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Fleeing Globe

radiowizard101 said:
The short answer is NO. KIKO AM still has decent listenership. The market is more like 40,000 people and includes the communities of San Carlos, Miami, Central Heights, Weatfields, Claypool, on out to Roosevelt, & Tonto Basin. Globe is just a segment of its coverage area.

KIKO is in a town of 7000, as stated. That's the biggest town in the county, and it's hardly big enough to be considered a "center of trade."

The 5 mV/m signal covers 18,000 persons, and even in a predominantly rural area, that's likely not enough signal to adequately overcome the noise from computers, CFLs, dimmers and all the hand-held devices that pollute the spectrum... even in Globe.

Again, my point was that the station covers a very small population base in a market with no growth and lower than average incomes... it is AM... and an AM with low power at the wrong end of the dial. It may once have been viable or potentially viable, but with all the options technology has produced, it probably isn't viable now.
 
DE, your comments are entertaining as always and provide for humorous reading. However, they are grounded in a reality not found in this Universe.
 
So allow the Nurse and me to put this into perspective: By moving KIKO-AM from Globe to Apache Junction, they'll be even more people who won't listen to the station.

Works for us.
 
Bill Drake said:
DE, your comments are entertaining as always and provide for humorous reading. However, they are grounded in a reality not found in this Universe.

Have you actually been in Globe? If you go, you will see the validity of my comparison with late-30's Jerome. Given the population, the slow death of AM and the variety of new media that now gives rural America many alternatives to a local Ancient Modulation station with a weak signal, it's unlikely that stations like KIKO can survive.

Just go west of Phoenix to Blythe, CA. KYOR, once run by the very competent Rob Roddy, was a classic community AM for a prosperous farming community on the Colorado. It had a news staff, live programming, farm programs and lots of local advertisers. The station signed off for good over a decade ago, as retail had changed to chain stores and farming had changed to corporate owned operations.

Just down the river, the AM in Needles had had a half dozen owners, been silent for a cumulative period of several years, and probably is still not able to make a go of it.

Or take a look at the status of AM in the area of the state's third largest market, Flagstaff. Some are gone for good, one is running on highly reduced power and the rated market includes Prescott, Sedona and Cottonwood, too... in other words, it's an FM only proposition now.

You can move those stations all over the state, but they likely won't work anywhere in today's market and economy.
 
Bill Drake said:
Being a 1kw operation on the so-called "graveyard" frequencies means this station would easily be covered up within a few miles from the transmitter by the 1360 50kw signal.

First, the 5 mV/m signal of KPXQ does not reach Apache Junction. It stops about half way between Mesa and Apache Junction.

Second, in the nations of the world that have a more modern AM regulatory base, stations in the same city are licensed with 20 kHz separation, and don't have problems. Example: 690, 710 and 730 in Mexico City, licensed and operating successfully for more than 50 years. Or two I owned, HCSP and HCRM, 570 and 590 in Quito, Ecuador... 45 years ago (with a non-owned station at 55o and anotther at 610).

So your statement that KIKO, if moved to Apache Junction, would be "covered up" by KPXQ is bunk. In fact, if anything would be interferred with, it might be KPXQ in the 10 or 15 mile radius of Apache Junction where a moved KIKO would have a better signal than the Glendale station.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Bill Drake said:
Being a 1kw operation on the so-called "graveyard" frequencies means this station would easily be covered up within a few miles from the transmitter by the 1360 50kw signal.

First, the 5 mV/m signal of KPXQ does not reach Apache Junction. It stops about half way between Mesa and Apache Junction.

Second, in the nations of the world that have a more modern AM regulatory base, stations in the same city are licensed with 20 kHz separation, and don't have problems. Example: 690, 710 and 730 in Mexico City, licensed and operating successfully for more than 50 years. Or two I owned, HCSP and HCRM, 570 and 590 in Quito, Ecuador... 45 years ago (with a non-owned station at 55o and anotther at 610).

So your statement that KIKO, if moved to Apache Junction, would be "covered up" by KPXQ is bunk. In fact, if anything would be interferred with, it might be KPXQ in the 10 or 15 mile radius of Apache Junction where a moved KIKO would have a better signal than the Glendale station.

I can think of another example. WSBC 1240 Chicago (transmits from the NW side) and WJOB 1230 Hammond IN are 10 kHz and about 25 miles apart, and have been for about 70 years. When they ran 250 watts fulltime, there was no problem whatsoever. Even at 1 kW, there's little interference and AFAIK, no complaints. In fact, when 1240 was a three-way time share, one of the stations (WCRW, I think) was even closer to WJOB, at about 15 miles.

Granted, we're talking about low-powered graveyard stations, but if it can be done at 10 kHz spacing with 1 kW stations at 15-25 miles apart, it can be done with one 50 kW (with the about same signal level as 5 kW on 550, but further away) and one 1 kW at 50 mile spacing.

But what in the world are they going to put on KIKO that will justify the move? A true big-band station (which KOY is definitely not) for the folks in Geezer World, that would be essentially a non-comm except for a few ads for funeral homes, Dentu-grip, and Depends? I think the good Doctor is right - this move just puts them in an area with a larger population that won't be listening.
 
KeithE4 said:
I can think of another example. WSBC 1240 Chicago (transmits from the NW side) and WJOB 1230 Hammond IN are 10 kHz and about 25 miles apart, and have been for about 70 years.

And there is the case of the two 1520 stations in NE Ohio, Canton and Kent, with transmitters about 20 miles apart, aimed away from each other.

This must be the classic example of someone who wanted a radio station so badly that they got a bad radio station!
 
And of course we have the mighty 1480 here in Phoenix that has no signal anywhere in the north valley. why might that be? where do you guys get your radios that allow for 20HZ separation with no problems? Probably from the same fairytale land where you get all your radio "facts."

your justification for cramming more AM stations into a finite space has created a morass of overlapping signals that render service beyond 20 or 30 miles a rarity. And of course the same thing is happening to FM as well.

Using your tortured logic, then KIKO should shift to FM instead of trying to nibble its way into the Phoenix market.

Of course FM's days are numbered as well, at least to those who aren't wearing rose colored glasses.
 
KeithE4 said:
DavidEduardo said:
Bill Drake said:
Second, in the nations of the world that have a more modern AM regulatory base, stations in the same city are licensed with 20 kHz separation, and don't have problems. Example: 690, 710 and 730 in Mexico City, licensed and operating successfully for more than 50 years. Or two I owned, HCSP and HCRM, 570 and 590 in Quito, Ecuador... 45 years ago (with a non-owned station at 55o and anotther at 610).

Are you kidding me? Why are so many Spanish radio stations OVERMODULATED and generally of piss-poor audio quality? Is that a requisite or a throw back to 1900's vacuum tube technology?
 
Or MAYBE KIKO should have done this:

http://radio-locator.com/info/KCWG-FL

I'll bet if you knocked on the door at this station, a live person would answer.

Let's see, using DE's non-Vulcan logic.... Hmm.. Crown King... a lot like Jerome..... PERFECT solution!
 
Bill Drake said:
Or MAYBE KIKO should have done this:

http://radio-locator.com/info/KCWG-FL

I'll bet if you knocked on the door at this station, a live person would answer.

Let's see, using DE's non-Vulcan logic.... Hmm.. Crown King... a lot like Jerome..... PERFECT solution!

Let's see:

LPFM. 1 Watt Power. 133 persons in the 60 dbu contour. Prohibited from taking advertising, must be run as a non-profit. The format is listed as "religion."

I'll bet that either it only runs a few hours a day, or it repeats quite a bit from another station. Just guessing, but what other possibilities are there for a station that covers 133 people... the in-store music at a single Fry's reaches more people.

And the situation is in no way comparable to KIKO, which is a commercial station.
 
Bill Drake said:
Are you kidding me? Why are so many Spanish radio stations OVERMODULATED and generally of piss-poor audio quality? Is that a requisite or a throw back to 1900's vacuum tube technology?

"Spanish radio stations" are in Spain. And in Spain, the technology is probably more advanced than in most US stations.

If you mean "Spanish language stations" then say so.

"So many." Name enough, please, to convince us that "many" is an appropriate term.

Most Spanish language stations I hear in AZ have pretty good audio, and the processing is appropriate for the format. The ones I have actually been inside have either the last generation or the current generation Omnias or Optimods, state of the art studios, links and transmitters and good engineers.
 
Bill Drake said:
And of course we have the mighty 1480 here in Phoenix that has no signal anywhere in the north valley.

Being on 1480 may have more to do with that than anything else. And why do you bring that station up? What is the relevance to KIKO?

where do you guys get your radios tat allow for 20HZ separation with no problems?

Anywhere radios are sold. And it's been that way since the 50's. As I said, 20 kHz separation has been common in other parts of the Hemisphere for 60 years.

Having been the owner of stations with that separation and which were most successful, I can tell you that there was no difficulty on the part of listeners in tuning in the stations with no interference... and that was pre-NRSC.

Probably from the same fairytale land where you get all your radio "facts."

I even gave you the frequencies of significant facilities at 20 kHz separation in the world's largest radio market: La 69, (XEN) 100 kw / 20 kw on 690, XEMP 20 kw / 10 kw on 710 and XEX "Estadio X" on 730 with 100 kw, all licensed to Mexico City.

your justification for cramming more AM stations into a finite space has created a morass of overlapping signals that render service beyond 20 or 30 miles a rarity.

Most US Am stations don't cover 20 or 30 miles. At night, they cover less. But the real issue with AM is noise... dimmers, CFLs, computers, electronics, medical devices, etc. It takes about a 10 mV/M signal to get good indoor reception in a metro like Phoenix today, and that means most stations don't cover the market even in the daytime.

Of course FM's days are numbered as well, at least to those who aren't wearing rose colored glasses.

But, if you bother to listen to things like the Emmis quarterly call, radio companies are moving distribution into new channels. THose that know how to do it will be around, just using new distribution methods. AM has faded and FM picked up the ball... next will be personal smart devices.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Bill Drake said:
Or MAYBE KIKO should have done this:

http://radio-locator.com/info/KCWG-FL

I'll bet if you knocked on the door at this station, a live person would answer.

Let's see, using DE's non-Vulcan logic.... Hmm.. Crown King... a lot like Jerome..... PERFECT solution!

Let's see:

LPFM. 1 Watt Power. 133 persons in the 60 dbu contour. Prohibited from taking advertising, must be run as a non-profit. The format is listed as "religion."

I'll bet that either it only runs a few hours a day, or it repeats quite a bit from another station. Just guessing, but what other possibilities are there for a station that covers 133 people... the in-store music at a single Fry's reaches more people.

And the situation is in no way comparable to KIKO, which is a commercial station.

Well, DE, if you knew anything about the history of radio, you would realize most stations started off as experiments or hobbies. Oh I forget. You are part of the "radio is a cash cow" crowd. Milk it dry with minimal investment and the least passable amount of quality (if any) programming.

That mindset is what has killed the industry

There's no prohibition for the CK station seeking more power if that would be to any advantage. Don't make any assumptions unless you have facts to back them up.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Bill Drake said:
Are you kidding me? Why are so many Spanish radio stations OVERMODULATED and generally of piss-poor audio quality? Is that a requisite or a throw back to 1900's vacuum tube technology?

"Spanish radio stations" are in Spain. And in Spain, the technology is probably more advanced than in most US stations.

If you mean "Spanish language stations" then say so.

"So many." Name enough, please, to convince us that "many" is an appropriate term.

Most Spanish language stations I hear in AZ have pretty good audio, and the processing is appropriate for the format. The ones I have actually been inside have either the last generation or the current generation Omnias or Optimods, state of the art studios, links and transmitters and good engineers.

Forgive me. I was going to say "Mexican Language Radio Stations" but I know how touchy some people can be about the use of that word. A dying format targeting a questionable subset of the population.

So it's okay for you to speak in generalities referring to "Most Spanish (shouldn't that be "Mexican?") language stations..."

Okay: KNUV, KBMB, KLNZ, KNAI..... for starters.... Anything with an "X" as a starting call letter (unless it's along the U.S. border targeting an Anglo audience). The rest? They may sound good on a pawn shop boom box but on any decent quality radio they sound third tier. Is "distortion" a part of that culture or what?

KLNZ is the worst. I never before heard an FM station splatter over onto second and third channel adjacents....
 
DavidEduardo said:
Bill Drake said:
And of course we have the mighty 1480 here in Phoenix that has no signal anywhere in the north valley.

Being on 1480 may have more to do with that than anything else. And why do you bring that station up? What is the relevance to KIKO?

where do you guys get your radios tat allow for 20HZ separation with no problems?

Anywhere radios are sold. And it's been that way since the 50's. As I said, 20 kHz separation has been common in other parts of the Hemisphere for 60 years.

Having been the owner of stations with that separation and which were most successful, I can tell you that there was no difficulty on the part of listeners in tuning in the stations with no interference... and that was pre-NRSC.

Probably from the same fairytale land where you get all your radio "facts."

I even gave you the frequencies of significant facilities at 20 kHz separation in the world's largest radio market: La 69, (XEN) 100 kw / 20 kw on 690, XEMP 20 kw / 10 kw on 710 and XEX "Estadio X" on 730 with 100 kw, all licensed to Mexico City.

your justification for cramming more AM stations into a finite space has created a morass of overlapping signals that render service beyond 20 or 30 miles a rarity.

Most US Am stations don't cover 20 or 30 miles. At night, they cover less. But the real issue with AM is noise... dimmers, CFLs, computers, electronics, medical devices, etc. It takes about a 10 mV/M signal to get good indoor reception in a metro like Phoenix today, and that means most stations don't cover the market even in the daytime.

Of course FM's days are numbered as well, at least to those who aren't wearing rose colored glasses.

But, if you bother to listen to things like the Emmis quarterly call, radio companies are moving distribution into new channels. THose that know how to do it will be around, just using new distribution methods. AM has faded and FM picked up the ball... next will be personal smart devices.

No, being short spaced to 1510 might be the reason. Apparently you were out of class on the day the FCC originally had AM spacing requirements as well. As for relevance to this thread, I would call you to look at your many UNRELATED responses in your above posts.

NAME some of these radios that are available "anywhere" as you state. Or maybe you'd like to borrow my Sangeans that go postal trying to hold half the FM stations in the city.

"Most" U.S. stations don't cover 20-30 miles? Did you scientifically arrive at that number or is that more of your legendary hyperbole?

As for the interference problem caused by the myriad of consumer toys, that could have been prevented but at this stage of the game the genie is out of the bottle.

As someone who is involved with students from Middle School through College, I can tell you that the future is in non commercial entertainment devices. Something about twenty minutes plus of commercials and restricted, repetitive playlists doesn't really sell with this crowd.

I knew engaging in a conversation with you would be something akin to jock itch: very irritating. This board needs an "ignore" button!
 
Bill Drake said:
No, being short spaced to 1510 might be the reason. Apparently you were out of class on the day the FCC originally had AM spacing requirements as well.

AM's were and are protected based on signal strength determined by actual operation. FMs were, once classes of station were established, protected based on the class of station, irrespective of actual operation.

The FCC does not have AM spacing requirements by class. It has protection requirements based on co-channel, adjacent channel (and so on) contours. Directional operation, conductivity, power, etc. all come into play. And that's without getting into skywave protection (where the only distance related protection does exist but only for a subset of one class of station).

The stations licensed to 1510 and 1480 in different communities of license met the FCC requirements when licensed as well as when the power increases were granted. Keep in mind that when Shel Engel licensed 1510, the possible powers were 250 watts, 500, 1000 and 5000 watts as well as 10, 25 and 50 kw. No incremental or "odd" powers were allowed.

In any event, 1510 and 1480 are at more than adequate separation, and similar separations exist in many markets. KBRT 740 and KSPN 710 in LA are good examples. Or 840 and 870 in two different communities in the Las Vegas metro area. 990 and 1020 in the Miami/Dade metro. And many, many, many more. All meet the overlap requirements and city of license requirements.

As for relevance to this thread, I would call you to look at your many UNRELATED responses in your above posts.

Again, the thread is about KIKO and a proposal to move it from Globe to Apache Junction. That subject is related to the signals on the adjacent and next adjacent channels, as well as the issues of the community of license and the bigger picture of the viability of AM anywhere today.

NAME some of these radios that are available "anywhere" as you state. Or maybe you'd like to borrow my Sangeans that go postal trying to hold half the FM stations in the city.

Well, when I owned 590 and 570 AM which were licensed to the same city, Quito, Ecuador, I never heard of a single complaint that anyone could not tune in either station on any kind of radio made at the time... everything from Philips and Grundig and Telefunken console radios to the run of the mill transistor portables of the time from Japan and the US.

In fact, my 570, which was the #1 station in the market, had enough listeners that I would have known of any interference quickly, either from my own 590 station or the station on 550 to the other side. One of my other stations, at 805 AM, had neighbors at 785 and 835 kHz, and none of us hurt the other. The biggest sequence of 20 KHz stations there was 860, 880, 900, 920, 940, 960 and then a jump to 990. There was also 1070, 1090, 1111, 1140, 1160, 1180, 1210, 1225, 1245 and then 1280. They operated just fine, too. All were licensed to the same city, some had adjacent transmitters, and all were fulltime and nondirectional.

I also have an assortment of receivers including several Sangeans, a Tecsun, several good Sony world band portables, a Drake R8, a TenTec, two ICOMs, and a number of Boston Acoustics as well as a rather extensive collection of early transistor "pocket radios" in working condition. They can all separate locals at 20 kHz, and a number of the portables have been in places where AMs are closer spaced.

"Most" U.S. stations don't cover 20-30 miles? Did you scientifically arrive at that number or is that more of your legendary hyperbole?

No, I simply ran the 5 mV/M contours of a random sample of 200 AMs and looked at the radius of the daytime contour for non-DA stations and the distance to the greatest null for the directionals.

Let's start with the 6 Class C channels... former Class IV's. How many of the roughly 1000 stations on those 6 channels do you think has a 5 mV/m that goes beyond 30 miles? While there may be a few in the 30 conductivity areas of the great plains, most don't approach that distance or come even close. And in most urban areas, 5 mV/m is below the minimum to be listenable at home or at work.

As for the interference problem caused by the myriad of consumer toys, that could have been prevented but at this stage of the game the genie is out of the bottle.

The genie was out of the bottle 50 years ago with the proliferation of fluorescent lights and diathermy machines and such. This is irreversible at this point as the importance of computers and energy saving CFLs (whatever we may think of them) is of far more economic impact than AM radio.

A bigger issue is that even without interference, the most reputable data source in the US only identifies about 160 viable AMs in the top 100 markets... many having none. Sprawling metros have gone way beyond the coverage of stations and classes established in the early 30's and which were outdated just a decade or so after W.W. II.

I knew engaging in a conversation with you would be something akin to jock itch: very irritating. This board needs an "ignore" button!

What this particular discussion needs from you are some actual facts, citations and references. You have made not a single claim that can be substantiated.
 
Bill Drake said:
Forgive me. I was going to say "Mexican Language Radio Stations" but I know how touchy some people can be about the use of that word. A dying format targeting a questionable subset of the population.

There is no such language as "Mexican" unless you want to generalize and consider Náhuatl to be the original language of the central part of modern day México.

"Mexican" is a nationality and, to some extent, a culture or cultural subset and also in some ways an ethnicity.

"Mexican" is not a format (there are dozens of formats on stations in Mexico itself, in fact) and there is no Spanish language format that is exclusive to Mexicans alone.

As to shrinkage, Hispanics have grown from around 40 million in the 2000 Census to to 55 million today. The very large segment that has Spanish as a birth tongue will continue to use Spanish language radio all their life... probably longer than terrestrial radio will last.

So it's okay for you to speak in generalities referring to "Most Spanish (shouldn't that be "Mexican?") language stations..."

Again, there is no such language as "Mexican."

Okay: KNUV, KBMB, KLNZ, KNAI..... for starters....

KLNZ and KNAI both sound as good as the average Phoenix FM. KNUV is a station that has been through various bouts of bankruptcy and has not a reportable listener in the ratings. KBMB is dependent on the feed from ESPN, which is a Disney company...

Anything with an "X" as a starting call letter (unless it's along the U.S. border targeting an Anglo audience).

Most Mexican stations, just as most US stations, sound quite decent. A few, generally ones that are economically failing, can sound dreadful, whether in Michigan or Michoacán.

The rest? They may sound good on a pawn shop boom box but on any decent quality radio they sound third tier. Is "distortion" a part of that culture or what?

You are confusing the sound and characteristics of music forms you obviously either don't like or don't understand with the technical nature of the stations that broadcast them. You may not like the music, but that is no reason to make rude and insensitive comments about it.

KLNZ is the worst. I never before heard an FM station splatter over onto second and third channel adjacents....

And this is something you can document, starting by clarifying that you are not in the blanketing zone of the KLNZ transmitter?
 
I have see NOTHING from you that bears any relevance to reality. Your comparisons of 740 and 710 in the LA market are completely at variance with 1480 and 1510 in Phoenix. One is 22kw and the other is 5kw. Quite a different from LA. The frequencies 710 and 740 are also completely different than 1480 and 1510.

I am not interested in your recollections of stations long ago owned. I note all your experience seems to be in the PAST. None of your statements regarding stations in third world countries can be proved at this point. Neither can your ludicrous statement about today's consumer grade AM receivers being able to easily distinguish short spaced stations. I have two Sangeans and a Radio Shack receiver and 20HZ is a real challenge; I would dare say impossible. Even 30HZ is a stretch. Where do you get these magic radios?

So YOU never received any complaints regarding short spacing. Were these stations of yours operating with equal or near equal power with transmitters spaced far apart or near by? I don't see any of the ones listed operating above 1280kHz. That too makes a big difference from stations short spaced in the 1400 or 1500s.

I have noticed from all of your posts that when Emperor Eduardo says something, that's it; end of any discussion. That's not the way it works. I guess you also missed Debating 101, too. From your attitude, it would seem you have declared yourself the God of Radio Info. That position is already taken and I don't plan on retiring soon. Saying it is so doesn't, with apologies to Patrick Stewart, "Make it so!" I have also noticed that you seem to troll through radio-info, posting in multiple markets. Reminds me of ants in the kitchen....

In the 1970s there was an attempt to start a class iv (1450) in jefferson city, mo. That went nowhere because of objections from stations on 1460 in St. Charles and 1440 in Quincy, IL. Both are much more than 20 miles away. Go get your Office Max calipers and check the distance down to the tenth of a mile because you seem to live in that kind of stark world.

In that same time frame, KLIK in Jefferson City was upgrading to add a night time option for its (then) 950 operation. That station was easily receivable in St. Louis, Kansas City and as far south as Mt. Vernon. The station had to jump through numerous hoops to satisfy concerns by stations operating on the same frequency in Oelwein, IA (then 500 w D) and Chicago, IL. Both were a hell of a lot further away than 20, 30, or even 150 miles.

So the standards have been relaxed. Far too much. THAT is one of the LEADING causes of the degradation of AM reception.

If you still are a disbeliever, try looking at the 1260 family. Start with Syracuse NY and work Westward through Erie and Cleveland. Totally ludicrous assignments that create the very unwarranted interference the FCC was supposed to prevent. They were ludicrous when these stations operated with 5KW and they are even more so now that some have jumped power considerably higher.

And referencing your earlier posts, so YOU actually think its BAD that the LPFM station in CK can't accept commercial ads? My god, You ARE part of the problem! Frankly, I had to run to WalMart for a jaw brace after reading your statement about TV rendering clear channel stations irrelevant.

Maybe the future of LPFM should be LPAM. Certainly the FCC and the industry have done everything in their power to keep anyone other than a mega corporation from having a voice on the airwaves. At least there might be some LIVE, LOCAL programming. Of course I doubt if you get that. I remember when radio was 2 minutes and 30 seconds from dead air 24/7 (Now stations have computers that create their own dead air). That's all gone now and I bet you can sit there in your ethereal base and say things are actually better? I think not. Apparently a lot of people agree with me because radio listenership is falling, not rising.

Please let's not rehash that debate. It's like trying to drag a horse, kicking and screaming, to water and making him drink....

Welcome to the real world. I'm afraid you're in for a bumpy ride.
 
Bill Drake said:
Well, DE, if you knew anything about the history of radio, you would realize most stations started off as experiments or hobbies.

You might try the link at the bottom of this page before you make such an absolutely absurd statement.

And radio lost its "hobby" status more than 80 years ago. Once the receiver manufacturers like Stromberg Carlson (WHAM, for example) and Westinghouse got into radio, followed by retailers and insurance companies and car dealers and the like (very early 20's) the hobbyists started dropping out. The FRC was pretty much the kiss of death...

Oh I forget. You are part of the "radio is a cash cow" crowd. Milk it dry with minimal investment and the least passable amount of quality (if any) programming.

Sometime when you are willing to listen I'll tell you about how quality news programming during a dictatorship brought guys with guns to my door. I can give you lessons in "quality" programming.


There's no prohibition for the CK station seeking more power if that would be to any advantage. Don't make any assumptions unless you have facts to back them up.

The fact is that the Crown King station is an LPFM, and they are limited to 100 watts or the equivalent. Since KCWG has a HAAT of over 2400 feet, I think they are pretty much maxed out.
 
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