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first ppm numbers are in

With WCBS,KRTH, WOGL, and WOMC showing consistantly in the Top 10 with PPM and Q105 joining them, does this mean that the people who feel that recreating something close to 60's Top 40 is a failing proposition might be wrong? Does this mean that for now, CBS would not flip Q to AMP, sports, or anything else? I still think Q is the best format (for me) in this market and I'd like to see it succeed ( even with TK,TK,TK off the bird)
 
CHRles said:
I'm surprised 98 Rock hasn't tried becoming a Modern Rock station. Their signal easily kicks 97 X's butt.
Cox-owned 93 Rock down in Miami should have also gone this route from the start. Cox appearantly can do Modern Rock quite competitively - they launched X-102.9 last year in Jax going up against heritage WPLA 107.3 The Planet (which was on 93.3 for years). The results of the new X-102.9? Very impressive to say the least:
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98Rock tried doing this over the past few years..ratings were horrible... they still played some active rock with it (aka Disturbed,Korn,Slipknot..etc...) but they stuck with mostly recognizeable overplayed songs. Modern Rock stations nationwide are worse off in ratings than Active Rock (unless that station has a good morning drive). I really dont think they know what todo..cause they tried now to attack WHTP with 70s classics + Motley Crue and Def Leppard mixed in.. but that doesnt work. I still feel if they want to attack and beat WHTP.. they go back to what started the station in 1990... you beat them with your music.. . and thats a Mainstreet Rock Station.. New Rock 1st 80s Rock-early 90s followed.
 
Someone commented that WMNF was not encoding. I know for a fact that they ARE encoding. As of next book, no encoding means zero numbers.
 
scottsvb5 said:
Modern Rock stations nationwide are worse off in ratings than Active Rock (unless that station has a good morning drive).
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In many of the Top 25 markets Modern Rock stations do better than Active Rock in terms of ratings and revenue. The most successful Rock station in the world is Modern Rocker 106.7 K-Rock out of L.A. There's another Modern Rocker in L.A. (Radio 98.7) but no Active Rock station.
In Houston and Philadelphia Modern Rock radio is usually Top 5 in the ratings.
In the just released Denver PPM ratings (first ones ever) KTCL Channel 93-3 is doing much better than longtime Active Rocker 106.7 KBPI.
Modern Rock stations that have been struggling for a while include Q-101 Chicago, Live 105 San Francisco, and Baltimore's Channel 104.3. Phoenix's 103.9 The Edge doesnt have as good of a competitive signal as Active Rocker KUPD.
Modern Rocker 105.9 The X in Pittsburgh is also doing well under the new PPM system with a 5 share.
In Boston Radio 92.9 WBOS beats Active Rocker WAAF.
In Seattle Modern Rocker 107.7 The end beats Active Rocker KISW in terms of cume, though KISW is a bit ahead in share.
In Detroit Active Rocker WRIF beats 89 X in ratings share, but not by much in terms of cume.
In San Diego Active Rocker 105.3 KIOZ beats Modern Rock in part b/c S.D. has two Modern Rock stations (91 X and 94.9 KBZT)
 
rfrus said:
Someone commented that WMNF was not encoding. I know for a fact that they ARE encoding. As of next book, no encoding means zero numbers.
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I said it was possible, I did not state it as fact.
 
CHRles said:
scottsvb5 said:
Modern Rock stations nationwide are worse off in ratings than Active Rock (unless that station has a good morning drive).
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In many of the Top 25 markets Modern Rock stations do better than Active Rock in terms of ratings and revenue. The most successful Rock station in the world is Modern Rocker 106.7 K-Rock out of L.A. There's another Modern Rocker in L.A. (Radio 98.7) but no Active Rock station.
In Houston and Philadelphia Modern Rock radio is usually Top 5 in the ratings.
In the just released Denver PPM ratings (first ones ever) KTCL Channel 93-3 is doing much better than longtime Active Rocker 106.7 KBPI.
Modern Rock stations that have been struggling for a while include Q-101 Chicago, Live 105 San Francisco, and Baltimore's Channel 104.3. Phoenix's 103.9 The Edge doesnt have as good of a competitive signal as Active Rocker KUPD.
Modern Rocker 105.9 The X in Pittsburgh is also doing well under the new PPM system with a 5 share.
In Boston Radio 92.9 WBOS beats Active Rocker WAAF.
In Seattle Modern Rocker 107.7 The end beats Active Rocker KISW in terms of cume, though KISW is a bit ahead in share.
In Detroit Active Rocker WRIF beats 89 X in ratings share, but not by much in terms of cume.
In San Diego Active Rocker 105.3 KIOZ beats Modern Rock in part b/c S.D. has two Modern Rock stations (91 X and 94.9 KBZT)
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Very good points.... alot of them Active Rock stations you posted though (I checked) play alot of Modern Rock bands mixed in.. ..like 98Rock does in Tampa. People that love Modern Rock.. usually dont want to hear Nickelback,Shinedown,Slipnot,Creed...etc.... and same goes with Active Rock peeps... they dont care for the Killers,CageTheElephant, or whoever... Bigger Markets on Active Rock plays alot of Mixed....while the Mid-Market citys stick mostly to a Harder Core of Active Rock..and do better in ratings.. But.. Overall... really its the station that has the better DJs doing them morning drives that makes the stations ratings... again look @ WHTP.. without Bubba-Cowhead.. they would have a 1.8 share maybe.
 
Considering the long drawn out anticipation it took to get the PPM's,and all the uneven conversation leading up their arrival, it is amazing to watch how everybody pulled out of this so quickly and the topic has petered out . What a fizzle.
 
MsMusicRadio said:
With WCBS,KRTH, WOGL, and WOMC showing consistantly in the Top 10 with PPM and Q105 joining them, does this mean that the people who feel that recreating something close to 60's Top 40 is a failing proposition might be wrong? Does this mean that for now, CBS would not flip Q to AMP, sports, or anything else?
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No, it means WSJT will now be the default sacrificial lamb for a format flip in the cluster.
 
1) Does extending the PM drive show on WSJT back to standard hours mean that CBS has not yet written it off?

2) Based on my observations for what it worth, Tampa Bay is not a sports town like Boston or Philly. It seems like the teams here have to win in order to garner significant support. Why do people here think sports on FM would be a winner?
 
MsMusicRadio said:
Why do people here think sports on FM would be a winner?
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Because most of the people posting their asinine opinions are bored operators (intentionally misspelled) on 620 or 1010. Flipping 'SJT to sports is unlikely.
 
Considering the anticipation of PPM, there is really not a lot of the usual speculation of the meaning of these numbers. WPOI doing so well is an example. WMTX pulling close to Magic. Obviously my whinning that the Eagle is a lousy station because it is mostly automated, has no "at work" midday show, and has a small playlist is not a problem based on the numbers. Is anybody willing to give the usual predictions for radio future or is the PPM so suspect that nobody cares?
 
I have to look at the numbers a little closer but I'm surprised WUSF and WMNF didn't do better. I also thought WBVM would be a player. It will be interesting to see if the results of this survey are mirrored in the next. I also presume...if someone listened to the HD channels, that they would show in the survey? I've been told the number of people listening to HD Radio in TB is "next to nil."
 
The high cumes for WWRM and WDUV are no surprise, since those are probably the most likely stations to be heard in doctor's offices, shops, etc. Yes? No?
 
Young Guns said:
Flipping 'SJT to sports is unlikely...
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But let's be realistic, 'SJT will be flipping to something other than smooth jazz at some point.
 
If the prevailing opinion is, WSJT will flip formats, what do you flip them to? Actually, they probably can make money on the 98.7 stick. If I were selling WSJT, I'd suggest to potential clients that they are appealing to a more affluent and possibly higher educated market. I don't know who is advertising on the station (since I can't listen in Australia and haven't bothered to check the live stream, if any) but that's the way I'd go and they'd probably make a buck doing it.
 
David Sharp said:
If the prevailing opinion is, WSJT will flip formats, what do you flip them to? Actually, they probably can make money on the 98.7 stick. If I were selling WSJT, I'd suggest to potential clients that they are appealing to a more affluent and possibly higher educated market. I don't know who is advertising on the station (since I can't listen in Australia and haven't bothered to check the live stream, if any) but that's the way I'd go and they'd probably make a buck doing it.
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WSJT has always been known for targeting and appealing to the upscale audience. There a lots of clients that target this audiience ... LEXUS, SELECT COMFORT, BOSE, JARED, VOLVO and many more.
 
]l,Yes, Smooth Jazz does appeal to a good, affluent audience. But that's not enough to save it in the East, sad to report. In fact, WSJT (and the station in Orlando) may be the ONLY Smooth Jazz station left in a decent sized market with call letters starting with a W. Nearly all the survivors are in the West.

Station owners just don't want to cope with demos that are falling out of the 25-54 zone. You'd think Smooth Jazz could have held on in Chicago and Detroit, with sizable numbers of affluent African-American and White listeners and where the 6+ numbers were still good. But Clear Channel pulled the plug in Chicago to become that city's 4th Latino FM. And CBS axed Smooth Jazz in Detroit to become that city's second Top 40.

There's a discussion on the Los Angeles board talking about whether KTWV in LA will survive. Most responders thought it would because it's still bringing in good revenue.







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Gregg said:
... WSJT (and the station in Orlando) may be the ONLY Smooth Jazz station left in a decent sized market with call letters starting with a W...

There's a discussion on the Los Angeles board talking about whether KTWV in LA will survive. Most responders thought it would because it's still bringing in good revenue.
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I still think moving smooth jazz from 94.1 to the weaker-signalled 98.7 is a precursor to some format change somewhere down the line. Perhaps CC will file for a power increase on 98.7 before they flip the format.

As far as The Wave in Los Angeles - well, if they could blow up the Detroit station that was doing well with smooth jazz, and New York's already lost the format, I see L.A. is definitely vulnerable...
 
DToTheJ said:
I still think moving smooth jazz from 94.1 to the weaker-signalled 98.7 is a precursor to some format change somewhere down the line. Perhaps CC will file for a power increase on 98.7 before they flip the format.
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A power increase would be next to impossible with KTK on 98.5 licensed to Crystal river, WMMO on 98.9 in Orlando and another 98.9 down in the Port Charlotte area.
 
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