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first ppm numbers are in

And lo and behold.... WDUV is still #1!!!

BUT.... Q105 is #2!

FLA, QYK and the Eagle did very well.

Beat/FLZ/Wild all fighting over the same people.

94.9 clearly has a TSL problem as they had the highest cume in the market but ranked 11th in AQH. (Are they still calling it new?)

DAE had their best numbers ever, 3 times the other two sports stations combined.

Smooth Jazz definitely on the way down as predicted.

And it was a TERRIBLE book for rock and alternative, especially for BTL Sponge and Co.
 
I think the biggest shocker is that WPOI 101.5 The Point is the second highest cuming station in the market! Didn't see that one coming.
I guess Tampa loves Retro 80s and 90s Pop/Rock hits. It's the closest thing to a Jack FM type of station in town.
 
I'll tell you I'm jest pleezed as punch. Us gezzes and geezettes win again. DUV! DUV! DUV! And Q105 appears to be the leader for CBS. I guess live people actin like it was still 1965 is worth somethin after all. I'm gonna get out the black jacket with the rabbit's foot on the front pocket, my black reel tight skirt,and a box of girlie Parliaments and drive my Chevy to the lev----I mean the Clearwater pier or whatever it was back then and find me a good ole boy and sit and make peanut butter sandwiches. Q is 2------!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Q IS 2! Now If I had a radio that could get WLCY, but I guess Q is 2 will do!
 
Two questions about stations I don't listen to.

1) Does this mean the BTLS/MJ fued is decided?

2) What happened to the prediction that "Spirit FM" would be a market leader?
 
CHRles said:
I think the biggest shocker is that WPOI 101.5 The Point is the second highest cuming station in the market! Didn't see that one coming.
I guess Tampa loves Retro 80s and 90s Pop/Rock hits. It's the closest thing to a Jack FM type of station in town.

I believe WPOI might be the last "Point" 80's station standing in the entire country!
 
What does this really mean?

If a station has a big cume but is ranked lower than one with less?

Does this really mean that Q105 can be now seen as a genuine market leader, or does the old 12+ still apply somehow?

Does this really mean that WHPT is back to square one?

That WWRZ has a Tampa audience? Would Hall be likely to build on this with live jocks as on 97.5 WPCV?

That nobody listens to WMNF?

That the Point is also now a success and talks of trading signals with WSUN is moot?

Would more effort be put into enhancing the Point and less on WSUN?

Does this matter to WUSF?
 
One of the things I'd like to know is if WDUV's (or even the Q's) younger end numbers improved any.

There's a phenomenom known as "phantom cume" you'll see now with PPM.

Basically, anyone with a PPM that doesn't *willingly* listen to a radio station may register as listening to it...Suppose a 19 year old college student walks into a gift shop in Downtown Safety Harbor that has the Dove on, and they're carrying a PPM......Well, you know what happens to 105.5's numbers.
 
MsMusicRadio said:
What does this really mean?

If a station has a big cume but is ranked lower than one with less?

AQH is cume and time spent listening. If a station ranks high in cume and much lower in AQH, it means their TSLis low, i.e. something is a tune-out.

MsMusicRadio said:
Does this really mean that Q105 can be now seen as a genuine market leader, or does the old 12+ still apply somehow?

Depends on what the 25-54s look like.

MsMusicRadio said:
That nobody listens to WMNF?

Maybe, but it probably means that they chose not to do the encoding the PPM needs, and thus are unmeasurable. I'm sure they don't care.
 
Where does the fabulous Tan Talk Network rank?
 
radiosanchez said:
One of the things I'd like to know is if WDUV's (or even the Q's) younger end numbers improved any.

There's a phenomenom known as "phantom cume" you'll see now with PPM.

Basically, anyone with a PPM that doesn't *willingly* listen to a radio station may register as listening to it...Suppose a 19 year old college student walks into a gift shop in Downtown Safety Harbor that has the Dove on, and they're carrying a PPM......Well, you know what happens to 105.5's numbers.

That 19 year old was, in fact, exposed to DUV and DID listen for a period of time. Granted, not the station of choice. That person may have been exposed to an ad and in turn respond to the ad. In fact people sit in doctor's offices and are a captive listener. Why shouldn't that count?
 
Ferreri said:
radiosanchez said:
One of the things I'd like to know is if WDUV's (or even the Q's) younger end numbers improved any.

There's a phenomenom known as "phantom cume" you'll see now with PPM.

Basically, anyone with a PPM that doesn't *willingly* listen to a radio station may register as listening to it...Suppose a 19 year old college student walks into a gift shop in Downtown Safety Harbor that has the Dove on, and they're carrying a PPM......Well, you know what happens to 105.5's numbers.

That 19 year old was, in fact, exposed to DUV and DID listen for a period of time. Granted, not the station of choice. That person may have been exposed to an ad and in turn respond to the ad. In fact people sit in doctor's offices and are a captive listener. Why shouldn't that count?

argument can be made for both sides. 19 year old was EXPOSED to DUV, but you cannot assure that he ''listened''. There is a huge mental ''tune out factor'' that is possible. If he didn't put the station on, with the intention to ''listen'' , he may not be ''listening''.....especially if the programming/music that's on at the time does not catch his interest/attention....which certainly could be the case in this example.

Another big thing you can say is that he didn't choose to listen to the station, he didn't turn it on because he liked the programming, preferred the programming.....in fact, he didn't turn it on at all.....he was simply un intentionally exposed to it......shouldn't count the same. in a perfect world, maybe that would only count as ''half '' somehow.

basically, like I said....you can make an argument for both sides.....the reality, how do you calculate that down to a number ? I say it's an equal on both sides of the coin....

I always liked the ratings technology that Mobiltrak developed and tried to market......the roadside detectors that read the IF of the passing car radio's to determine what station they were on.....loved it because

.....no question that ''x'' number of radio's, out of ''x'' number of radio's detected....., were....in fact.....tuned to that station at that exact time....and bonus : at that exact location (part of town/market).....and always a HUGE sample next to busy road, for any particular quarter hour.

of course

no idea who was in that car....no sex, no age.....no number of occupants.....and no abilty to measure TSL.....oh yeah....cannot read AM, only FM

anyway, here's an old article......with a local reference to it's use

http://edition.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/05/31/radio.sniffers.idg/index.html
 
distantfm said:
Ferreri said:
radiosanchez said:
One of the things I'd like to know is if WDUV's (or even the Q's) younger end numbers improved any.

There's a phenomenom known as "phantom cume" you'll see now with PPM.

Basically, anyone with a PPM that doesn't *willingly* listen to a radio station may register as listening to it...Suppose a 19 year old college student walks into a gift shop in Downtown Safety Harbor that has the Dove on, and they're carrying a PPM......Well, you know what happens to 105.5's numbers.

That 19 year old was, in fact, exposed to DUV and DID listen for a period of time. Granted, not the station of choice. That person may have been exposed to an ad and in turn respond to the ad. In fact people sit in doctor's offices and are a captive listener. Why shouldn't that count?

argument can be made for both sides. 19 year old was EXPOSED to DUV, but you cannot assure that he ''listened''. There is a huge mental ''tune out factor'' that is possible. If he didn't put the station on, with the intention to ''listen'' , he may not be ''listening''.....especially if the programming/music that's on at the time does not catch his interest/attention....which certainly could be the case in this example.

Another big thing you can say is that he didn't choose to listen to the station, he didn't turn it on because he liked the programming, preferred the programming.....in fact, he didn't turn it on at all.....he was simply un intentionally exposed to it......shouldn't count the same. in a perfect world, maybe that would only count as ''half '' somehow.

basically, like I said....you can make an argument for both sides.....the reality, how do you calculate that down to a number ? I say it's an equal on both sides of the coin....

I always liked the ratings technology that Mobiltrak developed and tried to market......the roadside detectors that read the IF of the passing car radio's to determine what station they were on.....loved it because

.....no question that ''x'' number of radio's, out of ''x'' number of radio's detected....., were....in fact.....tuned to that station at that exact time....and bonus : at that exact location (part of town/market).....and always a HUGE sample next to busy road, for any particular quarter hour.

of course

no idea who was in that car....no sex, no age.....no number of occupants.....and no abilty to measure TSL.....oh yeah....cannot read AM, only FM

anyway, here's an old article......with a local reference to it's use

http://edition.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/05/31/radio.sniffers.idg/index.html

OK. You are selling radio to a newspaper oriented advertiser who says "the Tampa Tribune has a circulation of XXX-thousand". Can the Trib assure that XXX-thousand read the paper? Of course not, however, the only thing they can assure is that XXX-thousand papers went out today. Likewise, a station can assure that XXX-thousand were, at the very least, exposed to the station.
 
PPMs for Rock...

WHTP... only reason they are as high as a 3.3 is cause they have Bubba mornings and Cowhead evenings.. Otherwise 90% of the music is Booooorrrrrrrinnnnnggggg classics that pushed towards a 18-54 crowd..and only the 45-54 years olds really care to listen to. Most peeps 18-44 want to hear Classics From the Seattle scene to Hairbands to Metal of the 80s. Why do we have to SUFFER trying to listen to a good Cowhead show and wait for the 90% bad music to play?? I know Cowhead wishes that he can have No Music during his segment.. and we do also. Alot of times I change the station when a song comes on... and forget to return back right away cause I hear a good song on another station (usually 101.5 I go to or wherever)..

WXTB... No Clear Direction.... thats the Issue with this station... They mix some New Rock-Top 10 Classic bands-Top 10 alternative bands..... MD is the worst music director EVER @ 98 Rock and they keep him for what? Bad Continous Ratings? Shut the whole station down Clear Channel..Plz... replace it with a Mainstreet Rock station the plays New Rock/80s Rock into Seattle scene.

We have 20 minutes in a car to listen to music or talk radio or listen to CDs... if we want Music... we want to hear "New Rock"... we want to know whats out there thats New.... and when the song isnt New... we want to hear a Recognizeable Classic that was popular thats Hardly Ever Played Anymore.. We want to say.. WOW I remember that song..! and when Rock stations dont do this... we listen to CDs or Talk Radio in a car for our 20 minutes!
 
I'm surprised 98 Rock hasn't tried becoming a Modern Rock station. Their signal easily kicks 97 X's butt.
Cox-owned 93 Rock down in Miami should have also gone this route from the start. Cox appearantly can do Modern Rock quite competitively - they launched X-102.9 last year in Jax going up against heritage WPLA 107.3 The Planet (which was on 93.3 for years). The results of the new X-102.9? Very impressive to say the least:
http://www.radio-info.com/site/markets/grid/jacksonville
 
Parttimer said:
AQH is cume and time spent listening. If a station ranks high in cume and much lower in AQH, it means their TSLis low, i.e. something is a tune-out.


As we get started talking about PPM, let's get used to the new terms. TSL is no longer used to describe listening spans.

It's now called AWTE: Average Weekly Time Exposed

Other new PPM concepts and terms:

Participants are "panelists", not diarykeepers
Docking/Undocking times
Carry Times
The Three "I's" of listening:
Intentional (panelist intends to listen to station detected)
Incidental (panelist's device picks up a station they did not select, i.e. in a store)
Invisible (listening picked up by the device that not even the panelist is aware of)

Pages 28-29 of this report are most instructive: http://arbitron.com/downloads/ppm_pre_currency_tampa.pdf
 
Jackologist said:
Parttimer said:
AQH is cume and time spent listening. If a station ranks high in cume and much lower in AQH, it means their TSLis low, i.e. something is a tune-out.


As we get started talking about PPM, let's get used to the new terms. TSL is no longer used to describe listening spans.

It's now called AWTE: Average Weekly Time Exposed

Other new PPM concepts and terms:

Participants are "panelists", not diarykeepers
Docking/Undocking times
Carry Times
The Three "I's" of listening:
Intentional (panelist intends to listen to station detected)
Incidental (panelist's device picks up a station they did not select, i.e. in a store)
Invisible (listening picked up by the device that not even the panelist is aware of)

Pages 28-29 of this report are most instructive: http://arbitron.com/downloads/ppm_pre_currency_tampa.pdf


Thanks.... good info.
 
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