM continued making money, so it remained for many years after. We're just witnessing the inevitable.
 
Defaulting to social media can make sense in emergencies depending on how one uses it and what is available in a given area, so of course results will vary.

Superstorm Sandy is my first thought. No radio station, AM or FM could provide the kind of super detailed information we wanted most in the immediate aftermath. I know it was bad all around, our particular area and what was accessible, or not, was of more importance to me at that time. Terrestrial radio isn’t going to tell me which side streets have been cleared and are passable yet to navigate—that mattered to me. My community groups could and did.

Everything has its place…except AM. That’s just a flipping zombie at this point. 😉😉😉
 
In well developed countries/territories, cell/PCS infrastructures have become more reliable and robust than they used to be. In fact, one could argue that cell communications in major cities has become much more reliable and updated than land lines.
I've long been amused at the notion that a few drops of rain will cause a complete crash of internet and cellular infrastructure, while radio stations can somehow be unaffected by tornadoes, hurricanes, flooding, wildfires, or direct nuclear attack ("Wow, they dropped a 100 Megaton atom bomb on K### and not only did it stay on the air, the record didn't skip!")

Modern communications infrastructure is more robust than many think it is. And broadcasting infrastructure is likely more fragile.
Anymore it's a false assumption to think, especially in smaller markets, that your local radio station will be in any position to take control of emergency or disaster communications within a community. The station needs an influx of information, and if phone lines or cell PCS communications are down, they're in the same boat as their local community. That's especially true since most have had to cut back on things like local studios or staffing.
Excellent points! Most people don't consider how information gets to stations for broadcast.
 
But those who are subscribed see the ratings for stations that are not subscribed.

The market is only three counties and 85% of the population is in Jefferson and Orange.

Of course if your station does not even cover that then you can not be attracting all those young adults...
Most of the population is Beaumont, Vidor and up into Lumberton now. Even though it says Beaumont Port Arthur, Port Arthur has been sliding downhill over the last 20 years and people have been leaving it in droves. They've moved northward into Hardin County where land and the taxes are much cheaper! I know my market and I know my listeners. I don't go by the numbers posted on websites because they don't tell the entire story
 
I’m honestly shocked AM radio has any viability left from my experiences in my 2020 Honda Civic.

FM reception isn’t great compared to other similar makes/models of that age, but AM is absolute trash due to increased interference and a poor quality AM receiver…or either the stations aren’t transmitting at full power (without FCC authorization). A 1kw station at 1400 8 miles away has tons of fade and has no chance for a solid signal driving around. A 5kw at 560 or 580 doesn’t have much chance about 40-50 miles away. And the 50kw AM at 1110 AM that used to make it here is close to a no go now. I can hit the scan button and it infinitely scans up and down the dial unable to find a signal strong enough to lock in.

Interestingly I am still able to get some good catches at night with skywave.
 
Maybe you have bad ground conductivity in your area?

Some modern car radios are nice enough to include a noise blanker on AM. Instead of a loud buzz when you drive under an arcing power line, the audio just gets distorted and choppy.
 
Maybe you have bad ground conductivity in your area?

Some modern car radios are nice enough to include a noise blanker on AM. Instead of a loud buzz when you drive under an arcing power line, the audio just gets distorted and choppy.
Or it's a 1kW station in a noisy environment that requires at least 10mV/m at the receiver for a receivable listening experience?
 
This is exciting to hear.

Thanks for the information.

(For the record in SF, it's KCBS-AM.)
All SF area stations have to be EAS capable. KCBS (AM) is the primary station, which originates alerts. But that is just part of the internal system, to which all stations are connected.

Often, in markets where there are 50 kw fulltime AMs, an AM was selected as it had the greater coverage.
 
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