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Denver Former KOA anchor Marty Lenz speaks out on the station's political slant

Instead iHeart went the other way. Get rid of the all-news block in AM drive (other than 5 a.m.). iHeart management thinks having THREE conservative talk outlets in Denver is the way to go? I don't get it.
Looking at the 6+ shares as published by RadioInsight:
October 2025 - 3.0
November 2025 - 4.0 (Broncos were having a very good season by then)
fast-forward to:
February 2026 - 3.5
March 2026 - 2.5

Average KOA 6+ share Nov. 2025-Mar. 2026 was 3.2

Cume: January 2026 was 188,800; March 2026 was 105,000

So far, not an utter failure but not a rousing success, either, with trouble signs.

Meanwhile, KDFD is at a 2.2, same as the previous month; the highest 6+ share since I've been looking at these numbers. Is it possible some KOA listeners have migrated to KDFD? If so, it would appear to be cannibalizing KOA, in which case the answer isn't for KOA to be more like KDFD.

I'm assuming these figures are combined for the AMs and the much weaker FM translators for each station.
 
A few things to consider before sallying forth with the usual point-counterpoint:

1) No one, and I mean NO ONE, calls Colorado Public Radio "KCFR" except for the legal ID. It's Colorado Public Radio, CPR for short, and CPR News for the news-focused service (one of three CPR services).
2) Aside from legal IDs, the only call letters you'll hear on CPR News are "KRCC" because of the deal with Colorado College in the Springs.
3) CPR News has stations in much of the state, including Denver, Colorado Springs, Pueblo, some mountain communities, and the Western Slope (Grand Junction, etc.). So it can't focus on Denver or Denver metro news. It doesn't even do traffic reports. Programming can originate from Denver, Colorado Springs, or Grand Junction.
4) CPR News morning drive is "Morning Edition"; afternoon drive is "All Things Considered". There are local cut-ins, and CPR does custom intros in the afternoons, but a majority of the content comes from NPR. The main local program is "Colorado Matters" from 9-10 am, which is mostly long-form stories and interviews, two or three per program. My opinion is that they should be a little less long-form (it's a very 1980s-1990s NPR approach) but that's where they are.
5) There are multiple public media organizations seeking listener support: CPR, Rocky Mountain PBS (TV and KUVO plus "The Drop" on radio), PBS12 (TV), KGNU from Boulder (AM repeater in Denver), KVCU from Boulder (FM translator in Denver), KUNC in the Fort Collins-Greeley area. I give to three of them; I suspect that's more than most people do.
6) Points 1-5 should explain why CPR isn't a substitute for the former "Colorado Morning News" on KOA, name notwithstanding.
7) iHeart is using a cluster strategy: KDFD for the hard-core right-wingers, KOA for locally based conservtive talk with sports after 3 pm, KHOW for the leftovers. (KHOW's been a leftover station for decades but that's another story.) Salem has KNUS; Crawford has KLZ. Crawford seems to get most of its revenues through local sales.
8) KOA rises and falls with the Denver Broncos. The Broncos did well last season. The Colorado Rockies (baseball), on the other hand....
A couple points to add.
I think some of the shows on KLZ are pay to air, meaning the host pays for air time. Like I kno they have a car show on Saturdays.
Another thing, don't forget KOA has the CU Buffs football and men's basketball games as well and KHOW has the CU Womens games. I am sure that brings in money as well.
 
Marty's not wrong, and KOA is not alone. A parallel conversation was started by a listener nearly six months ago on the Sacramento board, regarding KFBK (where I was News Director and afternoon anchor).

In case you don't want to dive into a whole 'nuther thread, here's what I shared there:

...when I was producer of the KFBK Morning News (2014-2016), Executive Producer and Managing Editor (2016) and News Director (2016-2019), those broadcasts weren't "a little more neutral". They were neutral. Zero adjectives required.

I'll never forget one day, when Dana Hess was doing the 11:00 a.m. newscast during [Rush] Limbaugh. A caller rang through and was irate about what he'd heard. Dana was contradicting Rush with this newscast! I had to explain that Dana did news and Rush did opinion.

Dana saw me on the phone through the glass and when the newscast was over, he came to see if he'd done something wrong.

I told him yes, according to that listener. He'd played a soundbite from a Democratic member of Congress saying something factual without laughing or yelling "LIAR!" over it.

Full thread here: KFBK news has given up
 
That wasn't the question regarding alternatives to KOA. I've already explained, from having lived in the market and listening to the stations that are available to me, why CPR News isn't that alternative. You can reject that explanation if you want, but I know what the situation is "on the ground". You can't wave that away with a deflection.

Your point about CPR not carrying that many local shows applys nationwide to public radio stations as a whole. For example, Phoenix's KJZZ will give you brief information on road closures and other things to watch out for during 90-second breaks from All Things Considered in the afternoon, but if I really want detailed coverage about what may be happening, I move over to Bonnville's KTAR-FM at 92.3 mHz which stops all of its regular programming while the situation is severe and only resumes it when the situation becomes stable. And, like KOA and the other news/talk stations IHeart owns in Denver, KTAR-FM's usual format is conservative talk, albeit with a local flavor during morning and afternoon drive times.

Going back to KJZZ, that station does carry an hour-long show on local issues at 9AM local time on weekdays plus news during Morning Edition and All Things Considered. And, most of the stories and interviews during the local 9am show run between 5 and 10 minutes allowing for a few more stories than CPR is able to cover during its local morning show. Then again, there are many NPR affiliates, especially in smaller markets, that do not *have* a local morning show like CPR does in Denver or KJZZ does in Phoenix.
 
Your point about CPR not carrying that many local shows applys nationwide to public radio stations as a whole. For example, Phoenix's KJZZ will give you brief information on road closures and other things to watch out for during 90-second breaks from All Things Considered in the afternoon, but if I really want detailed coverage about what may be happening, I move over to Bonnville's KTAR-FM at 92.3 mHz which stops all of its regular programming while the situation is severe and only resumes it when the situation becomes stable. And, like KOA and the other news/talk stations IHeart owns in Denver, KTAR-FM's usual format is conservative talk, albeit with a local flavor during morning and afternoon drive times.

Going back to KJZZ, that station does carry an hour-long show on local issues at 9AM local time on weekdays plus news during Morning Edition and All Things Considered. And, most of the stories and interviews during the local 9am show run between 5 and 10 minutes allowing for a few more stories than CPR is able to cover during its local morning show. Then again, there are many NPR affiliates, especially in smaller markets, that do not *have* a local morning show like CPR does in Denver or KJZZ does in Phoenix.

As the pedantic outlier i like to be, KSKO has a local morning show thats chocked full of local info, same for our lunch time and afternoon show. we have 7 hours a day of local programming.

KSKO doesnt do local news like you think of most public radio stations doing. We read local events/psas/local news snippets at 45 after every h ur we have local programming.

Local long or short form interviews... anywhere between 3 and 20 minutes are done through out the broadcast day and week. if theyre important and or short, theyre often done between 7 and 9 or 12-3, usually at 45 after .. if theyre a bit more casual and or have alot to digest and i want to make sure people hear them, ill run them 3 different times during the week. usually an evening during a week day, morning on saturday and afternoon on sunday.. to gather every day part across the week. i determine when and where they air depending on what i deem the interest and importance to be,
 
As the pedantic outlier i like to be, KSKO has a local morning show thats chocked full of local info, same for our lunch time and afternoon show. we have 7 hours a day of local programming.

KSKO doesnt do local news like you think of most public radio stations doing. We read local events/psas/local news snippets at 45 after every h ur we have local programming.
As you said, it's an outlier. Most public radio stations aren't like that. What you appear to have is a small-town radio station that just happens to be run by a nonprofit rather than as a business. Considering the isolation and very small size of the community, that makes sense. But little of it relates to the situation in Colorado that this thread is about.


Your point about CPR not carrying that many local shows applys nationwide to public radio stations as a whole. For example, Phoenix's KJZZ will give you brief information on road closures and other things to watch out for
Colorado Public Radio runs no traffic reports at all. If you want traffic reports in Denver, you have to tune to one of the commercial AM stations.

Going back to KJZZ, that station does carry an hour-long show on local issues at 9AM local time on weekdays plus news during Morning Edition and All Things Considered. And, most of the stories and interviews during the local 9am show run between 5 and 10 minutes allowing for a few more stories than CPR is able to cover during its local morning show. Then again, there are many NPR affiliates, especially in smaller markets, that do not *have* a local morning show like CPR does in Denver or KJZZ does in Phoenix.
This brings up another way in which public radio doesn't serve well as a substitute for a locally-oriented commercial news operation. The morning and afternoon drive times, when local content matters the most, is mostly taken up with national programming. Yes, there are local cut-ins available. The quality of those cut-in varies a lot among stations, dependent largely upon the ability of the individual station (or regional network) to devote resources to quotidian news coverage.

But let's bring this back to the Denver situation. CPR's main local showcase is "Colorado Matters" at 9 am daily. It's mostly features, often long, and seems to have an allergy to coverage of Denver outside of East Colfax and Sherman. CPR can reasonably argue that, if you want its Denver coverage, you can go to its Denverite website, which it bought in 2019. But Denverite is not integrated with CPR's website or apps (when I mentioned this, a CPR staffer said this was because Denverite uses an entirely different content management system, one inherited in 2019, from the one that CPR uses. Seven years later, they still haven't integrated the systems.) and doesn't do much with audio. Yes, there are local cut-ins in NPR news programming but it feels like there's more Colorado Springs content than Denver content. It's kind of strange to downplay coverage of the largest and third-largest cities in the state (Denver and Aurora respectively), but that's what seems to happen. From the northern part of the Front Range, KUNC's local daily show (except Mondays) is "In the NoCo", which replaces about a quarter-hour of Morning Edition. It's a little more focused, since KUNC's main coverage area is around Fort Collins and Greeley. KUNC can be received in Denver and has a translator on Lookout Mountain.

So, let's say you want to hear from Denver's mayor or council members about license-plate readers, which is an ongoing controversy right now. Or from Aurora's mayor about reform in their police department. You're very unlikely to get that from CPR or KUNC...CPR because it tries to be so state-wide that it ignores non-state-government stories out of Denver...KUNC because Denver is not its main area of focus.

The relatively low audience share numbers of CPR compared to public radio stations in other markets is something CPR hasn't done much about.

Hopefully these thoughts don't come across as being too scattered...I'll conclude by saying that the end, essentially, of Colorado's Morning News on KOA left a void in the marketplace, one that the other commercial operators are very unlikely to try to fill. Maybe there's some hope in the prospect of a merger between Rocky Mountain PBS and KUNC. Maybe.
 
A couple points to add.
I think some of the shows on KLZ are pay to air, meaning the host pays for air time. Like I kno they have a car show on Saturdays.
It looks like a good part of the KLZ schedule may be paid for. I think that's much of Crawford's business model. I suspect its two religious stations (KLTT and KLDC) are mostly paid-for programming. KLVZ (Legends) has less such programming but there's still some, especially on the weekends.

Another thing, don't forget KOA has the CU Buffs football and men's basketball games as well and KHOW has the CU Womens games. I am sure that brings in money as well.
I didn't want to list everything that KOA or KHOW carries. That said, Learfield handles broadcast rights for CU games and Learfield does not exactly give those rights away. In other words, iHeart is probably paying a substantial sum to carry those games.
 
Hello all! I'm in the habit of "googling" myself every so often and found this thread. I knew this board existed but hardly traversed this way over the past 8 years.

I appreciate the discussion surrounding my departure and the current climate of news radio. I can't say any of you are completely wrong (or right :) but for the most part you all seem to get the gist. Happy to answer questions more specifically if you are interested or maybe those that weren't addressed or asked in the interview (Jason and CTR did a very good job at representing my thoughts and position; I wouldn't have expected anything less from them).

Admittedly, I do chortle and even snort when I see the FCC Chair invoke and evoke "public interest" while simultaneously saying news and information that may counter the opinions and "strongly held beliefs" of a certain political figure and his followers could incur a license revocation. Professionally and personally, I don't see KOA and the other news-positioned (or postured) stations' current actions as serving that 'prime directive' of 'public interest.'

Having said that, iHeart and KOA have every right to program and staff their stations as they see fit. But as I said in the article, as soon as you even challenge the listener's perspective, they will leave you for more of the "dopamine drip" of confirmation bias.

Happy to continue the discussion, whether it's questions you have of and for me or in the greater media news landscape. Also looking to change my handle to my name or something close. I forgot I had an account and used 'Interloper' as I signed up to keep an ear/eye on things in Denver while I lived away working in other markets.

Marty Lenz
 
Marty Lenz was laid off from KOA's Colorado Morning News (CMN) last October, and the program was reduced to one hour. In this interview with the Colorado Times Recorder website, Lenz describes his commitment to straight-ahead journalism and even-handed coverage...something which he felt that iHeart was less and less favorable toward.

Sample quote:

"As noted earlier, it was always intentional for our program to deliver honest and unbiased news and information. At times, this was challenging, given the structure and perception of KOA — especially during the Covid pandemic. Both April {Zesbaugh, his original co-anchor} and I often felt as though we were “working against our audience.” For example, we would diligently report the latest information, data, protocols, and guidance from experts, epidemiologists, virologists, and policy leaders — only to have it undercut by other programming. While I don’t believe this was intentional, it often seemed driven by serving a “different master.” I have never worked harder professionally or felt a greater sense of responsibility to report, support, and serve our listening community than I did during the pandemic, all while feeling isolated — both physically, for obvious reasons, and professionally — from the rest of our broadcast operation. This experience stands as a valuable “area of opportunity” for anyone involved in programming and news leadership to learn from."

About his layoff, Lenz says:

"I was laid off during iHeart’s annual/semiannual reduction in force. While the official explanation cited cost-cutting — a common factor in many of the company’s business and programming decisions — I believe other considerations were also at play. On several occasions, the current local leadership noted that our style of morning news program was uncommon within iHeart, hinting that changes might be forthcoming. When KOA removed my boss Greg Foster in 2022, our corporate news leaders came in to meet with us. Toward the end of my individual meeting, one of the managers suggested there were things we could do to keep KOA a conservative news outlet. I immediately shot back, “We are not conservative news, we are not liberal news — we are news.” I don’t recall his response; I was stunned by his perspective. Looking back now, I see it as a bit of foreshadowing."

If you wonder why I am so critical of KOA and its rightward slant (while noting it could be worse), this interview provides a good explanation of what the station is doing. The full interview: Pandering Their Way to Oblivion? After Layoff, Former Radio News Anchor Reflects on His Job and the Future of Broadcast Journalism

H/T to Corey Hutchins' Behind the News in Colorado, which pointed out the interview this week. Note that Hutchins describes the political orientation of the Times Recorder as progressive. Other than the headline, though, there's no particular slant in the article, which mostly lets Lenz describe the situation in his own terms.

(Edited to provide a clearer title)
 
iHeart wants to attract and retain its audiences, which are conservative. Doing an even-handed interview with Jared Polis or Mike Johnston (the mayor of Denver) won't do that.

All this interview tells us is that Marty Lenz was living under a rock for at least a decade. With the possible exxception of the all-news stations on the coasts, there hasn't been much "broadcast journalism" in radio in a very long time.
I wasn't "living under a rock," but felt under the old regime they believed in the "ball and strikes" of news coverage and felt honest conversations with leaders, stakeholders, and policymakers made for good and great radio. I worked at KFBK which one could say was even more conservative than KOA. My boss there Alan Eisenson and ND Drew Sandsor, are/were some of the best. BTW A&G were pretty damn good...
 
Marty's not wrong, and KOA is not alone. A parallel conversation was started by a listener nearly six months ago on the Sacramento board, regarding KFBK (where I was News Director and afternoon anchor).

In case you don't want to dive into a whole 'nuther thread, here's what I shared there:



Full thread here: KFBK news has given up
I do appreciate and respect Christina Mendonsa's talent and news chops. But funny thing, in the article, when the iHeart News Ops guy talked about a news program, he referenced KFBK as a style he liked. I told him I worked there, and while again I respect the people there (and this sounds like I'm tooting my own horn), what we did on KOA-CMN was leaps and bounds more substantive, engaging, and chock full of some of the best guests and experts not only locally but around the country. What we did was quite uncommon and quite damn good. When your peers in similar markets and roles continually recognize award and honor you, you know you are doing something right.
 
I wasn't "living under a rock," but felt under the old regime they believed in the "ball and strikes" of news coverage and felt honest conversations with leaders, stakeholders, and policymakers made for good and great radio. I worked at KFBK which one could say was even more conservative than KOA. My boss there Alan Eisenson and ND Drew Sandsor, are/were some of the best. BTW A&G were pretty damn good...
Hello - and I appreciate your grace in the face of my regrettably aggressive characterization.

I very much agree with your perspective, being an out-of-work radio journalist who long ago changed careers, back when Regent went bankrupt. I very much miss covering the nuts and bolts of governance. But what I've learned in the last 15 years is that very few listeners/viewers/readers want that. People seem to assume their government is buying the right number of police cruisers and keeping up maintenance on the public playgrounds and parks, and board of zoning decisions, and all the other things government does that isn't part of the culture war.

I really wish I could come up with a business model for that kind of news, but I haven't figured one out. You certainly have the experience and the contacts, so hopefully you can find a way to keep working in your chosen profession.
 
My observation is it's not just an iHeart thing, since I've seen Bonneville add conservative talk to KTAR, and Cumulus do the same with WBAP. In both cases, the 6+ numbers suffered, even though they each were FMs. At one time, both had solid morning news shows. Audacy is holding the line with all of its inherited CBS all-newsers. Although KRLD has added mid-morning conservative talk.
 
Hello - and I appreciate your grace in the face of my regrettably aggressive characterization.

I very much agree with your perspective, being an out-of-work radio journalist who long ago changed careers, back when Regent went bankrupt. I very much miss covering the nuts and bolts of governance. But what I've learned in the last 15 years is that very few listeners/viewers/readers want that. People seem to assume their government is buying the right number of police cruisers and keeping up maintenance on the public playgrounds and parks, and board of zoning decisions, and all the other things government does that isn't part of the culture war.

I really wish I could come up with a business model for that kind of news, but I haven't figured one out. You certainly have the experience and the contacts, so hopefully you can find a way to keep working in your chosen profession.


I didn't think you were being aggressive but also didn't want you to think I was naive. I worked for all the major iterations of this organization... Jacor, Clear Channel, iHeart in 2 different markets... I was fully aware of what I was getting into, but what had notably changed with each name and "rebirth" was how centralized the decision-making seemed to be becoming. Also, depending on the strength of the local leadership, they could "keep at bay" the corporate deciders and advocate for those they valued, and San Antonio would, at least 10-20 years ago, listen and allow local management to decide employee value and architecture.

One of the first things I did (besides drink some beer :)) was reach out to all the local groups about the "opportunity" to do a news program, even a rudimentary one, to at least try to maybe fill the void. Needless to say, no takers. I really appealed to Audacy, since they hold the former CBS News stations and much of the leadership (with whom I'm well connected). The outline and structure are there, and it wouldn't necessarily have to be made/created out of "whole cloth" here in Denver.

I did also appeal to CPR, and while one really cannot argue their style, widget, or success, I did say there existed an opportunity to exploit the newfound news hole, even if in podcast form. Some emails back and forth, but nothing of note. I did apply for the Host role for "Morning Edition." At the very least I thought my name recognition and, of course, my previous 8 years at KOA would really be an asset. I made it to the 2nd round after having to cut a 2-minute newscast using their content (I'm not above anything, but come on, I'm not worth at least a call and conversation?). Maybe they felt the role was more just in and out and not quite as substantive as what I did, but that's the missed opportunity to expand upon what they do, not change, but add via their other platforms (podcast, etc.), especially since someone I know on the inside said they wanted to have someone who did more local interviews...hello?! But also in reality, my age and demographics were not optically ideal, considering Mike Lamp shares my demo and is just a few years older. They maybe wanted a newer look and sound.
 
When consrvative radio no longer brings in the adverising dollars, it will go away. Radio is a business. Radio is not a politician nor an elected official.
 
Also,
When consrvative radio no longer brings in the adverising dollars, it will go away. Radio is a business. Radio is not a politician nor an elected official.

I agree, so the FCC should spare us the "public interest" nonsense, and operators shouldn't lament the shedding of audience to other platforms that do what you see terrestrial radio doing, at a much bigger $$$ clip.
 
I did also appeal to CPR, and while one really cannot argue their style, widget, or success, I did say there existed an opportunity to exploit the newfound news hole, even if in podcast form. Some emails back and forth, but nothing of note. I did apply for the Host role for "Morning Edition." At the very least I thought my name recognition and, of course, my previous 8 years at KOA would really be an asset. I made it to the 2nd round after having to cut a 2-minute newscast using their content (I'm not above anything, but come on, I'm not worth at least a call and conversation?). Maybe they felt the role was more just in and out and not quite as substantive as what I did, but that's the missed opportunity to expand upon what they do, not change, but add via their other platforms (podcast, etc.), especially since someone I know on the inside said they wanted to have someone who did more local interviews...hello?! But also in reality, my age and demographics were not optically ideal, considering Mike Lamp shares my demo and is just a few years older. They maybe wanted a newer look and sound.

While CPR does good work, especially in news and its classical-music service, my opinion is that they’re stuck in the 1980s version of public radio, still focusing on long-form pieces for a very select type of audience. Considering CPR’s resources and reach, I feel that they underperform, both in terms of ratings and in terms of financial support. They need to broaden their appeal. There are potential listeners beyond the bubbles of Wash Park and South Park Hill. It doesn’t mean that they try to appeal exclusively to the Underrepresented Group of the Day, as they often do now. Nor does it mean that they stoop to the level of present-day commercial radio, but it means they should try to be more useful to more people. If they did that, I think they would have KOA for breakfast, and maybe lunch, too. (And don’t get me started on Indie 102.3, which has some of the same problems.) To compare it to similar Bay Area operations, they should be less like KALW and more like KQED-FM.

CPR also fails to take advantage of some opportunities that are already in-house. For example, take the Denverite local-news website. It’s standalone, and not integrated with any of the other CPR services. You can’t even get to it through the CPR app on mobile devices. It has some good coverage of Denver politics and issues, but is by no means comprehensive. Much as I hate to admit it, I’m beginning to think that, assuming that 9News eventually gets chewed up by Nexstar, when I want consistent coverage of Denver politics and issues, I’m going to have to subscribe to the Post and, unfortunately, send money to the hedge funds that came close to running it into the ground.

Good luck in your endeavors…I think it will take some time to figure out where you might fit in. I suspect it wouldn’t be in radio. You did good work and I hope you get to do it again.
 
While CPR does good work, especially in news and its classical-music service, my opinion is that they’re stuck in the 1980s version of public radio, still focusing on long-form pieces for a very select type of audience. Considering CPR’s resources and reach, I feel that they underperform, both in terms of ratings and in terms of financial support. They need to broaden their appeal. There are potential listeners beyond the bubbles of Wash Park and South Park Hill. It doesn’t mean that they try to appeal exclusively to the Underrepresented Group of the Day, as they often do now. Nor does it mean that they stoop to the level of present-day commercial radio, but it means they should try to be more useful to more people. If they did that, I think they would have KOA for breakfast, and maybe lunch, too. (And don’t get me started on Indie 102.3, which has some of the same problems.) To compare it to similar Bay Area operations, they should be less like KALW and more like KQED-FM.

CPR also fails to take advantage of some opportunities that are already in-house. For example, take the Denverite local-news website. It’s standalone, and not integrated with any of the other CPR services. You can’t even get to it through the CPR app on mobile devices. It has some good coverage of Denver politics and issues, but is by no means comprehensive. Much as I hate to admit it, I’m beginning to think that, assuming that 9News eventually gets chewed up by Nexstar, when I want consistent coverage of Denver politics and issues, I’m going to have to subscribe to the Post and, unfortunately, send money to the hedge funds that came close to running it into the ground.

Good luck in your endeavors…I think it will take some time to figure out where you might fit in. I suspect it wouldn’t be in radio. You did good work and I hope you get to do it again.
Thank you for your kind words... I've had and continue to have interesting and intriguing conversations with outlets...hope to be present again come May/June
 
Even management is not immune:

iHeartMedia Begins Round of Layoffs Affecting Management, Sales Staffs...

iHeartMedia Denver General Manager Brenda Egger has exited the company. In 2021, she was named Region President for the Denver region, overseeing programming, business, and sales for 31 stations in Denver, Colorado Springs, and Fort Collins.

Brenda was my GM...

 


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