Fleeing Globe

[davideduardo]

Personally, I'd define CH as Como, Sinatra, Crosby. Martin et al but radio calls them Standards.

As I said, if you ask 10 people what they think "oldies" are, you will get 20 opinions.

 

[landtuna]

If you look at the time-frame of the first oldies stations in the '70s, their "oldies" were only 10 to 20 years old at the time.

I don't remember any station branding itself as Oldies in the 70's. Most were still using the Top-40 brand although they sometimes played late 50's and early 60's songs (especially the dreaded "girl groups"). IIRC some used the term "solid gold" as well.

The Bee Gees and Donna Summer are to this generation what Glen Miller and Duke Ellington were to mine, and MC Hammer is the equivalent of Eddie Fisher, at least in relative time.

Bear in mind the Bee Gee's were a fairly popular rock band before they turned Disco. You need to be careful when using them as an example. Personally, I have all their early stuff but only one Disco hit (Stayin' Alive).

 

[davideduardo]

Correct. Disco is dance music. Rap is spoken word junk.

Rap is not "spoken word." If it is part of your experience and heritage, then it is not junk, either.

I don't think any music is junk... I like some, dislike other kinds. But that is a personal preference, and does not allow me to denigrate that which others enjoy.

Rap has roots in the scats of jazz and the soneos of salsa and Afroantillean music. And in the "controversias" of rural Antillean music. All were rhythmicly delivered recitals, with improvisation being the key.

Since all the mentioned music styles are rooted in the Black experience in this Hemisphere, they are part of a very, very long heritage which has really only changed slightly in a century. And all hearken back to the troubador... the story-teller-set-to-music who related oral history, eventually adding rhyme to the epic stories they told.

So rap, far from being junk, actually tells stories in that fascinating improvisational style... live performances often include spontaneous lyrics and the ability to create on the fly is the mark of a good rapper, just as it is in jazz or salsa or the Puerto Rican décima.

I have a playlist called "oldies" on my iPad. It covers the late 50's to the early 90's, has songs in 6 languages, from perhaps 25 countries and a similar number of distinguishable styles. That's what the term means to me...

 

[johndavis]

I don't remember any station branding itself as Oldies in the 70's.

Try KOOL-FM in the mid 70's.

 

[KeithE4]

I don't remember any station branding itself as Oldies in the 70's.

Try KOOL-FM in the mid 70's.

IIRC, KOOL-FM became an oldies station in 1971. WFBQ Indianapolis went oldies in late 1972 or early '73.

 

[KeithE4]

The Bee Gees and Donna Summer are to this generation what Glen Miller and Duke Ellington were to mine, and MC Hammer is the equivalent of Eddie Fisher, at least in relative time.

Bear in mind the Bee Gee's were a fairly popular rock band before they turned Disco. You need to be careful when using them as an example. Personally, I have all their early stuff but only one Disco hit (Stayin' Alive).

But much of their early stuff is all but forgotten today. They're far better known for their Saturday Night Fever soundtrack than they are for songs like "I Started a Joke" and "New York Mining Disaster 1941."

 

[landtuna]

I don't remember any station branding itself as Oldies in the 70's.

Try KOOL-FM in the mid 70's.

I didn't begin listening to KOOL-FM until I moved to the Valley permanently in late '79. Although they played Oldies I seem to remember their branding was "Greatest Hits".

 

[landtuna]

The Bee Gees and Donna Summer are to this generation what Glen Miller and Duke Ellington were to mine, and MC Hammer is the equivalent of Eddie Fisher, at least in relative time.

Bear in mind the Bee Gee's were a fairly popular rock band before they turned Disco. You need to be careful when using them as an example. Personally, I have all their early stuff but only one Disco hit (Stayin' Alive).

But much of their early stuff is all but forgotten today. They're far better known for their Saturday Night Fever soundtrack than they are for songs like "I Started a Joke" and "New York Mining Disaster 1941."

Today that is true but there was a time when they were very popular for their Beatles type sound.

 

[davideduardo]

I don't remember any station branding itself as Oldies in the 70's. Most were still using the Top-40 brand although they sometimes played late 50's and early 60's songs (especially the dreaded "girl groups"). IIRC some used the term "solid gold" as well.

I remember WMOD in DC using the "oldies" term in the late 60's for its solid gold format. Golden oldies, solid gold and oldies were all terms used then. Keep in mind that the "oldies" term came from Art Laboe's "oldies but goodies" phrase coined around 1957, and the terms were in common use even in the 60's.

The first oldies stations mixed the terms, but oldies was definitely in use around '69 when I recall recording jingles for Million Dollar Music WEEL outside DC. Oldies stations like KRTH date from the very early 70s, and they definitely did not want to be identified with Top 40, which is not to say that Top 40's towards the middle of the 60's did not play gold or flashbacks or "number one then - number one now" features.

When I interviewed for a position at KOOL-FM in about 1973, the term "oldies" was definitely in use... right in Phoenix.

 

[landtuna]

When I interviewed for a position at KOOL-FM in about 1973, the term "oldies" was definitely in use... right in Phoenix.

I wasn't living here then.

In '73 I had moved from NYC to Rochester, NY then to Richmond, VA. I don't remember radio in Rochester from those days but it would have been WABC or WOR-FM in NY and WRVQ-FM or WLEE in Richmond. None of those branded themselves Oldies. There was also a station in the DC area that I'd catch driving back and forth to Baltimore. It played the same type of music as those above and identified itself as coming from "Morningside". I don't remember the calls but could it have been WPGC?

 

[davideduardo]

In '73 I had moved from NYC to Rochester, NY then to Richmond, VA. I don't remember radio in Rochester from those days but it would have been WABC or WOR-FM in NY and WRVQ-FM or WLEE in Richmond. None of those branded themselves Oldies. There was also a station in the DC area that I'd catch driving back and forth to Baltimore. It played the same type of music as those above and identified itself as coming from "Morningside". I don't remember the calls but could it have been WPGC?

WABC, till it quit doing music, was Top 40. WLEE and WRVQ were Top 40 through the 70's, too. Oldies stations were not Top 40's that played some gold... they were pure oldies formats, even then.

WOR went through so many variants, from the stereo rock experiment in the mid 60's to the variant of Top 40 under Drake... so it's hard to tell what you are referring to there.

 

[oldiesfan6479]

There was also a station in the DC area that I'd catch driving back and forth to Baltimore. It played the same type of music as those above and
identified itself as coming from "Morningside". I don't remember the calls but could it have been WPGC?

10-4 Senor Tuna. WPGC Morningside. A daytimer on 1580 (but they also had an FM simulcast).

Meanwhile, what the heck happened to our big to do about dumping the Copper Hills Motor Hotel
for the elusive siren known as A.J.?

 

[DrAkbar]

10-4 Senor Tuna. WPGC Morningside. A daytimer on 1580 (but they also had an FM simulcast).

Now a fulltimer with four times the power of Lumberyard 14~Forty at night and owned by See B. S. Different calls and format, while WPGC~FM remains a highly rated station in D.C. What all this has to do with Fleeing Globe is beyond the Nurse and me. But at least the arrows aren't flying as much as before

 

[landtuna]

Arrows? In a place called Apache Junction?

Say it ain't so! ;D

 

[Kelly Watts]

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KIKO is in a town of 7000, as stated. That's the biggest town in the county, and it's hardly big enough to be considered a "center of trade."

Actually while Globe is the County Seat of Gila County, Payson in the North is over twice as big at slightly over 15,000. Won't go into the politics ot that.

 

[landtuna]

Actually while Globe is the County Seat of Gila County, Payson in the North is over twice as big at slightly over 15,000.

And that doubles to 30,000 when the gas station and Dairy Queen are both open. ;D

 

[Kelly Watts]

Exactly and since we have a jack In The Box, Taco Bell, Mc D', Burger King, And Wendy's we are up to 30,050!

 

[davideduardo]

Actually while Globe is the County Seat of Gila County, Payson in the North is over twice as big at slightly over 15,000. Won't go into the politics ot that.

I missed that... sorry. Probably because Payson seems to look smaller, while Globe with its older style downtown seems to be larger. Looks are deceiving, obviously.

 

[DJ_Perry]

the kind of music you grow to like as an early adolescent follows you forever.

And, yeah, there will be the odd-man-out case of someone who likes classical at age 13 and is a world music partisan today, actively seeking out all manner of things unheard in the process.

Well then I guess that person would be me, as I was raised on many types of music. My dad had a decent record collection that I was lucky enough to play with as a kid. He had all sorts of albums from The Stones, The Doors, Blondie, Donna Summer, The Beatles, Beach Boys, Led Zeppelin. He wasn't big on Disco, but he did like a few artists. My mom went through a classical phase while learning piano. She would play Mozart and Beethoven in the car. Of course I was very attracted to Top 40 Radio as a youngster too. I remember hearing Micheal Jackson, Queen, Phil Collins, Hall & Oats on KOPA. I was also exposed to stuff like Depeche Mode, Oingo Boingo, and Falco from older influences. To make the long story short, I went through many periods of appreciating all sorts of music that were not related to what I was raised on. Whether it was Rap, Techno, Industrial Rock, Alternative, and so on. My issue is that I'm always looking for something new. There are some "Oldies" that I enjoy, but for the most part, I get really annoyed hearing the same song year after year. And Yes the term "oldies" is more than just 50s-70's. Just because one doesn't like Disco or 80's should have no relevance to the meaning.