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There's also a big difference between talking about heroin and fentanyl and selling it to children in the schoolyard. Would *you* like to be the executive explaining to the parents of a kid who's OD'ed why your station has programming that glorifies a dangerous pastime?

People die from gambling problems. People destroy their families, their marriages, their kids' futures. Problem gamblers commit suicide. (I doubt all that many people commit suicide from losing the office pool, but problem gamblers tend to have bookies who are a little more, uhh, forceful that the guy running the football or March Madness pool.) You want to be the GM at KGO when the inevitable happens? Maybe the market manager? Perhaps next to Mary Berner in a courtroom?

That's "the moral issue" I have.
Your emotional reaction to sports betting, and gambling in general, is understandable -- even if I don't agree with what you're saying about it, I see where you're coming from.

But that said, what is your solution? That radio programmers play morality police? Sooner or later the ultimate decision is up to the individual -- whether they gamble, or don't gamble. Sports betting is very popular. Millions of people have voted for the idea by participating. Even some NFL football games have the announcers talking about what the odds were in Las Vegas that one of the two teams would win.

More people's lives are probably ruined by alcohol consumption than sports betting. Yet there are liquor ads all over the internet. It seems half the ads I see on YT music vids are advertising some sort of alcoholic beverage (their algorithm is a bit off, perhaps -- I don't even drink). I think the Super Bowl TV ads have a lot of them, too. The visual ads I see on the internet make liquor and alcohol consumption look quite glamorous. Would you also ban those?

You know, radio people -- including some here I've disagreed with from time to time -- are pretty smart, and savvy people. They have to be, to survive in the medium.

They realize that they are providing a service and they need advertisements to make a living. And they don't have the legal or scientific resources at their fingers to test every product, research all claims extensively, or even -- in the case of sports betting -- research all of the statistical liabilities of betting on sports,

And at the same time, they have bills to pay.

Sports betting is immensely popular. It's legal in much of the US. Ultimately it's the listener's decision to determine what they do with the sports betting information. In my case, I see it subsidizing the other sports talk. KGO San Francisco runs WW1 NFL play by play and other, more regular Sports Talk programming. It's not Sports Bet talk 24-7.

Maybe if an NYC station flips to sports-bet talk they'll do what KGO does -- mix it with other sports talk programming. Like I said, WFAN's website has a portal to BetQL. KGO is running sports bet talk segments in much the same way -- including it in the rest of the sports programming.
 
Do you understand there's a big difference between TALKING about odds and bets, and actually gambling? That's where you start.

The fact is that every person I know in every line of work has an office pool that picks winners for every week of the NFL season. Explain the moral issue you have with that.
Football is the tip the iceberg. March Madness is a short window with a whole bunch of money exchanged. Then we now have the in-season tournament in the NBA that I'm willing to bet (pun intended) the league hopes will gain attention over the next few years.
 
Your emotional reaction to sports betting, and gambling in general, is understandable -- even if I don't agree with what you're saying about it, I see where you're coming from.

But that said, what is your solution? That radio programmers play morality police? Sooner or later the ultimate decision is up to the individual -- whether they gamble, or don't gamble. Sports betting is very popular. Millions of people have voted for the idea by participating. Even some NFL football games have the announcers talking about what the odds were in Las Vegas that one of the two teams would win.

More people's lives are probably ruined by alcohol consumption than sports betting. Yet there are liquor ads all over the internet. It seems half the ads I see on YT music vids are advertising some sort of alcoholic beverage (their algorithm is a bit off, perhaps -- I don't even drink). I think the Super Bowl TV ads have a lot of them, too. The visual ads I see on the internet make liquor and alcohol consumption look quite glamorous. Would you also ban those?

You know, radio people -- including some here I've disagreed with from time to time -- are pretty smart, and savvy people. They have to be, to survive in the medium.

They realize that they are providing a service and they need advertisements to make a living. And they don't have the legal or scientific resources at their fingers to test every product, research all claims extensively, or even -- in the case of sports betting -- research all of the statistical liabilities of betting on sports,

And at the same time, they have bills to pay.

Sports betting is immensely popular. It's legal in much of the US. Ultimately it's the listener's decision to determine what they do with the sports betting information. In my case, I see it subsidizing the other sports talk. KGO San Francisco runs WW1 NFL play by play and other, more regular Sports Talk programming. It's not Sports Bet talk 24-7.

Maybe if an NYC station flips to sports-bet talk they'll do what KGO does -- mix it with other sports talk programming. Like I said, WFAN's website has a portal to BetQL. KGO is running sports bet talk segments in much the same way -- including it in the rest of the sports programming.
NYC as a market reaches Connecticut, where we have Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods. That alone should help in listenership, especially if we're talking an AM signal. I get 880 and 660 up in New Hampshire at night, am I'm sure it's even more clear in Connecticut. I'm sure people would be happy to have a signal with Betting content when they make plans for casino trips.
 
There's also a big difference between talking about heroin and fentanyl and selling it to children in the schoolyard. Would *you* like to be the executive explaining to the parents of a kid who's OD'ed why your station has programming that glorifies a dangerous pastime?

People die from gambling problems. People destroy their families, their marriages, their kids' futures. Problem gamblers commit suicide. (I doubt all that many people commit suicide from losing the office pool, but problem gamblers tend to have bookies who are a little more, uhh, forceful that the guy running the football or March Madness pool.) You want to be the GM at KGO when the inevitable happens? Maybe the market manager? Perhaps next to Mary Berner in a courtroom?

That's "the moral issue" I have.
You must be #1 on invite lists for partys. :ROFLMAO:
Theres that saying "Nobody has a gambling problem....they have a losing problem."
 
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98.7 could remain Sports. Dark Horse candidate buyer - Madison Square Garden! They buy the station, move the studio equipment somewhere within the Garden; the Knicks and Rangers stay where they're at on the dial; they might be able to steal Michael Kay away from YES to MSG TV. They may even to be able to make a little money from the venture. Certainly they would have a decent 6K watt signal to promote all things MSG.
 
You must be #1 on invite lists for partys. :ROFLMAO:
Theres that saying "Nobody has a gambling problem....they have a losing problem."
Yeah, my writing style can sound a bit over the top sometimes. (I was the one student who aced the Creative Writing course in my engineering school.) But that doesn't negate the magnitude of either problem.

Make a deal with you: *You* get yourself into either a gambling or a drug problem (dealer's choice, as they say), suffer the consequences, then come back and tell me how over the top I was.
 
98.7 could remain Sports. Dark Horse candidate buyer - Madison Square Garden! They buy the station, move the studio equipment somewhere within the Garden; the Knicks and Rangers stay where they're at on the dial; they might be able to steal Michael Kay away from YES to MSG TV. They may even to be able to make a little money from the venture. Certainly they would have a decent 6K watt signal to promote all things MSG.
MSG has no interest in owning and operating a radio station.

Michael Kay is never leaving YES and his Yankees gig to go back to MSG, and do what? They haven't broadcasted baseball in about 20 years.
 
Your emotional reaction to sports betting, and gambling in general, is understandable -- even if I don't agree with what you're saying about it, I see where you're coming from.
Yeah, I do have fun with the writing part of these posts. That doesn't mean what I'm writing isn't serious.
But that said, what is your solution? That radio programmers play morality police? Sooner or later the ultimate decision is up to the individual -- whether they gamble, or don't gamble. Sports betting is very popular. Millions of people have voted for the idea by participating. Even some NFL football games have the announcers talking about what the odds were in Las Vegas that one of the two teams would win.
It's one thing to *discuss* the odds, or how the teams stack up in a sports talk program. That's information. It's something else to run programming whose primary purpose is to entice listeners to gamble their money on games, and oh by the way, we have a betting platform for them to do it on. Heads we win, tails you lose. It's not exactly like the betting programs are soft and understated, it's a hard sell.
More people's lives are probably ruined by alcohol consumption than sports betting. Yet there are liquor ads all over the internet. It seems half the ads I see on YT music vids are advertising some sort of alcoholic beverage (their algorithm is a bit off, perhaps -- I don't even drink). I think the Super Bowl TV ads have a lot of them, too. The visual ads I see on the internet make liquor and alcohol consumption look quite glamorous. Would you also ban those?
Turns out the FCC used to ban hard liquor ads on broadcast TV and radio. Not sure what year that changed. (Maybe when the NAB Code of Conduct, or whatever it was formally called, was found to be restraint of trade by the courts.) Beer ads were legal as far back as I can recall, and wine ads started being run in (IIRC) the Sixties, when big producers like E & J Gallo and Paul Masson realized TV and radio could be effective vehicles for boosting sales. But you never saw or heard spots for the hard stuff, whether or not the networks or stations would have loved to have that extra revenue. I presume the blowback wasn't thought to be worth it.
You know, radio people -- including some here I've disagreed with from time to time -- are pretty smart, and savvy people. They have to be, to survive in the medium.
Generally, I agree with you about that. Though I've met a few morons in my time.
They realize that they are providing a service and they need advertisements to make a living. And they don't have the legal or scientific resources at their fingers to test every product, research all claims extensively, or even -- in the case of sports betting -- research all of the statistical liabilities of betting on sports,
You don't need to research or test every product that's being advertised on your property. You just need to do it with those few that don't pass the sniff test. And, I think, it's as simple as, would you want your son or daughter or sibling to buy that Balance of Nature pill, or gamble away their paycheck, or get sloshed every weekend? Would you want your kid to OD on a pill that might be 80% fentanyl? If you wouldn't buy/use/drink/bet it, and you wouldn't want your own family members to do the same, then maybe you should think twice about accepting ads for it.

Ethics isn't all that freakin' difficult.
And at the same time, they have bills to pay.

Sports betting is immensely popular. It's legal in much of the US. Ultimately it's the listener's decision to determine what they do with the sports betting information. In my case, I see it subsidizing the other sports talk. KGO San Francisco runs WW1 NFL play by play and other, more regular Sports Talk programming. It's not Sports Bet talk 24-7.
As I've written before, I take a special interest in KGO. I've met some of their previous honchos. I've been to the station and the transmitter by the South Bay. Hell, I can look out my window and see their towers. They pump out 50KW up and down the west coast. It pains me a bit that their flamethrower signal is being wasted in an effort to ensnare a small number of listeners in a scheme to lose their lunch money. Shove that crap on the tertiary signal up on 1050, not on either of the 680 or 810 flamethrowers.

If you can't pay your bills without scamming your listeners, maybe you should sell the stations, or donate them to a non-profit, or just turn in the license. Because even if they're not technically bankrupt (in the financial sense), they definitely are in the moral one.
Maybe if an NYC station flips to sports-bet talk they'll do what KGO does -- mix it with other sports talk programming. Like I said, WFAN's website has a portal to BetQL. KGO is running sports bet talk segments in much the same way -- including it in the rest of the sports programming.
I guess the question is, how much of the programming goes to sports betting? 20% on weekends? 60% of 24x7? KGO's a lot closer to the latter, and I'd hate to see one of the legacy clears in NYC move in the same direction.

If it happened on some pipsqueak signal up in the graveyard, I've bite my lip and ignore it. But WCBS? or WFAN? Or WINS, WEPN, WOR, WABC, etc? No, absolutely not. If those owners can't program better quality stuff -- and it's not like there are no other options -- then they should turn in (or lose) their license(s).
 
MSG has no interest in owning and operating a radio station.

Michael Kay is never leaving YES and his Yankees gig to go back to MSG, and do what? They haven't broadcasted baseball in about 20 years.
Nobody in their right mind, or who has other options, is crawling into bed voluntarily with James (or any other) Dolan. (In the business, not sexual, sense. There's no accounting for taste.)
 
If you can't pay your bills without scamming your listeners, maybe you should sell the stations, or donate them to a non-profit, or just turn in the license. Because even if they're not technically bankrupt (in the financial sense), they definitely are in the moral one.

They'd LOVE to sell KGO. Who would buy it? They have a bunch of boat anchor AMs they're trying to sell, starting with KABC.

The next step will be donate or shut them down. It depends on the tax cycle. But the only money in the cluster is KNBR.

This goes back to the 98.7 situation. The best deal Emmis can make is to sell both AM&FM to the same company.
 
Turns out the FCC used to ban hard liquor ads on broadcast TV and radio. Not sure what year that changed. (Maybe when the NAB Code of Conduct, or whatever it was formally called, was found to be restraint of trade by the courts.) Beer ads were legal as far back as I can recall, and wine ads started being run in (IIRC) the Sixties, when big producers like E & J Gallo and Paul Masson realized TV and radio could be effective vehicles for boosting sales. But you never saw or heard spots for the hard stuff, whether or not the networks or stations would have loved to have that extra revenue. I presume the blowback wasn't thought to be worth it.
The FCC did not ban hard liquor ads prior to NAB code being cancelled. But that same NAB code did ban them. But in Puerto Rico, we always ran hard liquor ads at any time of the day. The rum industry self-regulated by not placing ads before 10 AM IIRC.

I recall doing a number of license renewals in Puerto Rico where we filled in the "Policy" section with "NAB Code except for Liquor".
 
The FCC did not ban hard liquor ads prior to NAB code being cancelled. But that same NAB code did ban them. But in Puerto Rico, we always ran hard liquor ads at any time of the day. The rum industry self-regulated by not placing ads before 10 AM IIRC.

I recall doing a number of license renewals in Puerto Rico where we filled in the "Policy" section with "NAB Code except for Liquor".
That's my bad. When I edited myself to add the reference to the NAB code, I didn't change the FCC reference to NAB. Sorry about that.
 
Yeah, my writing style can sound a bit over the top sometimes. (I was the one student who aced the Creative Writing course in my engineering school.) But that doesn't negate the magnitude of either problem.

Make a deal with you: *You* get yourself into either a gambling or a drug problem (dealer's choice, as they say), suffer the consequences, then come back and tell me how over the top I was.
Nope wont happen cause i have discipline.
Dad was a broker Mom a teacher need that for those jobs so mustve got it from them.
Its a very very valuable weapon in both stocks & betting 2 games with alot in common that im both profitable at.
 
Yeah, I do have fun with the writing part of these posts. That doesn't mean what I'm writing isn't serious.

It's one thing to *discuss* the odds, or how the teams stack up in a sports talk program. That's information. It's something else to run programming whose primary purpose is to entice listeners to gamble their money on games, and oh by the way, we have a betting platform for them to do it on. Heads we win, tails you lose. It's not exactly like the betting programs are soft and understated, it's a hard sell.

Turns out the FCC used to ban hard liquor ads on broadcast TV and radio. Not sure what year that changed. (Maybe when the NAB Code of Conduct, or whatever it was formally called, was found to be restraint of trade by the courts.) Beer ads were legal as far back as I can recall, and wine ads started being run in (IIRC) the Sixties, when big producers like E & J Gallo and Paul Masson realized TV and radio could be effective vehicles for boosting sales. But you never saw or heard spots for the hard stuff, whether or not the networks or stations would have loved to have that extra revenue. I presume the blowback wasn't thought to be worth it.

Generally, I agree with you about that. Though I've met a few morons in my time.

You don't need to research or test every product that's being advertised on your property. You just need to do it with those few that don't pass the sniff test. And, I think, it's as simple as, would you want your son or daughter or sibling to buy that Balance of Nature pill, or gamble away their paycheck, or get sloshed every weekend? Would you want your kid to OD on a pill that might be 80% fentanyl? If you wouldn't buy/use/drink/bet it, and you wouldn't want your own family members to do the same, then maybe you should think twice about accepting ads for it.

Ethics isn't all that freakin' difficult.

As I've written before, I take a special interest in KGO. I've met some of their previous honchos. I've been to the station and the transmitter by the South Bay. Hell, I can look out my window and see their towers. They pump out 50KW up and down the west coast. It pains me a bit that their flamethrower signal is being wasted in an effort to ensnare a small number of listeners in a scheme to lose their lunch money. Shove that crap on the tertiary signal up on 1050, not on either of the 680 or 810 flamethrowers.

If you can't pay your bills without scamming your listeners, maybe you should sell the stations, or donate them to a non-profit, or just turn in the license. Because even if they're not technically bankrupt (in the financial sense), they definitely are in the moral one.

I guess the question is, how much of the programming goes to sports betting? 20% on weekends? 60% of 24x7? KGO's a lot closer to the latter, and I'd hate to see one of the legacy clears in NYC move in the same direction.

If it happened on some pipsqueak signal up in the graveyard, I've bite my lip and ignore it. But WCBS? or WFAN? Or WINS, WEPN, WOR, WABC, etc? No, absolutely not. If those owners can't program better quality stuff -- and it's not like there are no other options -- then they should turn in (or lose) their license(s).
Just to be clear, when I used the term 'emotional reaction' I wasn't trying to imply that your opinion was not serious.

Either way, it seemed that you have strong opinions about sports betting, and sports betting radio, and I really don't.

That said, I personally don't think it's "scamming" the audience to run sports bet talk on radio. And there is apparently an audience for the programming. Some sports talk stations get good ratings, but there are other sports talkers don't get ratings, and those in the know here on RD always remind the rest of us that sports talk stations don't necessarily need ratings. What sells them is the ability to reach a specific audience. I.e., the reach. Maybe the sports bet talk programs are happy with the 'reach' that a decent AM signal like KGO has.

Sports betting advertisers and sports bet programs aren't going to want a pipsqueak, rimshot if they can get on a 50KW station with a decent coverage area.

By the way, I don't have any kids, but if I did, and they were adults, they would make their own choices. They always do. And business is business. Next time you walk into a box store take a look around. All the products that can be potentially harmful, from the beer and the wine in the beverage area, to the sugary crap for sale in the bakery section, to many of the OTC medications in the pharmacy section. There's a fine line between a business -- whether it's retail or radio -- making ethical and/or moral choices for their customers, and deciding to sell the products that are legal that customers want.

And I have never heard fentanyl being advertised on radio. I know there is a problem with grey market and black market medications being laced with it, but being that fentanyl is illegal without prescribed, hospital use, I don't' see the equivalency to sports betting on radio, or TV, or the internet, for that matter. It's legal. The place to put a stop to it, if that's what enough people want, is the ballot box.
 
They had their chance when WPLJ was sold. They didn't buy it then. The only people with money are the religious broadcasters. I expect one of them will be the next owner of 98.7. That's just the reality of the situation.
WPLJ was sold as part of a multi-city package from Cumeless to EMF. There were zero reports that any local New York area group bid, or were given a chance to bid on the station.
The upcoming sale of 98.7 will be different. It's one station, with a listed price. Just like in real estate, the high bidder gets it.
 
They'd LOVE to sell KGO. Who would buy it? They have a bunch of boat anchor AMs they're trying to sell, starting with KABC.

The next step will be donate or shut them down. It depends on the tax cycle. But the only money in the cluster is KNBR.

This goes back to the 98.7 situation. The best deal Emmis can make is to sell both AM&FM to the same company.
Emmis does not own 1050AM. GKB does. Emmis owns 1190 WLIB; it's doubtful that including that signal in a package deal with 98.7 would add much value.
 
Emmis owns 1190 WLIB; it's doubtful that including that signal in a package deal with 98.7 would add much value.

But it would get the AM off their hands, so they wouldn't be stuck with it the way Cumulus is with WFAS.

I'm sure if anybody walks up to them with money for WLIB alone they'll take it. But a package deal means they've sold everything.
 
I'm sure if anybody walks up to them with money for WLIB alone they'll take it.
I wonder why IHeart bought WWRL instead of WLIB a few years ago for their Black Information Network. I believe that WLIB has a better signal (and is lower down the AM dial), and there was not much difference in what they would have needed to pay for it.
Perhaps because BIN has so few listeners, it doesn't matter very much.
 
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