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I hear "my boo" and "swing my way" quite a bit on 101.5 JamZ and 104.7 Kiss FM Phoenix. "C'mon & ride it (the train)" and "my boo" are sometimes mixed on Mega 104.3, The Old School Station. So is the Cibola Bass Mix of "anytime" by Brian Mc Knight" occasionally. Not sure if Mega 92.3 or whatever 92.3 in L.A. is now plays it or not.
I see no one in LA has used the bass remix of "Last friday night" by Katy Perry (at least that I've heard of).
Can't believe I fell asleep last night at 12am, in the middle of some interesting mixes. By the time I woke up at 2, nothing was going on!
I see no one in LA has used the bass remix of "Last friday night" by Katy Perry (at least that I've heard of).
Can't believe I fell asleep last night at 12am, in the middle of some interesting mixes. By the time I woke up at 2, nothing was going on!
DavidEduardo said:
David-
I'm not faulting KIIS for leaning Rhythmic (or for skipping those songs)
There were posts claiming the KIIS never ignored rock or pop/rock, so I was refuting those posts
atlantaboy said:
You refuted the posts by saying KIIS missed out on a whole bunch of rock and pop/rock songs, and then didn't have any examples. Your only example was "Tonight Tonight", which is a current, and arguably isn't a very good song. If you're the PD at KIIS and you have to choose between playing a lyrical unimportant, poppy song to fill an uptempo spot on your station, do you go with LMFAO, who is from LA and is more lifestyle appropriate, or with Hot Chelle Rae?
atlantaboy said:
^Lol I didn't have any examples?
And wow at you posting that Tonight Tonight is "arguably not a very good song", but that Party Rock Anthem is a great song hands-down
Also not sure why you have the PD at KIIS "choosing" between LMFAO and Hot Chelle Rae - most PDs nationwide chose both (since both are in the Top 3 on the ITunes chart)
The difference, plain and simple, is that the PD as KIIS knows that pop/rock records don't test well with their 60+% Hispanic audience, so playing Hot Chelle Rae isn't worth risking their core audience changing the station
And wow at you posting that Tonight Tonight is "arguably not a very good song", but that Party Rock Anthem is a great song hands-down
Also not sure why you have the PD at KIIS "choosing" between LMFAO and Hot Chelle Rae - most PDs nationwide chose both (since both are in the Top 3 on the ITunes chart)
The difference, plain and simple, is that the PD as KIIS knows that pop/rock records don't test well with their 60+% Hispanic audience, so playing Hot Chelle Rae isn't worth risking their core audience changing the station
atlantaboy said:
Actually, thats not what I said at all. I said if you had to choose between the two songs- which are both disposable songs and you're the PD of KIIS, which makes more sense to choose? I think they're equally terrible songs.
atlantaboy said:
Most of these songs received decent, if not great, rotation at KIIS. Its a lot less rhythmic of a station than most people would lead you to believe. Plus, it had a pop/rock lean until at least 2004. KAMP, on the other hand....
justpassingthough said:
I mean, I don't really understand what the discussion is here - LMFAO tests well with Hispanics, Hot Chelle Rae doesn't, and the PD at KIIS isn't gonna risk the 60%+ Hispanic core audience changing the station to KAMP or KPWR
Most PDs aren't "choosing" between the two songs anyway (most are playing both) - but again, L. A. has a unique demographic
atlantaboy said:
This discussion started because you were giving KIIS a hard time for skipping "Tonight, Tonight". I'd rather they skip bad songs like Hot Chelle Rae and be early on songs like "Every Teardrop is a Waterfall" or "Pumped Up Kicks". You, yourself, have argued that you think most of the songs charting well today won't hold up as recurrents or gold records down the road. Do you think Hot Chelle Rae will hold up? It reminds me of LFO "Summer Girls". How many times have you heard that on a CHR station in 2011?
justpassingthough said:
No (for the third time), it started because someone posted that Wikipedia was incorrect in stating that KIIS "does not prioritize rock", and I posted that Wikipedia was correct
To back up the fact that KIIS "did not prioritize rock", I posted that it was skipping Hot Chelle Rae and One Republic - and that it skipped most big pop/rock CHR hits from the 2000s (which it did - I have no idea why you posted that they played most of those songs, cause they didn't)
And for what must be the tenth time now, I WOULD DO THE SAME THING IF I WAS PD
justpassingthough said:
It doesn't matter what I think...
Hot Chelle Rae is #8 on the CHR chart, with a +644 bullet - Summer Girls peaked at #19
If you think skipping Hot Chelle Rae is no big deal, or insignificant, you need to go into the "Why Is Cumulus Ignoring Super Bass" thread, and post that skipping Nicki Minaj is no big deal, or not significant
And BTW I guarantee you're not going to post that, cause it's a rhythmic track
atlantaboy said:
There is a difference between skipping what is now the top charting track by a huge artist like Nicki Minaj (she does have the #7 or #8 best selling album of this year) and has charted in the past on CHR versus skipping a one off song by a group that may or may not have another hit.
And as I've said over and over again in the Cumulus thread, I don't care if they skip the track, I just think its surprising they are, considering that she is a popular artist and this is her biggest hit. Not every station has to play every song. Personally, I think this is her worst song, and I don't like hearing it on any CHR station.
justpassingthough said:
Nicki Minaj isn't a "huge artist" on CHR - her past three hits have peaked at #19, #32, and #21, and she hasn't had any others - and what matters anyway is the song, not just the artist, and the Hot Chelle Rae track is selling MORE than the Nicki Minaj track, meaning nationwide, people like the Hot Chelle Rae song BETTER than the Nicki Minaj song
Plus, KIIS is skipping One Republic, who have a HUGE track record of CHR hits, compared to Nicki Minaj, who has barely cracked the Top 20
I mean, to me, what's going on is obvious - Nicki Minaj tests well with Rhythmic listeners, while HCR/One Republic don't, and, essentially, KIIS is targeting a huge percentage of Rhythmic listeners
atlantaboy said:
Hot Chelle Rae is selling more singles than Nicki Minaj, currently. Millions of people bought her record, and already own the song, so they don't have a reason to buy the single again. How many records has Hot Chelle Rae sold? Not to mention, she has spent the past few months opening for Lil Wayne and Britney Spears- two of the biggest musical acts of the past decade. There is a HUGE difference in popularity between Nicki Minaj and Hot Chelle Rae.
Technically, One Republic's biggest hit is guesting on a Timbaland track, so if you're counting that as to their success at CHR, than all of Nicki Minaj's contributions on other artist's tracks have to count too. She was the first artist ever to have seven songs in the Hot 100 simultaneously. She is a huge artist.
justpassingthough said:
GUESTING on a Timbaland track? They wrote and performed the entire song, and Timbo added a drumbeat to it...
At this point, I think you're defending KIIS at all costs, not just by insisting that they lean Rhythmic (which is true), but by insisting that the artists they play are "bigger" than the artists they skip
One Republic is a HUGE CHR artist (3 Top 10 hits, and 2 Top 15 hits) - Nicki Minaj is not (nothing has cracked the Top 15 until now)
I do think though that after years of listening to KIIS (assuming you live in L. A.), you're convinced that what KIIS plays is huge and what KIIS skips is not - and sorry but that's pretty crazy, seeing has how from the early 2000s through about a month ago it's essentially been a Rhythmic station
atlantaboy said:
NO, IT WAS NOT!! You do not live in Los Angeles. You have no idea what KIIS has sounded like for the past 10 years. KIIS spent the better part of the decade favoring pop/rock. Granted, I may be biased from only hearing the stations in LA, but then you're equally as biased from listening to Atlanta stations that sound like they are Hot AC for all intents and purposes.
And what KIIS plays and what KIIS skips IS HUGE. This is Los Angeles. It is the second largest radio market in the country. KIIS is the #1 station in PPM numbers, and is the most influential CHR station in the country. No, not every song that KIIS skips is a failure, and not every song they play is going to be a hit everywhere else, but stations like KIIS and markets like Los Angeles are trendsetters.
This has nothing to do with a rhythmic bias. This has everything to do with who is making hit records that are appropriate for CHR at the time. It is a current based format. If KIIS isn't playing One Republic and lets it go to KBIG, then its most likely because its not a good fit for the demographic. I have never argued any differently, in this thread or in other threads.
Different PD's normally have different ideas and would program a same format / station differently. I wonder if things would still be the same if another PD were at KIIS?
We once had a PD who was not in favor of top 40 dance on KZZP Phoenix in the mid 00's. That changed when he moved to KIIS in L.A. Now I believe he moved to a station in San Francisco. I wonder if any of the previous PD's would've thought Hot Chelle Rae and One Republic were appropriate, and whether or not it would've done well or not?
I remember KZON Phoenix (Rhythmic) wasn't using things like Orianthi or Hot Chelle Rae or whatever that song from the Glee soundtrack was until another guy became PD / MD. It seems like it's up to the person in control at the time to decide what he thinks will work or not, and sometimes, you'll never get to really know if something would've worked or not depending on the decision of whoever is PD / MD at the time.
We once had a PD who was not in favor of top 40 dance on KZZP Phoenix in the mid 00's. That changed when he moved to KIIS in L.A. Now I believe he moved to a station in San Francisco. I wonder if any of the previous PD's would've thought Hot Chelle Rae and One Republic were appropriate, and whether or not it would've done well or not?
I remember KZON Phoenix (Rhythmic) wasn't using things like Orianthi or Hot Chelle Rae or whatever that song from the Glee soundtrack was until another guy became PD / MD. It seems like it's up to the person in control at the time to decide what he thinks will work or not, and sometimes, you'll never get to really know if something would've worked or not depending on the decision of whoever is PD / MD at the time.
atlantaboy said:
While accurate, the predominant single was still billed as "Timbaland featuring OneRepublic", much in the same vein as Rob Thomas' writing and vocal duties in Santana's "Smooth".
(My apologies--I forgot to scream "NERD ALERT".
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