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Fire coverage thread

That's what I thought, but one of the owners said he never saw a fire engine. He was washing his house with a water hose until he saw a wall of fire.

"I've been doing this for 48 hours or more," [Malibu resident Clayton] Colbert says. "There was a period here for 24 hours where there wasn't a fire truck or firefighter or anybody actually."

You hear this a lot in the fire zones, where even fire hydrants have gone dry. But Colbert isn't sure anything would have mattered, given the hurricane force Santa Ana winds in the L.A. Basin.

"Listen," he says, "if you look and see what happened in the Palisades and everywhere else, there could be 6,000 firefighters and it wouldn't be enough."

 
Two people arrested near VP Harris' home in Brentwood.


And why?

Also in the NY Post:

 
I just learned a few posts above that "empty fire hydrants, failures to maintain brush clearance, forest thinning, and underfunded fire departments" are just "political" items. It is this type of thinking that costs lives, homes, businesses, and livelihoods. The stunning effort to cover-up the crisis of competence in this matter while so many suffer so much is simply unfathomable to me.

I think you misinterpreted my intent. My exact statement was:

Must see video below. It illustrates better than any I've seen thus far why this firestorm's savage outcome wasn't the fault of any empty fire hydrants, failures to maintain brush clearance, forest thinning, underfunded fire departments, or whatever else have you political.

The "or whatever else have you political" part was only meant as a conceptual extension to the preceding bit about underfunding fire departments, which, yes, is political. But it wasn't my intent to cast a political context backwards upon the entire list of items in that sentence -- i.e., implying that even tanks running dry and hydrants quitting was a political thing,

I'm sorry if my careless syntax gave the impression I was being callous. It was right before bedtime, I was half asleep, and the spirit of my posting that video was really only to show that none of the things on that list could've been blamed for the fire's outcome. The whole event was simply down to there being too much wind.
 
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I remember something similar in 2020 when California had multiple fires at the same time with 3 of them at the time were the largest wildfires in state history. At that time the August, SCU and LNU fires had the same issues LA is facing today. But in 2020 there were multiple counties needing help from Calfire for rescue and firefighting operations and it lead to an orange sky due to multiple wildfires the state was facing at that time.








 
I understand everything you've said up to this point. And a lot of Californians feel the way you do.

But, what infrastructure and what code enforcement stops 80 mile per hour winds from blowing flames?





Accepting climate change is part of the problem. Simultaneous to mitigation of effects (and again, what have you got for fire and 80 mile per hour winds?), we need to be actively reducing our contribution. And that's where party politics comes in:

The Democrats in California do this:


The Republicans in Washington do this:


California moves to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and the three California University systems move to be carbon zero by 2045 and it's derided as "The Green New Scam".




Seriously?



The opposite of virtue signaling would be "vice signaling". Is that what conservatives do when they vote against wildfire prevention funding and carbon emissions reductions?

"Virtue signaling" is such a horseshit term. Someone accused me of virtue signaling during the pandemic because I wore a mask. They shut right up when I said that my wearing a mask to protect someone else's health was no more virtue signaling than them washing their hands before making someone else a sandwich.

I said I'd be happy to discuss it further over lunch, but only if I got to pick the restaurant.



I'm sorry---you left because California was raising taxes all the time, right?



And again, the odds of that in the next four years are?



The cost overruns on high-speed rail are indefensible. Should have been finished years ago.



And again, skip super unpopular and costly (and never mind that the opposition party would exploit that to the point that people would demand those measures be abandoned like....well, like high-speed rail.

Whaddya got for fire blowing through the air in 80 mph winds? What do you think anyone else has, even if they had Elon Musk money?



Exactly.
Figured you would reply - here are some quick responses:
1) I did not leave due to higher taxes, and my language was quite clear - I left because the State/region were not providing the services that I would expect based on the taxes paid - I left for another place where I gladly paid taxes as one could be safe and have the kids get a decent education etc etc..

2) You are fixated on 80 mph winds, which misses my point, and of course wrongly assumes I believe one can prevent all damage from 80 mph winds. What I clearly stated was the State/region failed to have mitigation/buffer zones. Like in the military, one scenario plans what types of strategies and investments yield various outcomes; I guarantee even if the State/county had such an analysis, they failed to make the investments to whatever choice they made.

3) Climate change - sure I accept it, my point was while it is great to aim for zero emissions et al, it is clear political entities are not investing in systems that address the adverse outcomes from climate change - maybe virtual signaling is too strong for both side of this climate change equation, but policies have to address each side (a) stop trashing the earth and (b) create policies that deal with the knowable adverse consquences (e.g., fires in risky areas, and flood prone areas). Maybe watch the FRONTLINE report about the Maui fire that came out last week on PBS.

4) No politician will propose any radical new spending, so this country will continue to just deal with each calamity as it comes. There is a reason they are called politicians. I usually call most of them something else. Once in a while we get a hero. We could sure use that now.
 
What I clearly stated was the State/region failed to have mitigation/buffer zones.

I don't know about Palisades, but I do know they had an effective buffer in place in the Eaton fire that had worked in 1993 and several other fires since. Altadena was not in the fire zone. That was a total freak thing. These houses that were destroyed had been there for 70 years or more. Lake Avenue was miles away from a fire zone.
 
Figured you would reply - here are some quick responses:
1) I did not leave due to higher taxes, and my language was quite clear - I left because the State/region were not providing the services that I would expect based on the taxes paid - I left for another place where I gladly paid taxes as one could be safe and have the kids get a decent education etc etc..

2) You are fixated on 80 mph winds, which misses my point, and of course wrongly assumes I believe one can prevent all damage from 80 mph winds. What I clearly stated was the State/region failed to have mitigation/buffer zones. Like in the military, one scenario plans what types of strategies and investments yield various outcomes; I guarantee even if the State/county had such an analysis, they failed to make the investments to whatever choice they made.

3) Climate change - sure I accept it, my point was while it is great to aim for zero emissions et al, it is clear political entities are not investing in systems that address the adverse outcomes from climate change - maybe virtual signaling is too strong for both side of this climate change equation, but policies have to address each side (a) stop trashing the earth and (b) create policies that deal with the knowable adverse consquences (e.g., fires in risky areas, and flood prone areas). Maybe watch the FRONTLINE report about the Maui fire that came out last week on PBS.

4) No politician will propose any radical new spending, so this country will continue to just deal with each calamity as it comes. There is a reason they are called politicians. I usually call most of them something else. Once in a while we get a hero. We could sure use that now.

The Maui Wildfires was the worst in the state of Hawaii’s history. They had to deal with the issues of lack of wildfire emergency management in the state OES systems.

The 2025 Los Angeles area Wildfires one it’s a case of we expected something like this given California’s history of facing similar situations in other parts of the state in past wildfires but not use to fires taking out entire neighborhoods out and having to get 100k people out of danger zones. Yes it’s getting a population the same size of the city population Burbank off the danger zones. Also running out of water and having a delayed response on the missing persons/confirmed deaths reports due to the fire escalation were factors in this case.
 
RAMP asks an interesting question: Will the Grammy Awards be postponed? They're scheduled for Sunday February 2.


My sense is that by then, hopefully, the situation will be under control, and they will be able to do a good benefit.
 


One of the victims from the Palisades fire is identified as former British Child Star Rory Sykes who had a TV series in the UK in the late 1990’s.
 
Among the things destroyed by the Palisades fires: The works of 20th century classical music composer Arnold Schoenberg:

 
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